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 grod31
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 strain genus species whaaa?
#9052819 - 10/09/08 10:17 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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okay I'm lost here i have some Flammulia velutipes and Flammulina populicola spores. i thought i could mix them in one syringe to make a giant multispore because they were strains. but it was pointed out to me that they are completely different species. both are not genus Populus ?
if you were trying to cross species would these be easier to cross then say Psilocybe cubensis and Psilocybe azurescens?
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Re: strain genus species whaaa? [Re: grod31]
#9052893 - 10/09/08 10:37 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Re: strain genus species whaaa? [Re: lipa]
#9054942 - 10/09/08 05:52 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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A "strain" is a subset of genetics within a single species that exhibits a particular phenotype or physical trait that is not significant enough to warrant a change in its specific epithet (species level taxonomy).
You should go to MushroomExpert.com and look at the listing there about F. velutipes vs. populicola. (SP?)
I may post the link later, but I've got to go now.
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Re: strain genus species whaaa? [Re: MycoAu]
#9055889 - 10/09/08 08:49 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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okay so i think i have this , Populus is the genus- that is the only thing these two mushrooms have in common so I'm guessing that Flammulia is another name given to Populus. i was just confused because they are both "ENOKI"  I'm still confused 
edit- mycoAu- is this what you were refering to
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/flammulina_populicola.html
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Edited by grod31 (10/09/08 08:51 PM)
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Re: strain genus species whaaa? [Re: grod31]
#9056282 - 10/09/08 10:07 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Populus is a genus of trees which include the trees called Poplars such as Aspen trees.
Flammulina velutipes
Flammulina is the genus.
velutipes is the species.
For example:
Psilocybe cubensis var. Texas
Genus = Psilocybe
species = cubensis
strain = Texas
Get it?
As far as the difference between the two Flammulina is that they have different spore sizes, their DNA does not match and spores of the two species won't mate with each other. This separates them as different species.
Flammulina velutipes grows on hardwoods other than western poplars.
Flammulina populicola grows on trees of the genus Populus such as Aspen trees.
The populicola used to be considered a variation/substrain of velutipes until the details posted above were discovered which made it its own species.
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Confirmed:
Psilocybe stuntzii
Psilocybe cyanescens
Psilocybe guilartensis
Panaeolus olivaceus
Unknown:
Washington Psilocybe species
Washington Panaeolus species
Edited by BlimeyGrimey (10/09/08 10:15 PM)
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Re: strain genus species whaaa? [Re: grod31]
#9056304 - 10/09/08 10:14 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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No, no, you have it all wrong.
Populus is the genus that polars, a type of tree, fall into.
Flammulina in the genus that the two mushroom species you are confused about fall into.
Enoki, or enokitake, is just a common name (which actually happens to be the Japanese name) for Flammulina velutipes. The vendor you bought that culture off was incorrect to call Flammulina populicola the enoki mushroom. Often common names just lead to confusion as several different unrelated organisms can have the same name.
Have a read of this page for a fuller explanation of taxonomy.
Edit: I was already writing that before you posted BlimeyGrimey...it's a bit of a double post now.
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Edited by tripsis (10/09/08 10:17 PM)
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Re: strain genus species whaaa? [Re: tripsis]
#9056340 - 10/09/08 10:21 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Quote:
tripsis said:
The vendor you bought that culture off was incorrect to call Flammulina populicola the enoki mushroom.
Not necessarily. Flammulina populicola used to be considered a substrain of velutipes. Thus it was a type of Enoki.
Its the same as Pleurotus populinus being called oyster mushroom even though the true oyster mushroom is Pleurotus ostreatus. Its the same with the Pleurotus and the Flammulina, they both have species which grow on poplar trees that have fruits that are very similar to the "true" species.
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Confirmed:
Psilocybe stuntzii
Psilocybe cyanescens
Psilocybe guilartensis
Panaeolus olivaceus
Unknown:
Washington Psilocybe species
Washington Panaeolus species
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Re: strain genus species whaaa? [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#9056369 - 10/09/08 10:25 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Fair enough. Does Flammulina populicola grow in Japan though?
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Re: strain genus species whaaa? [Re: tripsis]
#9057451 - 10/10/08 07:19 AM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Re: strain genus species whaaa? [Re: robanero]
#9058814 - 10/10/08 12:58 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Yes, that was the link I was talking about. I should help you understand the difference between the two species you were talking about. If you grasp the basics of genus/species/strain now, you should be able to get an idea of the different ways they separate out or determine what exactly a species is. (Because there a couple of different ways currently in use.)
As for a basic description, Tripsis gave a fine post above (Post#9056304).
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