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InvisibleMOTH
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The Other Side
    #9112441 - 10/21/08 10:54 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to hear about your thoughts about the Other Side.  I feel it/see it everywhere and sometimes I really really want to go there.  In fact, I have "others" there that I know I would meet and possibly become part of were I to go.  Death seems like the easiest way; any other methods besides the usual suspects?  (dreams/meditation/yoga)


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Re: The Other Side [Re: MOTH]
    #9112471 - 10/21/08 10:59 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

DMT?  But you never know what you'll get with that.


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Re: The Other Side [Re: SvampViking]
    #9112476 - 10/21/08 11:01 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck, YOU'RE RIGHT.


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Re: The Other Side [Re: MOTH]
    #9112617 - 10/21/08 11:28 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I believe that the point of being alive is to learn how to leave 'the other side'.  How to escape from an existence bound by preconceived realities and discovering your own.

Like learning how to control your dreams to gain access to your own personal heaven, instead of floating around earth with no purpose, or unwillingly being reincarnated.


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Re: The Other Side [Re: Ginseng1]
    #9112900 - 10/22/08 12:13 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

And DMT will take your preconceived realities and smash them to oblivion.


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Re: The Other Side [Re: SvampViking]
    #9113157 - 10/22/08 01:06 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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And DMT will take your preconceived realities and smash them to oblivion.




Yes.  But even the DMT realm can be said to be a reality bound by different rules and regulations.

The whole point is that you can create your own instead of flopping between different ones, having some shatter, and others discovered.  Surely, there must exist an experience of your own design.


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Re: The Other Side [Re: SvampViking]
    #9114118 - 10/22/08 06:05 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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DMT?  But you never know what you'll get with that.




Seems reasonable.

I'd like to try it sometime.

P.S. Moth> I still have a big (well, little) bag of salvia that I've tried offering to you on numerous occasions. The offer still stands, and I'm pretty sure it's notorious for causing people to leave this plain of reality.


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Re: The Other Side [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #9115655 - 10/22/08 03:20 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

there is no other side, all realities are just smashed into one another. You can just poke your head through the ceiling, or the floor.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: The Other Side [Re: MOTH]
    #9115825 - 10/22/08 03:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd like to hear about your thoughts about the Other Side.  I feel it/see it everywhere and sometimes I really really want to go there.  In fact, I have "others" there that I know I would meet and possibly become part of were I to go.  Death seems like the easiest way; any other methods besides the usual suspects?  (dreams/meditation/yoga)




Datura brings the Other Side to your reality.

Are you sure you want to caper with the gremlins poking themselves out through the shadows?


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Re: The Other Side [Re: MOTH]
    #9115917 - 10/22/08 04:12 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

A very small selection from "Seth Speaks" which I recommended over in your thread in P&S.  Bold and underlined emphasis added by me:

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There is no separate, indivisible, specific point of death. Life is a state of becoming, and death is a part of this process of becoming. You are alive now, a consciousness knowing itself, sparkling with cognition amid a debris of dead and dying cells; alive while the atoms and molecules of your body die and are reborn. You are alive, therefore, in the midst of small deaths; portions of your own image crumble away moment by moment and are replaced, and you scarcely give the matter a thought. So you are to some extent now alive in the midst of the death of yourself - alive despite, and yet because of, the multitudinous deaths and rebirths that occur within your body in physical terms.

If the cells did not die and were not replenished, the physical image would not continue to exist, so now in the present, as you know it, your consciousness flickers about your ever-changing corporeal image.

In many ways you can compare your consciousness as you know it now to a firefly, for while it seems to you that your consciousness is continuous, this is not so. It also flickers off and on, though as we mentioned earlier, it is never completely extinguished. Its focus is not nearly as constant as you suppose, however. So as you are alive in the midst of your own multitudinous small deaths, so though you do not realize it, you are often "dead," even amid the sparkling life of your own consciousness.

I am using your own terms here. By "dead," therefore, I mean completely unfocused in physical reality. Now your consciousness, quite simply, is not physically alive, physically oriented, for exactly the same amount of time as it is physically alive and oriented. This may sound confusing, but hopefully we shall make it clearer. There are pulsations of consciousness, though again you may not be aware of them.

Consider this analogy. For one instant your consciousness is "alive," focused in physical reality. Now for the next instant it is focused somewhere else entirely, in a different system of reality. It is unalive, or "dead" to your way of thinking. The next instant it is "alive" again, focused in your reality, but you are not aware of the intervening instant of unaliveness. Your sense of continuity therefore is built up entirely on every other pulsation of consciousness.

Remember this is an analogy, so that the word "instant" should not be taken too literally. There is, then, what we can call an underside of consciousness. Now, in the same way, atoms and molecules exist so that they are "dead," or inactive within your system, then alive or active, but you cannot perceive the instant in which they do not exist. Since your bodies and your entire physical universe are composed of atoms and molecules, then I am telling you that the entire structure exists in the same manner. It flickers off and on, in other words, and in a certain rhythm, as, say, the rhythm of breath.

There are overall rhythms, and within them an infinity of individual variations - almost like cosmic metabolism. In these terms, what you call death is simply the insertion of a longer duration of that pulsation of which you are not aware, a long pause in that other dimension, so to speak.

The death, say, of physical tissue, is merely a part of the process of life as you know it in your system, a part of the process of becoming. And from those tissues, as you know, new life will spring.

Consciousness - human consciousness - is not dependent upon the tissues, and yet there is no physical matter that is not brought into being by some portion of consciousness. For example, when your individual consciousness has left the body in a way that I will shortly explain, then the simple consciousnesses of atoms and molecules remain, and are not annihilated.

In your present situation you arbitrarily consider yourselves to be dependent upon one given physical image: You identify yourself with your body.

As mentioned earlier, all through your lifetime, portions of that body die, and the body that you have now does not contain one particle of physical matter that "it" had, say ten years ago. Your body is completely different now, then, than it was ten years ago. The body that you had ten years ago, my dear readers, is dead. Yet obviously you do not feel that you are dead, and you are quite able to read this book with the eyes that are composed of completely new matter. The pupils, the "identical" pupils that you have now, did not exist ten years ago, and yet there seems to be no great gap in your vision.

This process, you see, continues so smoothly that you are not aware of it. The pulses mentioned earlier are so short in duration that your consciousness skips over them merrily, yet your physical perception cannot seem to bridge the gap when the longer rhythm of pulsation occurs. And so this is the time that you perceive as death. What you want to know, therefore, is what happens when your consciousness is directed away from physical reality, and when momentarily it seems to have no image to wear.

Quite practically speaking, there is no one answer, for each of you is an individual. Generally speaking, of course, there is an answer that will serve to cover main issues of this experience, but the kinds of deaths have much to do with the experience that
consciousness undergoes. Also involved is the development of the consciousness itself, and its overall characteristic method of handling experience.

The ideas that you have involving the nature of reality will strongly color your (after death) experiences, for you will interpret them in the light of your beliefs, even as now you interpret daily life according to your ideas of what is possible or not possible. Your consciousness may withdraw from your body slowly or quickly, according to many variables.

In many cases of senility, for example, the strongly organized portions of personality have already left the body, and are meeting the new circumstances. The fear of death itself can cause such a psychological panic that out of a sense of self-preservation and defense you lower your consciousness so that you are in a state of coma, and you may take some time to recover.

A belief in hell fires can cause you to hallucinate Hades' conditions. A belief in a stereotyped heaven can result in a hallucination of heavenly conditions. You always form your own reality according to your ideas and expectations. This is the nature of consciousness in whatever reality it finds itself. Such hallucinations, I assure you, are temporary.

Consciousness must use its abilities. The boredom and stagnation of a stereotyped heaven will not for long content the striving consciousness. There are teachers to explain the conditions and circumstances. You are not left alone, therefore, lost in mazes of hallucination. You may or may not realize immediately that you are dead in physical terms.

You will find yourself in another form, an image that will appear physical to you to a large degree, as long as you do not try to manipulate within the physical system with it. Then the differences between it and the physical body will become obvious.

If you firmly believe that your consciousness is a product of your physical body, then you may attempt to cling to it. There is an order of personalities, an honorary guard, so to speak, who are ever ready to lend assistance and aid, however.

Now this honorary guard is made up of people in your terms both living and dead. Those who are living in your system of reality perform these activities in an "out-of-body" experience while the physical body sleeps. They are familiar with the projection of consciousness, with the sensations involved, and they help orient those who will not be returning to the physical body.

These people are particularly helpful because they are still involved with physical reality, and have a more immediate understanding of the feelings and emotions involved at your end. Such persons may or may not have a memory of their nightly activities. Experiences with projection of consciousness and knowledge of the mobility of consciousness, are therefore very helpful as preparations for death. You can experience the after-death environment beforehand, so to speak, and learn the conditions that will be encountered.

This is not, incidentally, necessarily any kind of somber endeavor, nor are the after-death environments somber at all. To the contrary, they are generally far more intense and joyful than the reality you now know.

You will simply be learning to operate in a new environment in which different laws apply, and the laws are far less limiting than the physical ones with which you now operate. In other words, you must learn to understand and use new freedoms.

Even these experiences will vary, however, and even this state is a state of becoming, for many will continue into other physical lives. Some will exist and develop their abilities in different systems of reality altogether, and so for a time will remain in this "intermediary" state.


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Re: The Other Side [Re: MOTH]
    #9116039 - 10/22/08 04:33 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

What do you mean?

You want to talk to the dead?


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Re: The Other Side [Re: MOTH]
    #9117021 - 10/22/08 07:05 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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MOTH said:
I'd like to hear about your thoughts about the Other Side.  I feel it/see it everywhere and sometimes I really really want to go there.  In fact, I have "others" there that I know I would meet and possibly become part of were I to go.  Death seems like the easiest way; any other methods besides the usual suspects?  (dreams/meditation/yoga)




Notice parallels in reality you are not supposed to. Things that should only allowed to be stand out momentarily before being dismissed. Things that you feel unusual noticing.

Don't take it too far though. Hitler took it too far.


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Re: The Other Side [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #9119056 - 10/23/08 01:18 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe the body gives you a lot more freedom to do things, like a tool, than when it dies.  When I decided to give my body up a while back something communicated to me that basically I had waited an extreemly long time to have this body and that I would really miss it, to say the least, and I quickly changed my mind.
So meditate, fast, take psychadelics, go on retreats, etc. etc.  The main thing is that if you search for something hard enough, whatever it is, your going to find it and the ways will open up to you.


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