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 Existenialism is a Humanism
#9055404 - 10/09/08 07:19 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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I bought this book today at my university's book store, and I cannot put it down. It's a lecture given by Sartre in which he responds to various objections to existentialism and explains existentialism and its implications in a readily understandable way.
I'm about half way through it, but judging by its quality thus far, I highly recommend Existentialism is a Humanism.
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I love it too, although he contradicts all of it in his later work. But, that is typical of Sartre.
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I was going to say - he seems to deride humanism in Nausea with the Self-Taught Man, though he does show the character respect and is eager to defend him from society's assaults. It's possible he means to say that existentialism is a more realistic form of humanism.
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 Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: zannennagara]
#9058966 - 10/10/08 01:38 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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whose the author of this book? sounds interesting
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Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: TheAxis]
#9058985 - 10/10/08 01:41 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Existentialism is nihilism for pansies.
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Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: TheAxis]
#9058986 - 10/10/08 01:41 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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The author is Jean-Paul Sartre - he is a French philosopher that wrote about a very wide range of subjects.
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Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: zannennagara]
#9059021 - 10/10/08 01:47 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: deCypher]
#9059384 - 10/10/08 03:02 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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The Cypher said:
Existentialism is nihilism for pansies.
Existentialism and nihilism often strike me as two sides of the same coin; they both seem to attempt to go beyond their own matter.
"By thinking I exist I must be existing"
vs
"By thinking I exist I must be wrong about existing"
I think we need to take a step inward.
"By thinking I must be wanting to decide if I exist"
(Call it conclusionism?)
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I've always understood nihilism to be a rejection of all objective values? And existentialism to place the value solely in the individual.
Existentialism stresses that human existence is determined by humans alone; a person's life is meaningless until that person creates meaning.
Existence is the only predestined; the rest lies either in our hands, or chance's.
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Re: Existentialism is a Humanism [Re: psycroptic]
#9062365 - 10/11/08 09:08 AM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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psycroptic said:
I've always understood nihilism to be a rejection of all objective values? And existentialism to place the value solely in the individual.
And if we reject all objective values, we still rely on subjective values to form the basis of our argument.
And if we place all value solely in the subjective individual, we reject the idea that the values themselves are objective.
The coin twirls.
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Existentialism stresses that human existence is determined by humans alone; a person's life is meaningless until that person creates meaning.
Existence is the only predestined; the rest lies either in our hands, or chance's.
I wonder if it should matter whether the meaning created is true or false. I wonder if the held belief of whether it is true or false is a meaning in itself.
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Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: deCypher]
#9062436 - 10/11/08 09:40 AM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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I am a die hard existentialist. I think the difference is that the existentialist didn't give up on life while the nihilist did.
or,
I could say that a nihilist is really an existentialist that doesn't find life worth living anymore. I'm with Nietzsche on Nihilism, but I still say he's over rated.
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Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: drwatson]
#9062478 - 10/11/08 09:58 AM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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But what about a hedonistic nihilist? Wouldn't they have finally stopped giving up on life and really started living it?
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nah, that sounds more like a person that might only feel alive while they're fucking or high.
Grumpy Smurf was a nihilist I think, though not a hedonistic one.
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Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: drwatson]
#9064691 - 10/11/08 08:37 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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That just sounds like someone with poor pleasure optimization skills to me...
Shouldn't an existentialist try and maximize the satisfaction/appreciation they get out of life?
It seems like a semantic difference, two people who agree that we are the creators, but who argue about whether creation is right or wrong.
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Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: drwatson]
#9064958 - 10/11/08 09:36 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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I don't think nihilism is necessarily a negative outlook..
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Quote:
Oweyervishice said:
I don't think nihilism is necessarily a negative outlook..
Don't think it's a necessarily positive one either, though.
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Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: deCypher]
#9066115 - 10/12/08 09:58 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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The Cypher said:
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Oweyervishice said:
I don't think nihilism is necessarily a negative outlook..
Don't think it's a necessarily positive one either, though.
But it is necessarily an outlook, this is the part that interests me.
The road in defiance of the groundlessness it is built upon.
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And perhaps it's this very paradoxical nature that makes it so appealing.
Godel's Incompleteness Theorem; a proof that manages to shatter the boundaries of the system that tries to contain it--or anarchy; a political system that temporarily uses the organization that it crystallized out of to tear the very system apart.
Why are the most compelling views always the most destructive?
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Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: deCypher]
#9066864 - 10/12/08 02:27 PM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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The Cypher said:
And perhaps it's this very paradoxical nature that makes it so appealing.
I like the angle.
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Godel's Incompleteness Theorem; a proof that manages to shatter the boundaries of the system that tries to contain it--or anarchy; a political system that temporarily uses the organization that it crystallized out of to tear the very system apart.
Why are the most compelling views always the most destructive?
I wonder if it has to do with the impossibility of a fundamental which remains as such. It seems like change is more primary to the truth of existence than anything else could be.
Since change is something which cannot become fixed; maybe we are seeing closeness to the (relative) absolute reflected more genuinely as our foundations are torn away?
To be more compelled is to be more swayed from whatever is in contention with the compulsion. To obey a compulsion entirely would be to leave everything else behind entirely. The sustaining of reality is, after all, only our sustained interest in its being real. Destruction is creation depending on which side you happen on.
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Re: Existenialism is a Humanism [Re: deCypher]
#9072065 - 10/13/08 05:24 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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The Cypher said:
Existentialism is nihilism for pansies.
Yeah, since living in the epitome of despair is worthy of any esteem.....
But yea, I too have some nihilistic tendencies, but that is natural, every human does IMO its just that most people have blinded themselves to nihilism (for good reason). To be a TRUE nihilist is to be worthless to humanity, perhaps the dogmatists should kill hedonistic nihilists, they are pretty worthless and besides they should commit suicide anyway.
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