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 theidiotnoob
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 yet another stupid Rye question.... 
#9214385 - 11/09/08 10:41 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Although many of you on shroomery already think im an idiot (hence the screen name), I have another question that I am hoping to get answered. I know I kind of went crazy on my last post, I apologize. I was mainly frustrated and fed up. For those of you that read my last post and give a crap, the ass from themushroompatch did send me my money back and I have had no repercussions. Although he did send the 5 strains I ordered, I could get only one to actually grow in a PF tek. Anyway, my question concerns Rye. I had very little luck when it came to PF. No contamination at all, just very slow growth. It has taken almost two months for the 7 jars to completely fill with mycelium. i decided to try the grain because of the time difference. The first batch of 6 qt. jars started beautifully. I had nice mycelium throughout for about a week. They were stored at exactly 68 degrees. I shook them twice. Then all of a sudden, it seems that the growth just stopped and that was that. No contamination, just no growth at all, so I started over. I now have 10 more started with nice fluffy growth after a few days and I am concerned that I will have the same problem. All are stored at a constant 68 degrees. As I cannot seem to find filter disks, I am wondering if surgical tape will do the trick??? Im thinking I starved the last jars of oxygen. comments?? Here are a few pics of how some of them look after 4 or so days. Only one has nice fluffy growth. The rest seem to have growth, but the growth seems like a hard white which makes the rye kernels stick together. That is what happened the first time and Im beginning to get worried. ANY SUGGESTIONS??? Is this what is supposed to happen? Is there any way to save them if this is bad? I basically put 1cup rye in qt jar with appropriate combination or chalk and gypsum and 2/3 cup of water and PCd for 90mins.(all according to The Mushroom Cultivator Book) Is this the problem? Cuz I have found that alot of people soak their grain or boil it. Is this a better way? The rye was started with the PFtek jars that just wouldnt finish. I dumped the jars and removed the mycelium and transferred it to the rye. All done in front of flowhood and seem to take right off at first like stated above. Is this the problem? I know I have alot of questions, but I could use the help as my patients is wearing thin. I have searched earlier posts but cannot find the exact answer for any of these questions. The pics are kinda hard to see, but its the best I could get. None of the grain seems too wet or too dry to me. No kernels are burst and when shaken, they break up nicely, but have to shake super hard to break up the "joined" kernels. I have followed the directions in the above named book to a "T", but apparently I cannot read or i really am an idiot and should just stop b4 i go insane. Maybe the original spores I used were just bad? top pic shows the "hard" mycelium which makes the kernels stick together. middle pic and bottom pic show mycelium transplanted into jars after 4 or so days or growth. comments?? suggestions??
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grod31
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 Re: yet another stupid Rye question.... [Re: theidiotnoob]
#9214662 - 11/09/08 11:30 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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you wrote way to much and i couldn't even read it all. but 68 is low try 75. and also there is no need to shake, and you said you shook twice already.other then that hey look fine. raise the temp and leave them alone.
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 arp180
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Re: yet another stupid Rye question.... [Re: grod31]
#9214724 - 11/09/08 11:42 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you are going to shake, do it once at about 25% colonization and the jar should take off after that. You say it has only been 4 days, here is a word of advice, chill the **** out. If you don't have patience, you might as well just find a new hobby. Or like me, just have alot of projects going on at one time to keep you busy. I am a noob as well and have already learned that inpatient = disaster. Let your mycelium do what it does. If you followed the tek to a 'T' like you say you did, then you have nothing to worry about. Your jars will colonize fine without shaking and excessive shaking, which it sounds like you did will most def stall them(this is what happened to me)
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BrainChemistry
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Re: yet another stupid Rye question.... [Re: grod31]
#9214740 - 11/09/08 11:45 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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4 days? You have nothing to worry about. Your jars are showing way more growth than mine did after 4 days.
For colonizing jars, just the inoculation hole is good enough for gas exchange. You can use tyvek as a filter, micropore tape, polyfill, I even did jars with bandaids and alcohol swabs as my filter and it worked fine.
Did you through your rye straight into the jars and PC? The reason why people let it soak for 24 hours is that it germinates the bacteria endo-spores, so that way when you put the jars into the PC they can be killed. If you skip this step, you greatly increase your chances of your jars getting contaminated.
68 is too cold for fast colonization. I'm really surprised you have that much colonization already at such a low temperature. Try to get it above 70, if you can reach 80 it should colonize really fast. Find a space heater and put it in a closet with your jars.
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Re: yet another stupid Rye question.... [Re: arp180]
#9214751 - 11/09/08 11:46 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
If you don't have patience, you might as well just find a new hobby.
Damn good advice right there.
You can't rush life my friend.
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theidiotnoob
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Re: yet another stupid Rye question.... [Re: BrainChemistry]
#9216492 - 11/10/08 08:03 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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thank you for the advice guys. Im not impatient at all. I just noticed the same thing going on as before and I started to get worried thats all. I will not shake them anymore and I will raise the temp and see what happens. I would wait for a year if I had to just to see those little babies grow!
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Re: yet another stupid Rye question.... [Re: theidiotnoob]
#9217029 - 11/10/08 11:24 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is very good growth for four days.
As for the rye clumping together that is normal when mycelium colonizes the grains....Truthfully, if the growth is ropey I never shake the jars, I just give it the few extra days and leave them. As for the mycelium stalling after a shake that is a sure indication of bacteria, I've had it happen many times.
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