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 Cannabischarlie
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 Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. 
#9500249 - 12/26/08 11:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think Mescaline and Psilocybin are better than LSD.
Mescaline is very strong, it "fucks you up" in the way that is truly a psychedelic experience.
Psilocybin seems stronger and is more natural than LSD
I havent done LSD but everything everyone tells me is its less couch lock, has its own more social aspects, and is a different trip. Until I try it, I cant say for sure.... but Shulgin is one of my favorite eccentric geniuses. I am an eccentric genius, and I understand my limitations in the fact that I am very smart and socially stupid.
I saw something on using psychedlics on Autistics helped them out. It reorganized their brain.
Organic Chemistry yields substances with negative aspects and positive aspects.
If I drink too much its my own fault, ethanol causes problems, but no chemical structure is "the devil"
I think its great that coffee has health benefits and its not just the caffeine. I know why offices always have coffee. You may say you dont use drugs, I would have a hard time finding anyone who doesnt live better through chemistry.
Some people live worse through chemistry, but I do know one thing, when I go to a bar, I drink, I can stay at home and drink, and I do sometimes, but I like the finest gin, I cant stand wine, I like tequila, and I could always just throw some yeast in a gallon of sugar water and run a tube from the hardware store and make my booze.
I think its easier to get mescaline because I can grow a cactus (never done that just got cactus powder) that is legal, but if you make that cactus illegal like peyote, you dont really realize that some schmo who wants peyote really bad may spend years doing so, or can get mescaline by growing a different cactus.
I never did shrooms before growing them. I just knew I couldnt really find them "on the streets" even though if i tried I could. Hell, I read ten pages on the PFTEK and said "well I can go about getting everything else, sounds easier than making a bunch of friends who might help me get shrooms." Even if the spores where illegal (sounds really hard to enforce, I am sure it would make the problem worse trying to enforce that) I am sure if someone wanted to they would just go mushroom hunting, find that, and guess what...
now the spores are the commodity. The war on drugs.... doesnt work. The addicting drugs have some purpose and if abused, are abused again and again.
Psychedelics, well, probably should not drive on them. They are not addicting.
I think LSD is something that people who are more social will enjoy. I like Ibogaine, Mescaline, DMT, Psilocybin and Baeosystine. Salvia was the first thing I did and is like an Ibogaine trip times 5 in a breif perio, and I know how to make pure salvinorin, but it is very strong, such a thing takes less than a milligram on your gums and you are tripping for like 20 minutes.
LSD is measured in micrograms. Strong shit, but also doesnt give you couch lock
I think LSD and even Ecstasy (not really a visual psychedelic) have medical value. Hell, everything does.
I wonder what LSD is like, I know its a complex molecule, and I would have to know someone, and such. Plant based stuff, well thats hardcore in my mind.
Of course if I tried hard enough I could go from plant based LSA to LSD to make some LSD but I digress, what we really need is to stop demonizing "drugs."
it really is the War on SOME drugs when they tell you Meth is bad but dont tell you that you can prescribe it, while Marijuana remains schedule 1 in america.
Would you rather have one shot of heroin or 5 shouts of morphine? Would you rather take a lot of psilocyin or just a little psilcybin for the same effect?
Opiates are addicting, but they help pain victims. We wipe out opium poppies in afghanistan while not having enough to cover the pain victims by whats grown in those legal countries. I can go to walmart, buy some seeds, and those are illegal.
but no one kicks your door down for growing ornamental poppies that are technically illegal. the "crime" is cutting them open or drying them and making a tea for your opium.
Lets look at the war on drugs as what it is, its just controlling how people do shit while realizing that its just law enforcement, who are blind patriots who think "dope is bad"
fuck you, I see the truth, I see that everything is a drug, everything alters your mind, and everything has value chemically. Dont tell me marijuana is bad and then tell me meth is bad and amphetamines are bad but prescribe them to people. Then college students use them to study.
No bad drugs, just bad intentions. I intend to smoke pot, study with my mind, and maybe drink too much while not infringing on the rights of others.
I think it is a very "savage" thing to take psychedelics. I also think the noble savage knows what the fuck he is doing. Witch doctor my ass!
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#9500274 - 12/26/08 11:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cannabischarlie said:
I think Mescaline and Psilocybin are better than LSD.
Mescaline is very strong, it "fucks you up" in the way that is truly a psychedelic experience.
Psilocybin seems stronger and is more natural than LSD
I havent done LSD
End of story.
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#9500290 - 12/26/08 11:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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you should try LSD! (its pretty good)
from what ive read about mescaline, it sounds like the one I would enjoy the most... but cacti arent cheap
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: walzmanm]
#9500292 - 12/26/08 11:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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well thanks Cannabischarlie
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You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: walzmanm]
#9500296 - 12/26/08 11:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting.
Why are you saying Mescaline over LSD if you haven't tried LSD?
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: bryguy27007]
#9500309 - 12/26/08 11:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think his post was actually caused by the fact that this guy is not very smart.
If he is just a joker, its not very funny.
Sorry.
Just very dumb through and through.
I cant even read all the way through that type of bullshit.
I can admit that I didnt.
I purposely just skipped some of the lines of bullshit so I could access the situation.
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (12/26/08 11:28 PM)
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#9500387 - 12/26/08 11:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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FTW
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: mellontatauda]
#9500398 - 12/26/08 11:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: yageman]
#9500407 - 12/26/08 11:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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my favorite psychedelic 
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: mellontatauda]
#9500420 - 12/26/08 11:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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YA, i BET
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: yageman]
#9500484 - 12/27/08 12:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I Bet you dident think that someone would point out the fact that you should try a LSD before you compare it with mushrooms and mescaline...
If youve taken mescaline so you know that the psychedelic experience is infinitely complex... if you think mescaline is intence try 600mic of lsd and talk to me in 2 hours... or not..  
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#9501228 - 12/27/08 07:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Cannabischarlie said:
Psilocybin seems stronger and is more natural than LSD
I havent done LSD
Its usually considered ignorant to talk about things you have not personally experienced. I cannot speak for the cactus, but LSD is much stronger than Mushrooms if you ask me. Maybe not harder to handle, but it is much easier to fall into the rabbit hole man.
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: Rocker232]
#9501320 - 12/27/08 07:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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i've done L, lots of it.
also done mesc and mushrooms.
I'm inclined to agree with CC (except for the "natural" aspect, and organic chem comment. charlie, you're rambling)
lsd is way overrated.
you can reach a plateau on LSD (a peak dosage), and I've never seen anything that wasn't there on very high doses of LSD, but taking a few grams of panaeolus cyanescens will put you on the set of "Death to Smoochy".it's wild
and mescaline has a more aesthetic clarity, i find.
blindlemon, 600µg is a hefty acid trip but not as alien or ego shredding than the blue meanies, sorry.
Edited by piracetam (12/27/08 07:52 AM)
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: piracetam]
#9501465 - 12/27/08 08:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldn't call LSD overrated at all... I suppose everyone reacts to things differantly, but in my oppinion LSD and mushrooms are pretty much at an equal level. They both have the potential to do some crazy things...
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: piracetam]
#9501477 - 12/27/08 08:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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so these drugs are variable:
your body chemistry
your mind state
your environment
the dosage
and the drug
these things will all change the effects. individual results will vary.
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: Subconscious]
#9501502 - 12/27/08 09:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The OP is quite a ramble. I wasn't sure what to make of it.
Does it actually have a point or is it just a load of mumbo jumbo? 
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: piracetam]
#9501539 - 12/27/08 09:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your topic is full of fail. The effects of Mescaline, Psilocybin, and LSD are more similar than they are different. Dosage and duration are the primary differences. Experiences with each substance will be different based on surroundings, mindset, and general health. Natural sources of Mescaline and Psilocybin are only different and "better" in the sense that you are taking a more complex chemical cocktail than just pure LSD. Most people are preprogrammed to believe that natural is better, so that does have the benefit of making them feel all warm and fuzzy, which can result in a positive mindset that is beneficial to tripping.
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: alteredx]
#9502142 - 12/27/08 12:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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alteredx said:
Your topic is full of fail. The effects of Mescaline, Psilocybin, and LSD are more similar than they are different. Dosage and duration are the primary differences. Experiences with each substance will be different based on surroundings, mindset, and general health. Natural sources of Mescaline and Psilocybin are only different and "better" in the sense that you are taking a more complex chemical cocktail than just pure LSD. Most people are preprogrammed to believe that natural is better, so that does have the benefit of making them feel all warm and fuzzy, which can result in a positive mindset that is beneficial to tripping.
They are all so similar and while I find mushrooms to be gigglier with friends, it could just as well be the setting. Each has it's own footprint with LSD feeling the cleanest from the blotter I've taken. As it stands now, I'd rather take the substance with a duration fitting the time I'd like to be tripping.
What do people who have taken 4-AcO-DMT think about mushrooms and that drug?
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#9502177 - 12/27/08 12:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Cannabischarlie said:
I havent done LSD
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Re: Mescaline>than LSD but also very different. [Re: walzmanm]
#9502199 - 12/27/08 12:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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walzmanm said:
Quote:
Cannabischarlie said:
I think Mescaline and Psilocybin are better than LSD.
Mescaline is very strong, it "fucks you up" in the way that is truly a psychedelic experience.
Psilocybin seems stronger and is more natural than LSD
I havent done LSD
End of story.
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