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OneMoreRobot3021
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Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD]
#9180035 - 11/03/08 08:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sunday, November 2nd, 2008
LSD had been consumed earlier in the evening - I was three hours from baseline. If I kept my eyes still, the world morphed uncontrollably. If I allowed them to wander the landscape of my room, everything fluttered and left a trail of shadows behind it. The world was like a book whose pages were being fanned. The membrane between my ego and reality was loose - as good a time as any to smoke DMT.
Cueing a 37 minute long Indian duet between L. Subramanian on the Indian violin and Ali Akbar Khan on the sarod (with a tabla drummer buoying their battling strings), I loaded an unknown but generous amount of DMT into my pipe. I moved my most comfortable chair to the center of my rug, and aligned it so that it faced the tapestry mounted on my wall. This tapestry was woven by members of the Shipibo tribe, a tribe for whom DMT plays an important role in the shamans' brew of ayahuasca.
For some time I just breathed. There is no room for fear in the DMT experience, I am learning. I listened to the sounds of the Indian music wash over me...something in the way the notes bent and wavered seemed to speak to a truth about the vibratory nature of all things, the energy washing and undulating through everything. I let my breaths grow deeper, my lungs preparing to hold the sacred vapor for as long as they could.
It's getting easier to smoke DMT. The anxiety is becoming fleeting. I began lighting the underside of the oilburner pipe with no hesitation - it was what it was. One hit, then another...all in all five deep tokes taken of the hot, plastic-tasting white vapor, each hit held in so long that I seemed to exhale nothing at all. I put the pipe down as it all washed over me...
With the classic psychedelics psilocybin and DMT, there is a cognizance, for me at least, of the membrane between my ego and reality. I would call that membrane "experience." The experience is something I am aware of - it is the border between myself and the All, and I understand how each is bleeding into the other. I understand, after this recent experience, what it is that makes DMT so entirely something else. I am tempted to say DMT is invasive, and yet the connotation of that word is more sinister than the feeling I wish to convey. Perhaps DMT is not invasive so much as it is pervasive. Psilocybin, LSD, these drugs can be immersive, and enveloping. You can feel as if you are swimming in their experiences, or that the experience is swimming inside your mind. But there is the outer world and the inner.
DMT came crashing down upon me on this night. I breathed deeply as the world began to morph before my eyes, melting and oozing. It oozed into me. Looking back upon the trip I have written about much, the DMT experience where I thought I was bleeding my soul out into the world, I understand now that the liquidity of the experience was actually the DMT reality pouring INTO me and not out.
As I sat in my chair the other night, watching the Shipibo tapestry, multiverses unfolded before my eyes and I decided I was ready to close them and see what worlds my mind would lead me to with the aid of the DMT. Intricately fractal and repeating patterns washed over me. I moaned out loud, I am sure of it - I sighed with both pleasure and awe and a sense of being utterly overwhelmed by the grandiosity of existence, its perfection, the perfect order in the chaos. I traveled through many colors until finally the colors became purple and green, favorites of mine.
My eyes still closed, I lifted up my arms. I wanted to be held by the liquid crystalline tapestries pouring over me. To say I "saw" these tapestries with my eyes closed is simply inadequate...they poured over me and into me. As I breathed, I felt these patterns filling my lungs and running through my veins. I lifted my arms, moving my hands to what I now realized in the distance was the Indian music duet. It was then that Shiva appeared to me, the Hindu goddess, but not in any familiar form to me from Hindu art that I had seen in my lifetime. It is extremely difficult to explain - she was a monstrous machine, somewhat insectoid in that she seemed to be spawning all the reality around her, but she was beautiful. Purple and green latticed, she danced, her hips swaying most seductively. There was an unspoken conversation between us. She urged me to join her. I watched her dance and I moaned at the beauty of it, of this expression of the godhead showing me what seemed a precious secret, and I rose up out of my chair opening my eyes.
The smile on my face could have devoured the world - it was epic. Joy coursed through my veins and I became finely attuned to the music playing. I listened to the twang, the sounds of this foreign holy music, and I moved, moved in a way that was not for fun but for joy. I danced, and it was a celebration. Shiva had shown herself to me and I felt I owed her a tribute. The song was a 37-minute long duet and this was perhaps 7 minutes into it. For the remaining half hour, parched for water but denying it to myself in the spirit of asceticism, I danced across the rug in my room, the scent of incense wafting all around me. I danced with unseen things, women, entities. I danced with myself. I felt aware of myself as Human Being in a way I rarely have experienced. An individual being, a spiritual being, a sexual being, a social being, a Being of infinite expressions. My every movement, my every moment, is a tiny step on the journey deeper into myself.
My experience with psychedelics has been a journey into myself. It's been a long, strange trip, no pun intended. They have meant a lot to me - they have shown me that there is much more to reality than the tangibles that science discusses. They've shown me the Mystery, and I'm convinced it exists. But I must say, it was DMT, and continues to be DMT, that gives me a feeling of being religious. Not religious for God, or for any sort of dogma, but simply being religious about being alive. Joy. Amen.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.
-Erik Davis
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#9180133 - 11/03/08 08:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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wow great report, that was written so well
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#9182384 - 11/04/08 11:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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first off, now i know why you love lsd so much, the purples and the greens 
okay, but seriously now. that sounds incredible, and you really do such a great job at conveying the experience. all the hair on my arms and legs started standing up with joy for you towards the middle of the 7th paragraph. you have been given a glimpse of all that is out there.
some entities are kind, gentle, and loving as the one you encountered (did you actually "see" or just feel its presence?), while others are not so much. this is not to scare you, as i know you've read an array of reports, just to keep you on your toes. many entities will seem to be kind and loving only to trap you and then turn on you. it's amazing how we, as HUMAN BEINGS, are no different than all of these things we encounter, while still remaining separate
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There was an unspoken conversation between us. She urged me to join her. I watched her dance and I moaned at the beauty of it, of this expression of the godhead showing me what seemed a precious secret,
what can you recall from the internal/external dialogue (both speech and movement?). i often fail at this with a close friend of mine who happens to be able to produce some of the most beautiful sounds i've ever heard, but all of us are gods and we are not. just remember that this entity was nothing more than you are and nothing less. we are all gods in our own right/way. don't build this entity up to anything higher than you yourself are.
this was no tiny step, my friend. you have finally taken the very large step i had been hoping, and somewhat urging you to take. i'm estatic that it seems like a small step to you. there is so much more ahead of you, and i can only wait to read about it (and hopefully soon experience some of it with you, summer maybe? lol)

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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: demius]
#9182474 - 11/04/08 11:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Brilliant report. That is fascinating. It sounds wonderful.
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: bryguy27007]
#9182725 - 11/04/08 12:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That was an absolutely terrific write up. Would you say that your experiences have entirely CEMENTED your knowledge of us being much more than a "physical" body, and / or perhaps hightened your sense of us surviving "physical" demise?
I love these types of reports.
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: demius]
#9189030 - 11/05/08 12:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for all kind comments on the quality of the writing of the report; that's very important to me.
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demius said:
some entities are kind, gentle, and loving as the one you encountered (did you actually "see" or just feel its presence?), while others are not so much. this is not to scare you, as i know you've read an array of reports, just to keep you on your toes. many entities will seem to be kind and loving only to trap you and then turn on you. it's amazing how we, as HUMAN BEINGS, are no different than all of these things we encounter, while still remaining separate
I saw it, I felt it, and looked into its eyes, which were just another sequence in the pattern. It very much reminded me of the first time I smoked DMT, where I was floating through a sky towards a humongous neon lattice, and forms seemed to be stepping through the lattice towards me, with the lattice draping over them. Imagine someone walking from behind a curtain against the curtain and the curtain drapes against all their features.
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demius said: what can you recall from the internal/external dialogue (both speech and movement?). i often fail at this with a close friend of mine who happens to be able to produce some of the most beautiful sounds i've ever heard, but all of us are gods and we are not. just remember that this entity was nothing more than you are and nothing less. we are all gods in our own right/way. don't build this entity up to anything higher than you yourself are.
The day after this experience I listened to one of my favorite McKenna lectures, Global Perspectives and Psychedelic Poetics and noticed him say that the best trips are the ones that leave you hungry to learn and to read about all sorts of things you wouldn't have gone out of your way to read either. I'm very interested in reading about the Shiva figure now, its symbolism and import in Hindu mythology, what it represents.
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demius said: this was no tiny step, my friend. you have finally taken the very large step i had been hoping, and somewhat urging you to take. i'm estatic that it seems like a small step to you. there is so much more ahead of you, and i can only wait to read about it (and hopefully soon experience some of it with you, summer maybe? lol)

I'm glad to finally go this deep into the DMT experience...I don't know, it's strange. In just one night I felt like my relationship with it greatly matured. I have a great respect for it now.
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EthericOctopuss said: That was an absolutely terrific write up. Would you say that your experiences have entirely CEMENTED your knowledge of us being much more than a "physical" body, and / or perhaps hightened your sense of us surviving "physical" demise?
I love these types of reports.
I don't know how much more cementing it needs...I suppose it's a bit like enlightenment - you attain it, but it doesn't persist, you know? You never BECOME enlightened. Much in the same respect, I have had many experiences in which I've glimpsed the Mystery, and become certain of its existence behind the facade of all else. This experience certainly ramped up the certainty I felt about it.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.
-Erik Davis
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#9190620 - 11/05/08 05:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Great Report!
I've been smoking a bit lately and having the impression that Native American priests are performing a healing session with me. A symbiotic flux of being re-arranged, and interacting with sunlight, eventually becoming more in tune with my emotions than what I generally exerience or allow my self to experience.
Ever try smoking in the day with windows open? Sitting next to a stream seems to have a profound affect.
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: namaste]
#9190671 - 11/05/08 05:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have smoked during the day before, and actually after coming down from the major peak of the experience gone outside and wandered somewhat dreamily down the street...in that experience, sunlight was profoundly heartwarming. I definitely plan on giving it ago next to my window sometime on your suggestion, I have a perfect window for it where my most comfortable chair sits.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.
-Erik Davis
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: namaste]
#9190731 - 11/05/08 05:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm also now EXTREMELY interested in exploring pharmahuasca.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.
-Erik Davis
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: namaste]
#9191306 - 11/05/08 07:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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namaste said: Great Report!
I've been smoking a bit lately and having the impression that Native American priests are performing a healing session with me. A symbiotic flux of being re-arranged, and interacting with sunlight, eventually becoming more in tune with my emotions than what I generally exerience or allow my self to experience.
Ever try smoking in the day with windows open? Sitting next to a stream seems to have a profound affect.
from october 07 up until april of this year, i could be in any sort of mood other than positive, and stepping out into sunlight, letting it filter through my skin, and letting it warm me, and would very quickly feel so calm and at peace with everything
i firmly believe that extended use/abuse of lsd and dmt during this period allowed for this to happen. as well, i could easily slip into the visual patternings of either chemical just from feeling the warmth of the sunlight. i'd also get the stupid grin and funny walk associated with lsd, not to mention my pupils would grow big as saucers (when i checked them in the mirror after getting in the house)
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#9192349 - 11/05/08 10:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: gone outside and wandered somewhat dreamily down the street...
I could just picture you blissed up and bouncing along 
I think 110-150mg swallowed in a gel-cap or tissue about 45 min. after ingesting 3-4 gm finely ground Rue on a day of fasting or just herbal teas is a good place to start. And you'll definately want to have a comfy chair.
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#9241299 - 11/13/08 09:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
My eyes still closed, I lifted up my arms. I wanted to be held by the liquid crystalline tapestries pouring over me. To say I "saw" these tapestries with my eyes closed is simply inadequate...they poured over me and into me. As I breathed, I felt these patterns filling my lungs and running through my veins. I lifted my arms, moving my hands to what I now realized in the distance was the Indian music duet. It was then that Shiva appeared to me, the Hindu goddess, but not in any familiar form to me from Hindu art that I had seen in my lifetime. It is extremely difficult to explain - she was a monstrous machine, somewhat insectoid in that she seemed to be spawning all the reality around her, but she was beautiful. Purple and green latticed, she danced, her hips swaying most seductively. There was an unspoken conversation between us. She urged me to join her. I watched her dance and I moaned at the beauty of it, of this expression of the godhead showing me what seemed a precious secret, and I rose up out of my chair opening my eyes.
The smile on my face could have devoured the world - it was epic. Joy coursed through my veins and I became finely attuned to the music playing. I listened to the twang, the sounds of this foreign holy music, and I moved, moved in a way that was not for fun but for joy. I danced, and it was a celebration. Shiva had shown herself to me and I felt I owed her a tribute. The song was a 37-minute long duet and this was perhaps 7 minutes into it. For the remaining half hour, parched for water but denying it to myself in the spirit of asceticism, I danced across the rug in my room, the scent of incense wafting all around me. I danced with unseen things, women, entities. I danced with myself. I felt aware of myself as Human Being in a way I rarely have experienced. An individual being, a spiritual being, a sexual being, a social being, a Being of infinite expressions. My every movement, my every moment, is a tiny step on the journey deeper into myself.
Excellent report and excellent job making this leap. 
I'm fascinated by this avatar you encountered. Clearly it had some recognizable characteristics for you to name it shiva. My gut instinct is to inform you that it couldn't be shiva, as shiva the destroyer is distinctively male, with blue skin, and his role in the Hindu trinity is that of the destroyer, whereas your visitor was female and in the process of creation. But this would be dogmatic and silly of me. First of all it would try and detract from the beauty of your mind's creative vision. secondly my favorite hindu thinkers point out that the various avatars of Atman (the universe, the self, the universal self) are merely temporary manifestations of what is eternal. They come into being and then they go back into the eternal non-being, therefore shiva as the key to the return to non-being is a constant force of change. Why should he not turn purple and green and decide to dance with you?
Just some ideas for you to dance with as you dance with the Hindu deities. They were illustrated to be worshipped that way...with fascination, wonder and playfullness. Part of the reason they are such compelling Gods, in my opinion. They are not static at all.
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: gluke bastid]
#9244511 - 11/14/08 01:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive seen the same thing except that it was in the elephant form which is one of the reincarnations of shiva...it was a cev from 6g of mushies grown outside.
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#9246479 - 11/14/08 08:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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i liked your report very much. by writing this way I think it shows that a person can have a personal quest and integrate it meaningfully into their lives.
a student or working person can infuse normal things with extra vigor, interest, poetry, and life. this is much different than the official understanding of people using tryptamines etc.
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: redgreenvines]
#9270470 - 11/19/08 12:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is no room for fear.. I admire your courage. Awesome write up:D
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Re: Shiva the Ultravisitor [DMT whilst on LSD] [Re: mrspirit2]
#9379525 - 12/06/08 01:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice report dude, sounded like a great trip
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