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 Anuta
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 Fruiting Cordyceps militaris 
#9379892 - 12/06/08 02:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dear friends,
Today, after months of preparation and discussing with DEFRA, I received two slants, each containing a precious square centimeter of strong, rhizomorphic cordyceps militaris mycelium. I am not terribly interested in growing its mycelium only, my ultimate goal is full fruiting bodies of this bizarre and fascinating species. Along the way Im bound to need some help from all you seasoned pros out there (even though Ive been cultivating mushrooms for 7 years myself). I hope this thread will prove interesting and I hope lots of people will pitch in with there ideas and critique of my techniques. Some pictures of my cultures will follow shortly.
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Anuta]
#9379923 - 12/06/08 02:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: just me]
#9380141 - 12/06/08 03:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Anuta]
#9380169 - 12/06/08 03:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright, actually, maybe I should make it clear that I agree there is a very, very good chance that I will never see fruits from this experiment. However, this species (and it is worth making it clear that I am talking about militaris here, not sinensis) is being fruited, indeed apparently fruits readily, on inoculated silk worms by growers in Korea.
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Anuta]
#9380840 - 12/06/08 05:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you raising silkworms? Or some other kind of caterpillar or insect? It seems to me that in order to do this, you have to be adept at raising mushrooms AND insects. It can't be too difficult to grow bugs, can it? Insects are supposed to be a cheap, excellent source of protein - I've always had an intellectual interest in growing bugs as food, though I can't actually get past the squeamishness of actually eating them myself...
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: frankenstoen]
#9381154 - 12/06/08 06:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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kudos on this project. i would really like to see any pics of your progress along the way. i think cordyceps so cool. good luck.
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: beaudesotva]
#9381225 - 12/06/08 06:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just read that militaris grows off of pupas of some moths and butterflies. So that means to get it to fruit you would need to inoculate some pupas right? I have friends that buy silk worms for their geckos at the pet store... perhaps you could inoculate them with an LC and a really small needle? I hope everything goes well.
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Anuta]
#9383562 - 12/07/08 03:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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fruiting it has been my project too, but it's not easy.
I'm starting think that some strains just don't fruit.. 
Speeker's Journal: Cordyceps militaris on rice
I've made a thread for Chinese Cordyceps videos at the FreeSporePrints.org,
but it's down at the moment.. there is also a Korean video about
cultivation of Paecilomyces japonica/tenuipes on silkworm pupae..
edit:
FreeSporePrints: Cordyceps videos from the East - thread (Google cached):
http://tinyurl.com/cordyceps-videos
Edited by Speeker (12/07/08 04:47 AM)
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Speeker]
#9383616 - 12/07/08 04:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not going to be raising my own silkworms, though if I was it would probably be the easiest part of this project (from what I've read). I've found militaris growing wild on numerous different moth and butterfly species larvae, and also from what I've read I think any caterpillar will do. So I'm going to start with wax moth larvae as they are cheap and easy to obtain over here. Speeker - what methods have you tried so far other than on rice? I'm going to try, in roughly this order - alive wax moth larvae (henceforth WML) introduced to colonised grain, Dead WML introduced to colonised grain, Live WML injected with liquid culture, grain enriched with sterilised WML 'smoothie':). Then I will try to fruit in plastic bins regulated to the right temp and humidity, and also next year I will try to fruit outdoors (I have found militaris growing wild just a few miles from my house)
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Anuta]
#9383763 - 12/07/08 05:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If C. militaris will grow on tobacco hornworms or cabbage worms, you can find those for free in any suburban vegetable garden. Maybe this is a dumb question, but aren't the cordyceps supplements sold by FP and other vendors made from freeze dried cordyceps mycelium?
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Paresthesia]
#9384413 - 12/07/08 10:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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From Fungi Pefecti:
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Freeze-Dried Cordyceps Capsules
Cordyceps sinensis, known in China as Dong Chong Xia Cao ("Summer Grass, Winter Worm") and in the West as Cordyceps or The Caterpillar Fungus, has long been used in Traditional Chinese Medicine for the promotion of cardiovascular, sexual and immune system health and as a general energizing tonic*. Each capsule contains 615 mg of freeze-dried Cordyceps mycelium. Available in bottles of 60 and 120 capsules.
I guess they are selling sinensis, rather than militaris, if that makes any difference, but yeah, just the mycelium.
That shit is wild, any time I take it I feel like I'm on adderall or something.
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Cascadian]
#9385262 - 12/07/08 01:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Cascadian said:
That shit is wild, any time I take it I feel like I'm on adderall or something.
Yes, but does it make you want to climb trees?
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Paresthesia]
#9385288 - 12/07/08 01:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Haha, I assume you're referring to the way insects act when they're infected. I've often compared cubensis' effect on humans with cordyceps' effect on insects. Get exposed to them enough, and before you know it you're growing them in your basement and spreading them to everyone who'll take them... Talk about mind control. I bet infected ants are frying BALLS thinking 'man all my friends have GOT to try this! I'm so enlightened!'
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Cascadian]
#9392079 - 12/08/08 12:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Around september time I do get plenty of cabbage white caterpillars in my garden, but they ooze a nasty stinky greenish substance when you pick them up, so I wouldn't like to have to ingest them later.
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Anuta]
#9392097 - 12/08/08 12:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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isn't anyone worried that after repeated consumption of this mushroom that a particular strain will adapt and colinize our intestines and fruit out of our extremities after we zombie walk to the local town dump of course?
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: makaveli8x8]
#9392405 - 12/08/08 01:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who said anything about consuming it?
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: denger]
#9392420 - 12/08/08 01:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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isn't that the whole point of why most try growing it, for the medical benifits?
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: makaveli8x8]
#9516681 - 12/30/08 05:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry I abandioned this thread for a while, got tied up with christmas and all that. I've grown out to petris of MEA with my cordyceps culture, prepared and inoculated backup MEA slants (with coffee stirrers sterilised in them - RR if you read this can you tell me if I've done this right?) , and inoculated some rye. And I've got some wax worms coming in a week or so.
My home-made glove-box 
One of my petris
One of my freshly inoculated slants - sorry about the quality of pic, you can see the coffe stirrer and agar wedge on the right
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: Anuta]
#9516982 - 12/30/08 08:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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this is crazy pretty soon people are going to have fc's full of catapillers and butterflys fruiting
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Re: Fruiting Cordyceps militaris [Re: makaveli8x8]
#9517201 - 12/30/08 09:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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okay i might just be stoned because i cant find the video now. but i remember watching a clip with i Paul stamets in it that was discussing using self sporeilating Cordyceps mycelium as a form of pest control. they said the workers would bring it back to the queen and it would be over. anyone have a link ?
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