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 Re: Psilocybe azurescens??  [Re: psilocin85]
#9186462 - 11/04/08 11:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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no they aren't. they where once thought to be. the speciation is well documented, you should read it.
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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: psilocin85]
#9187032 - 11/05/08 12:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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i agree with Alan R.
Those resemble Azures imo
like I stated in my earlier post
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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: pfshroomer]
#9189222 - 11/05/08 12:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've found Cyanescens that look exactly like this when young, especially when growing long stems - as in when growing through grass from some hidden substrate -
The same patch you picked these youngsters from - will produce mature fruits that are more typical-looking cyanescens - the cap will be smaller in diameter than typical cyans, since the stem has taken up more of the growing energy, but the umbo will flatten and the margin will do it's little wavy-gravy dance.
I'd bet my Mattso on this.
piece, out?
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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: mattso]
#9189277 - 11/05/08 01:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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mattso said:
I've found Cyanescens that look exactly like this when young, especially when growing long stems - as in when growing through grass from some hidden substrate -
The same patch you picked these youngsters from - will produce mature fruits that are more typical-looking cyanescens - the cap will be smaller in diameter than typical cyans, since the stem has taken up more of the growing energy, but the umbo will flatten and the margin will do it's little wavy-gravy dance.
I'd bet my Mattso on this.
piece, out?
m@
well no they didn't as is evident in the other picures also posted earlier in this thread...
oh and here is a picture of one i found yesterday... its old and very mature
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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: psilocin85]
#9192701 - 11/05/08 11:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those last 2 photos don't look like Cyans nor Azures! At least not to me.
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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: CureCat]
#9192720 - 11/05/08 11:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those last 2 photos don't look like Cyans nor Azures! At least not to me.
they where old and battered... eliments and bugs had started to get to them. What ever they are, they are potent and readily blruise.... within a few hours of having them home they where just blue!!! That was from sitting them on my table.
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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: mattso]
#9192743 - 11/05/08 11:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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mattso said:
I've found Cyanescens that look exactly like this when young, especially when growing long stems - as in when growing through grass from some hidden substrate -
m@
these never got an longer then 4 or 5cm.
The biggest cyan i have ever found (or at least measured) was 11.5cm in length and had a cap approx 7cm across - though the cap had started to turn up & inwards (seriously wavy)
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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: psilocin85]
#9192781 - 11/05/08 11:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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either way nice finds dude good work
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 Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: psilocin85]
#9193003 - 11/05/08 11:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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though the cap had started to turn up & inwards (seriously wavy)
Taco style.
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welllll.
mr. smarty pants!
just know that cyanescens can have very different growth habits.
I picked a set several years ago that we had to end to Gartz to have ID'd - looked like nothing any of us had seen before...
turned out to be cyanescens.... with small, mycenoid caps and persistant veil remants on thick, 4-inch, brownish stems....
funky species that cyanescens....
anyway.
eat those badboys up. they'll tell you their names.
matt,so?
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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: CureCat]
#9193972 - 11/06/08 07:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why not refer to anything meeting that description as "wood-loving Psilocybe", as opposed to a specific, described species??
I just don't understand why you choose to call all of these distantly related species "variants" of a particular species? It is not as though all the species you listed are descended from Ps. cyanescens, they each have their own independent lineages. It just kind of seems like you are artificially constructing this hierarchy with Ps. cyanescens at the top and the other species as subsidiary.
I can't speak for the Captain but, I think he already answered that.
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im not so much into "this is this mushroom, this is that one",
if they all look relatively the same and have a decent potency
to me they are just mutated cyans.
Obviously in this case the two species in question are remarkably similar. So much so in fact, that Azures were once considered Cyans. Not everyone is required to be as interested in the scientific delineation of mushroom taxonomy as some of us are. Hell, some of us don't give a damn about spelling, pronunciation or grammer.
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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9194940 - 11/06/08 10:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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and/or;borritos'
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That is fine..... But then don't argue about matters of science.
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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: CureCat]
#9195641 - 11/06/08 12:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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As far as cyans varying greatly in their shape so do azurescans based upon what habitat you find them in. The wood loving ones tend to have caps that upturn and can appear wavy sometimes. Where as the ones that like sand dune grass tend to stay more conic and develop longer stems. Even further i have found some located in an isolated stretch of the washington side that grow deep in the grass. They grow to much larger sizes and their coloring is much lighter even in pins.
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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: Picker4Life]
#9195788 - 11/06/08 01:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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neither spore print color, nor intensity, distinguish P. cyanescens from P. azurescent picker.
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