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 cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network 
#9492610 - 12/25/08 09:33 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello
This is a growing kit bought from Amsterdam, first flush went well, this is after second soaking.
During the first flush there was no such "cobweb" looking mold on the surface even though there were areas of pure white more dense material which proved to be Myc. However during this second flush prep what worries me is the white stuff there. On the pictures you can probably see the whole network and the macro reveals little dots in it.
I ask any experienced grower who is familiar with this specific appearance to respond what it is actually? Thanks!
You can also see the strand of threads of what this is made of, as well as the way it is spreaded over the surface. Please advise!
Edited by cyberpilot (12/25/08 09:34 AM)
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: cyberpilot]
#9492617 - 12/25/08 09:36 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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by the way the other stuff there is rice in case you wonder.
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: cyberpilot]
#9492983 - 12/25/08 12:44 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spray it down until soaking wet with 3% hydrogen peroxide. It should melt an disappear on contact. Repeat twice after that at 12 hour intervals. Next time you'll recognize the mold, so you can treat it sooner.
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9493284 - 12/25/08 02:35 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks RR,
I will try that.
Surprisingly: cigar, alcohol and souvenir shops are open until late on Christmas, while Pharmacies are closed. "Cosmic giggle" here.
By "spray" do you mean a fine spraying with vaporizer or a regular splashing with few needle holes in the cap of a bottle?
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: cyberpilot]
#9500482 - 12/27/08 03:14 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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News update:
I've treated the cobweb with 3% hydrogen peroxide by splashing the visible cobweb coverage until it lays down wet on the ground, every 12 hours solidly. Still however the thing is persistent and keeps coming back up. I've decided to take the risk and scraped the cobweb off the surface along with a thin of the upper layer ground as drastic measure. Still whoever there's cobweb on the walls which I cannot reach.
Two fat mushrooms already have picked up and reached about an inch. I wonder if I can keep on splashing hydrogen peroxide and harvest what shrooms are salvageable if looking healthy.
Rabbit Roger, please advise. TIA.
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: cyberpilot]
#9504376 - 12/27/08 11:22 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks kinda like a pin mold...
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: DarkCubensis]
#9504503 - 12/27/08 11:52 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Get rid of it...ALL.....this should go far.... far away from the grow
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: cyberpilot]
#9511050 - 12/29/08 05:47 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi everyone.
As a recap of all, it appears the little dots in the mesh were what usually gives the grey color to the cobweb which otherwise has white threads.
I've been treating the mold with 3% peroxide for more than 5 times already, an 12h intervals. In the meanwhile few mushrooms already grew out of the compound. I harvested the biggest two of them today (along with two smaller which were stuck as family and got off too).
The product looks healthy, but I'm still cautious of eating the shrooms. Do the shrooms look healthy to an experienced grower?
The second flush however is HUGE, the biggest young mushroom in the second flush is three times bigger than a matured specimen from the first. Is this something to do with the peroxide treatment/
Edited by cyberpilot (12/29/08 06:05 AM)
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: cyberpilot]
#9511768 - 12/29/08 01:12 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's fine. Mold on a substrate does not cause the mushrooms that grow to be toxic.
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: cyberpilot]
#9513919 - 12/29/08 08:42 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
cyberpilot said:
Hello
This is a growing kit bought from Amsterdam, first flush went well, this is after second soaking.
During the first flush there was no such "cobweb" looking mold on the surface even though there were areas of pure white more dense material which proved to be Myc. However during this second flush prep what worries me is the white stuff there. On the pictures you can probably see the whole network and the macro reveals little dots in it.
I ask any experienced grower who is familiar with this specific appearance to respond what it is actually? Thanks!
You can also see the strand of threads of what this is made of, as well as the way it is spreaded over the surface. Please advise!
the shrooms grew from this? I have a hard time believing this
edit: also.... if the shrooms grew from this i wouldn't eat them ....and would have tossed all of it.
Edited by preschooler (12/29/08 08:50 PM)
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: preschooler]
#9515721 - 12/30/08 01:59 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm surprised it fruited too. However, mushrooms don't transmit molds into the fruits from the substrate. Mushroom mycelium doesn't have a vascular system the way plants and animals have. The cake needs to be tossed out, but the mushrooms are fine. Don't try for another flush.
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9523080 - 12/31/08 12:44 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Taken From wiki.... sure looks like a vascular system to me
Mycelial cords are linear aggregations of parallel-oriented hyphae. The mature cords are composed of wide, empty vessel hyphae surrounded by narrower sheathing hyphae. Cords may look similar to plant roots, and also frequently have similar functions; hence they are also called rhizomorphs (literally, "root-forms").
Mycelial cords are capable of conducting nutrients over long distances. For instance, they can transfer nutrients to a developing fruiting body, or enable wood-rotting fungi to grow through soil from an established food base in search of new food sources. For parasitic fungi, they can help spread infection by growing from established clusters to uninfected parts. The cords of some wood-rotting fungi (like Serpula lacrymans) may be capable of penetrating masonry.
The mechanism of the cord formation is not yet precisely understood. Mathematical models suggest that some fields or gradients of signalling chemicals, parallel to the cord axis, may be involved
conclusion: what if attached to those nutrients where parts of cobweb or pin mold.
Do I think the guy would be hurt from eating these shrooms?... probably not
Just don't think you should risk it though. Not worth possibly getting sick when you can see an obvious contamination
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 Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: cyberpilot]
#9531096 - 01/02/09 09:41 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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"This" the way you saw it on the first pictures is not what the mushrooms grew from. After applying the peroxide water "this" was reduced to almost "nothing".
When the mushrooms grew there were traces of the mold here and there in small quantities which I kept on treating.
I made tea from the 2 mushrooms and shared the tea with a friend. We had a strong level-2 trip. Even though you might hallucinate cobweb mold with your eyes closed, which I did, I don't think I got hurt in any way. Still it was my choice and I counseled with myself asking the question deep within and awaiting answer from the shrooms before eating it. The answer was that everyone has minor health issues but their essence remains, the mushrooms weren't affected so they were fine. Discrimination based om prejudice ended a lot of messanegrs in the trash.
So, in conclusion, if you treat "this" amount of mold on a substrate with peroxide water 3%, you can still harvest adult grown shrooms and trip.
About tossing the box afterward without trying another flush, I don't know. I'll squeeze a bit more and see if something comes out, if not - I'll throw it.
Thanks to everyone who responded and to RoggerRabbit for the competent advice on which I based my counseling with the shrooms!
Edited by cyberpilot (01/02/09 09:52 AM)
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: cyberpilot]
#9590092 - 01/11/09 05:40 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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The kit keeps on giving healthy flushes which transmit well.
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: cyberpilot]
#9590625 - 01/11/09 07:24 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Taken From wiki.... sure looks like a vascular system to me
Mycelium doesn't have a vascular system, no matter what you read on wiki. Moisture is conducted from cell to cell. Rhizomorphs are not roots.
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conclusion: what if attached to those nutrients where parts of cobweb or pin mold.
That's a different species of fungus. The conidial mold will not be transferred through the mycelium network of fungi perfecti.
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9591037 - 01/11/09 08:47 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cell to cell but the mycelium cords are the roadways? Is this true?
I may have a hard time understanding. But the mycelium is how it extracts nutrients from the substrate. Feeding the fruit bodys also.
Also.... is h202 used for cobweb mold in edible mushrooms?
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: preschooler]
#9592383 - 01/12/09 01:02 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, peroxide is used for cobweb control in commercial mushroom farms, but they rarely encounter it due to knowing how to provide proper fresh air exchange and pasteurization.
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9615895 - 01/15/09 07:01 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats a zygo man, you gotta get that as far away from the grow as possible, it will easily outcompete whatever yu are actually trying to grow, if it gets a network even one pin can destroy everything. good luck
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Re: cobweb or mold - has little dots on the network [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10575542 - 06/26/09 09:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mycelium doesn't have a vascular system, no matter what you read on wiki. Moisture is conducted from cell to cell. Rhizomorphs are not roots.
I'm trying to reason this out here... If nutrients aren't transported from one place to another, then given that a mushroom is 90% moisture once harvested (because it dries to a 10th of it's weight), wouldn't that mean that the huge mass you see before you already had the nutrients in it? Last time I checked pins grew from a very small size to the final size at harvest time, and those chemicals had to come from somewhere in order to account for all of that mass.
So then are you saying that the transport mechanism being used for this, since it is not vascular and is done "cell to cell", would that mean that a cell has a very interesting membrane and internal structure to it that allows for specific transport of both nutrients and water (and thus the main reason why having high humidity is important because the cell has a limitation in transportability of water when it is too dry to be retained, and perhaps regardless of that trait supplementation of saturation of atmospheric humidity is actually beneficial?). I would also imagine that nutes would be transported in water-soluable form through this cell-to-cell process as well?
This is the only thing I can guess which would work.... but then what the hell are rizomorphs for then? Just to jump across air gaps in the soil so that the cells can maintain a stronger and heartier cell-to-cell network (and also increase surface area which can absorb oxygen this way?).
Just curious.... because I can't really see any benefit to the structure otherwise (but I just got done a 12 hour shift and I'm stoned as fuck so maybe i'm overlooking something here).
I guess this would make sense, afterall inside animals and plants there aren't veins going to every single individual cell (and thus things work by osmosis between cells, spilling lsd on your hand is a good example of that), and technically it isn't really necessary for a mushroom, it doesn't have to move things very far and mushrooms don't move around or need to expend energy on much else other than eating, growing and reproducing. I thought the same thing too so it is interesting that you should point out the cell-to-cell transport....
Edited by xtofury (06/26/09 09:55 AM)
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