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 Boots
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 Rights
#9017302 - 10/02/08 08:01 AM (2 months, 1 day ago) |
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Rights do not exist. In regards to freedom (which some say is an illusion); one's freedom is equivalent to the power someone else was willing to give up.
Thoughts?
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 b0red5tiff
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Re: Rights [Re: Boots]
#9017855 - 10/02/08 11:13 AM (2 months, 1 day ago) |
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rights are a set of boundaries in which your freedom has been set in. it's a product of a modern society, which is not free at all.
rights are something that are GIVEN to a person/group of persons. it's an illusion and if the person accepts those guidelines then he adopts that reality tunnel.
"rights" is a word that can become a state of mind, imaginary sheep fence you exist in.
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Lakefingers
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rights exist,
they're written into law.
they're reactive though, and have nothing to do with being taken or exercised. they're all about being dished out, protected or stamped out when it's fit for the rulers.
the rights we have are temporary. the rights we have are supposed to be universal/eternal, but universal/eternal rights are impossible considering the individuals they apply to are not universal or eternal.
most disturbing about rights is as i said above, not that we take them, but that they are given. there is a star trek episode where they meet an alien race: some of them are hunters and some are the hunted. the meaning of the existence of the hunted is the game of being hunted. star fleet (westerners believing in reactive rights) can't understand this, does not understand the concept of honor and valor... the right to be free according to will.
instead star fleet tries to convince the hunted that he is living without rights, lawlessly, he should really join their empire, accept those rights and rely on the star fleet empire to protect him. of course, being a sovereign individual, the hunted sees such rights for the utter slavery they are.
Edited by Lakefingers (10/04/08 06:55 AM)
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zouden
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Re: Rights [Re: Boots]
#9022250 - 10/03/08 04:21 AM (2 months, 18 hours ago) |
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Boots said:
Rights do not exist. In regards to freedom (which some say is an illusion); one's freedom is equivalent to the power someone else was willing to give up.
Thoughts?
I agree. Rights don't exist, other than an encapsulation of our civilisation. We act civilised because we have more to lose if we don't; similarly, we gave ourselves rights because if we don't, we won't have them. But there's nothing magical or universal about them.
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 deCypher
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Re: Rights [Re: Boots]
#9023710 - 10/03/08 01:34 PM (2 months, 9 hours ago) |
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The only reason you're still alive is because someone has decided to let you live.
--KMFDM
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Boots
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The Cypher said:
The only reason you're still alive is because someone has decided to let you live.
--KMFDM
Didn't they have a song on the soundtrack to the Mortal Kombat film? "Juke-Joint-Jezebel" or something like that?
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: Rights [Re: Boots]
#9027688 - 10/04/08 09:45 AM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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Boots said:
Rights do not exist. In regards to freedom (which some say is an illusion); one's freedom is equivalent to the power someone else was willing to give up.
Thoughts?
The only rights are the ones given to us by the universe. I have the right to look around, to move my hands, to type this into the keyboard, etc. My rights are determined by my immediate power as a being and this alone.
We all have the rights to kill, steal, rape; and do things of this nature. However, since rights are relative to existential power, those who lord over us have greater rights to these actions- they will react to our use of these rights to display their greater power over them.
The greatest rights, however, are to deceive and reveal. These rights require the least energy for the most results, and potentiate the unseen use of more forceful rights. Those with more power than us still have their rights to commit violence and hate directly, but if they use their rights of deception they may carry out much more before the weaker-thans use their rights in defiance.
This is why drug users are sent to prisons to be raped and beaten instead of being raped and beaten in the streets like once was. Efficiency.
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deCypher
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Re: Rights [Re: Boots]
#9028134 - 10/04/08 11:55 AM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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Boots said:
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The Cypher said:
The only reason you're still alive is because someone has decided to let you live.
--KMFDM
Didn't they have a song on the soundtrack to the Mortal Kombat film? "Juke-Joint-Jezebel" or something like that?
Yep, fucking excellent song. Gospel + industrial FTW.
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Boots
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ExplosiveMango said:
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Boots said:
Rights do not exist. In regards to freedom (which some say is an illusion); one's freedom is equivalent to the power someone else was willing to give up.
Thoughts?
The only rights are the ones given to us by the universe. I have the right to look around, to move my hands, to type this into the keyboard, etc. My rights are determined by my immediate power as a being and this alone.
We all have the rights to kill, steal, rape; and do things of this nature. However, since rights are relative to existential power, those who lord over us have greater rights to these actions- they will react to our use of these rights to display their greater power over them.
The greatest rights, however, are to deceive and reveal. These rights require the least energy for the most results, and potentiate the unseen use of more forceful rights. Those with more power than us still have their rights to commit violence and hate directly, but if they use their rights of deception they may carry out much more before the weaker-thans use their rights in defiance.
This is why drug users are sent to prisons to be raped and beaten instead of being raped and beaten in the streets like once was. Efficiency.
But these aren't rights as typically described (most sources I've read describe 'rights' as inherent' and given). In your first paragraph, what you desctibe are not rights, but merely physical limitations, or physical abilities, not rights. Essentially, you could replace the word 'rights' with 'abilities' and your post would be something I can agree with.
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theshiz777
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Quote:
ExplosiveMango said:
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Boots said:
Rights do not exist. In regards to freedom (which some say is an illusion); one's freedom is equivalent to the power someone else was willing to give up.
Thoughts?
The only rights are the ones given to us by the universe. I have the right to look around, to move my hands, to type this into the keyboard, etc. My rights are determined by my immediate power as a being and this alone.
We all have the rights to kill, steal, rape; and do things of this nature. However, since rights are relative to existential power, those who lord over us have greater rights to these actions- they will react to our use of these rights to display their greater power over them.
The greatest rights, however, are to deceive and reveal. These rights require the least energy for the most results, and potentiate the unseen use of more forceful rights. Those with more power than us still have their rights to commit violence and hate directly, but if they use their rights of deception they may carry out much more before the weaker-thans use their rights in defiance.
This is why drug users are sent to prisons to be raped and beaten instead of being raped and beaten in the streets like once was. Efficiency.
It seems to me that you are talking about will more than rights. You do not have the right to kill or rape me, but you might have the will to do so.
Rights are a limitation on your freedom forced on you to ensure morality, and/or to keep your freedoms down so someone else can be more free than you, thus have more control over you, and having more power over you. IMO
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Oweyervishice
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"You do not have the right to kill or rape me, but you might have the will to do so."
I think he's calling you gay, ExplosiveMango.
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theshiz777
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Oweyervishice dont be so ignorant. I actually respect ExplosiveMangos beliefs, along with a lot of other peoples thoughts and beliefs on this board. And no I am not calling ExplosiveMango gay, maybe a little reading comprehension on your part Oweyervishice may help.
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ExplosiveMango
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We know, just a joke. 
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Essentially, you could replace the word 'rights' with 'abilities' and your post would be something I can agree with.
Yes, I am making the claim that the boundary of the "right" is the same boundary as the potential ability. I would say will is different than ability, although the execution of any ability requires will.
But force is the only "right".
People who 'respect your rights' out of fear are simply complying with the force of their masters. Respect can only be given out of honest respect; this will only ever be given by choice.
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Rights are a limitation on your freedom forced on you to ensure morality,
Morality can only ever seen to be an act of force by the deceived. You can only ever decide yourself, out of your own compassion, to resist forces of evil.
Building a law against a certain action simply creates fear of a crime; the want for the crime will still exist. Will builds potential energy, the resentment will not die, it can only be allowed to rest through satisfaction. Laws do not prevent crime, they simply help the law-makers channel the crimes into more specific context; like war time massacres or prison crimes.
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