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 Platinum
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 Humans are just like computers
#9062226 - 10/11/08 08:16 AM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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Might not be the right forum to post in, not too sure. But, I was doing some reading at work about the OSI layers of a computer. And it had a striking resemblance to humans. Here's the link, you do the thinking and see if you agree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
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Re: Humans are just like computers [Re: Platinum]
#9062333 - 10/11/08 08:58 AM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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I don't really see humans that way
consciousness does have a presentation layer which seems to affect the stream like a media application,
and the stream and media feed back into consciousness in a
session kind of metaphor that is actually a light programming system
the data storage is mangled with the light programming method which is all associative. (no logic at all)
what happens together is linked,
what has a simmilar motif is linked.
repetition strenghtens linkages
strong linkages emerge more clearly in the stream when given an opportunity.
nothing in computers works quite that loosely or interactively with all forms of media or data,
or with the meta-motifs that can be isolated from the source data.
our minds make no distinction between data and program, but we have extremely wide bandwidth, i.e. it is not even like 8 or 32 or 128bit computing, at all.
every possible signal can fire at any possible time, (multi-million bit computing is our analog - and we are analog not digital either)
and data or media does not go through logic circuits, it goes directly into the stream subject to interference (based motif isolation) and feedback (based memory formation occur right awawy).
this is more like a taperecorder that plays an interactive hypertext tape that has been conditioned and looped through since birth.
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Re: Humans are just like computers [Re: redgreenvines]
#9062444 - 10/11/08 09:42 AM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
I don't really see humans that way
consciousness does have a presentation layer which seems to affect the stream like a media application,
and the stream and media feed back into consciousness in a
session kind of metaphor that is actually a light programming system
I think if we were to make analogy to the OSI model we would have to equate consciousness to the physical layer; the full utility of the machine interface in question. Application would be the operating level, where we have dissected all but all of the true meaning away from consciousness so that we may operate in 'appropriate context'.
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the data storage is mangled with the light programming method which is all associative. (no logic at all)
I think the nature of hard logic forming into systems first was a result of the up-tight, restricted application that they were first given. Many modern digital logic approaches stray from classical sequential logic; stream logic such as that in GPUs, associative logic such as that in neural and fuzzy networks.
Of course, in the OSI model, only the physical connection boundary at the physical layer is completely associative and completely free of logic (light in the fiber, waves in the line). I wonder if the same couldn't be said for consciousness though?
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what happens together is linked,
what has a simmilar motif is linked.
This is also true in many new age wireless transmission architectures (physical layer). Even though they are now able to share the same bandwidth, wide-band technology means only like signals recognize each other; interference only brings up the noise floor.
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repetition strenghtens linkages
Redundancy is used in several of the lower layers in the OSI model to synchronize and error correct.
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strong linkages emerge more clearly in the stream when given an opportunity.
Intelligent protocols optimize throughput by reducing the amount of redundancy when low bit error rates exist.
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nothing in computers works quite that loosely or interactively with all forms of media or data,
or with the meta-motifs that can be isolated from the source data.
Hmmm... I might agree with this.
Well, we should do our best to continue teaching them.
I have often seen the lack of full circle feedback to be the next bottleneck to be addressed in computer evolution; there must be a way to reflect user level input directly onto physical level architecture mid stream.
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our minds make no distinction between data and program, but we have extremely wide bandwidth, i.e. it is not even like 8 or 32 or 128bit computing, at all.
every possible signal can fire at any possible time, (multi-million bit computing is our analog - and we are analog not digital either)
High bandwidth in exchange for low cycles/second.
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and data or media does not go through logic circuits, it goes directly into the stream subject to interference (based motif isolation) and feedback (based memory formation occur right awawy).
We can put data through our filters and imperfectly map it into the logical domain. It would be wise to remember; despite our immediately apparent dissimilarities to computers, computers are simply the extensions of the logic streams still within the human mind.
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this is more like a taperecorder that plays an interactive hypertext tape that has been conditioned and looped through since birth.
But somewhere on that tape was encoded the entirety of what it is to be a computer. I wonder if somewhere in the computer there isn't encoded all of what is on that tape.
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redgreenvines
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the main processor in humans is the cortex but it is also the storage system as well as the media integration system,
the bus if there is one is corpus callosum (very wide but not marshalled by clock)
and while redundancy is involved hemisphere to hemisphere it is also provided for holographically
as a side effect of interference based similarity detection and memory fixation.
as far as cycles/per_second - the brain is very very fast but not based upon a single clock or processing thread at all:
the cerebellum simultaneously produces thousands of patterned sequences
- what seems slow is parcellation of discursive thought into subvocalized text, that only runs at speech or slower,
but that is of the nature of the sort of media orchestration or replay.
I see very few simmilarities except in regard to media storage and replay, but none in layers or devices.
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Re: Humans are just like computers [Re: redgreenvines]
#9064399 - 10/11/08 07:07 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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It's easy to transfer the primary terms to interpret another system. You could define this forum in terms of the emotions expressed in each post, but this does not make the forum emotional.
It would make sense that a system built by humans would have human underpinnings. Mathematics is capturing thought with symbols, so it's not surprising mathematics reflects human thinking.
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