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 Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? 
#8975532 - 09/23/08 08:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was given a small 2-hose hookah as a gift, coals and everything. I find that when I use the coals properly, over the weed on a piece of perforated foil, the weed never burns, it just slowly turns brown. This sounds like my hookah is vaporizing my weed, but shouldn't that mean it is more efficient? I find that I always go through weed faster when I use my hookah.
Is there any aspect of a hookah that can significantly decrease its efficiency? Such as, the THC getting absorbed in the water, or the fact that the hoses are very long, leaving more surface area for smoke condensation.
Secondly, I've found that after using my hookah a lot lately, I've been having strange mood problems and headaches, and I suspected CO poisoning. I use it indoors, in a room with a fan in the window, or in a steamy bathroom with a fan vent. Am I still at risk for carbon monoxide poisoning? What if I leave a lit coal in the tray with the window closed?
Thanks for your help!
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 Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: moeburn]
#8975549 - 09/23/08 08:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think that hookahs are probably less efficient than other methods, but they're fun to use every now and then. THC isn't water soluble, so you don't have to worry about that. Can't comment on CO poisoning. If you're mixing tobacco in with your weed and you don't smoke tobacco regularly, it could just be from the nicotine.
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: moeburn]
#8975554 - 09/23/08 08:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hookahs are not very efficient
they are fun at parties but thats about it IMO
Bong hits or a real vaporizer would be the most efficient I would guess
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: NobodyImportant]
#8975844 - 09/23/08 09:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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agree with the other posters, hookah's are fun but wasteful
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: moeburn]
#8975904 - 09/23/08 09:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I seriously doubt you're getting CO poisoning from just hookah use. Perhaps it's just too much nicotine, and your body's getting used to it?
And I dunno about hookahs decreasing the efficiency of THC--I always get higher at a slower rate whenever I smoke weed in mine (as compared to bong hits, for instance), but that's primarily because I mix in shisha with the ganja and because hookah is more of a social, kick-back and talk endeavour than a "let's get ripped" attitude by passing the bong.
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: garzythebear]
#8978631 - 09/24/08 12:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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How the heck can slowly heating weed till it turns brown with a coal be more wasteful than setting it on fire with direct contact with a flame?
Seriously, that doesn't make any sense to me. As long as you are using coals and not a lighter for a hookah, it is more efficient and less wasteful than any smoking method.
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: moeburn]
#8978639 - 09/24/08 12:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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dont in hail toxins
vaoprize
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: Coaster]
#8979384 - 09/24/08 03:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That is what I'm trying to say, the coal is reducing toxins and increasing efficiency by burning at a much lower temperature than a lighter or even a match.
The volcano vaporizer works by passing hot air over your weed, right? How do you think the hookah works? You draw air in, the air has to pass over a very hot coal, the air becomes hot and then passes through your weed, vaporizing it.
So can anyone tell me why a weed in a pipe, lit with a match and burned would be more efficient?
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: moeburn]
#8980495 - 09/24/08 06:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure hookahs burn the weed. Otherwise how would you be able to see soo much smoke when you exhale?
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: halo]
#8980910 - 09/24/08 07:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Again, are we still talking about using hookahs with a coal and not with a flame? I know most of my friends who own hookahs don't actually bother, or even know of, using coals. I'll admit the coals are hotter than vaporizers, but they're nowhere near as hot as a flame.
When I smoke weed in a pipe, I'm left with a little white ball of fluff with almost no mass. When I "smoke" weed in a hookah, my green pile of weed turns into a brown pile of weed. Sometimes there are a few black bits in the weed, and thats how I know the coal is slightly hotter than the vaporizer, but there is no white ash like there is in the pipe. Actually, I've seen some vaporizers that result in brown weed that looks exactly as the leftovers from my hookah. I get about 4 times higher using the hookah than I do from my pipe, and I can still smoke the brown leftovers from the hookah in the pipe and get an extra high, as long as I smoke twice or three times as much.
Maybe my hookah, or the way I set it up, is unique. I grind up my weed in a grinder, i put it in the bowl without packing it whatsoever, completely fluffed up. I put tin foil over the bowl, so that the foil is about 0.5" to 1" away from the weed. I heat up a coal with a propane torch, I put it on a side of the foil, and I move it around every 2 or 3 puffs to a different side of the foil. Then I take the foil off, stir the weed around, and repeat.
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halo said:
I'm pretty sure hookahs burn the weed. Otherwise how would you be able to see soo much smoke when you exhale?
Well, you see "smoke" when you use a vaporizer, too, only it is steam.
I stopped putting water in my hookah, because I realised it didn't do anything whatsoever to the quality of the smoke. From all the distance the smoke has travelled in the hookah and hose, it is almost room temperature, whether or not it passes through water. Unless the water actually does something to increase the high (i've heard of this, but not verified), it is pointless for me.
I stand here to make a claim, please challenge me with facts:
Hookahs are vaporizers.
Edited by moeburn (09/24/08 07:59 PM)
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Hookahs ARE vaporizers. [Re: moeburn]
#8986175 - 09/25/08 06:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Really, no challenges, after everyone said I was wrong? It worries me that everyone (not just one person) will rush to post an answer that they think is correct, without bothering to check the facts. No wonder they banned dosage questions.
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Edited by moeburn (09/25/08 06:33 PM)
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Re: Hookahs ARE vaporizers. [Re: moeburn]
#8986394 - 09/25/08 07:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
no, we just stopped caring
So let me get this straight. I discover that pot heads can use half as much weed and get twice as high with a device that costs much less than a vaporizer, and no one cares? So what is this message board about, knitting?
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: moeburn]
#8990734 - 09/26/08 05:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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moeburn said:
Again, are we still talking about using hookahs with a coal and not with a flame? I know most of my friends who own hookahs don't actually bother, or even know of, using coals. I'll admit the coals are hotter than vaporizers, but they're nowhere near as hot as a flame.
When I smoke weed in a pipe, I'm left with a little white ball of fluff with almost no mass. When I "smoke" weed in a hookah, my green pile of weed turns into a brown pile of weed. Sometimes there are a few black bits in the weed, and thats how I know the coal is slightly hotter than the vaporizer, but there is no white ash like there is in the pipe. Actually, I've seen some vaporizers that result in brown weed that looks exactly as the leftovers from my hookah. I get about 4 times higher using the hookah than I do from my pipe, and I can still smoke the brown leftovers from the hookah in the pipe and get an extra high, as long as I smoke twice or three times as much.
Maybe my hookah, or the way I set it up, is unique. I grind up my weed in a grinder, i put it in the bowl without packing it whatsoever, completely fluffed up. I put tin foil over the bowl, so that the foil is about 0.5" to 1" away from the weed. I heat up a coal with a propane torch, I put it on a side of the foil, and I move it around every 2 or 3 puffs to a different side of the foil. Then I take the foil off, stir the weed around, and repeat.
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I'm pretty sure hookahs burn the weed. Otherwise how would you be able to see soo much smoke when you exhale?
Well, you see "smoke" when you use a vaporizer, too, only it is steam.
I stopped putting water in my hookah, because I realised it didn't do anything whatsoever to the quality of the smoke. From all the distance the smoke has travelled in the hookah and hose, it is almost room temperature, whether or not it passes through water. Unless the water actually does something to increase the high (i've heard of this, but not verified), it is pointless for me.
I stand here to make a claim, please challenge me with facts:
Hookahs are vaporizers.
I'm gonna hafta disagree with you there. If you are exhaling steam, then you sir have some very badass lungs. At room temperature you would have to have some lung tissue scorching shit to exhale steam. To be totally honest, nothing is as efficient as the good ol one hitter.
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Re: Hookahs ARE vaporizers. [Re: moeburn]
#8990789 - 09/26/08 05:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
no, we just stopped caring
So let me get this straight. I discover that pot heads can use half as much weed and get twice as high with a device that costs much less than a vaporizer, and no one cares? So what is this message board about, knitting?
I doubt one would get twice as high. Burning is by definition more efficient than vaporization, as vaping leaves you with brownish looking weed that can still be smoked for mild effects.
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: moeburn]
#8990825 - 09/26/08 05:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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moeburn said:
I get about 4 times higher using the hookah than I do from my pipe, and I can still smoke the brown leftovers from the hookah in the pipe and get an extra high, as long as I smoke twice or three times as much.
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halo said:
I'm pretty sure hookahs burn the weed. Otherwise how would you be able to see soo much smoke when you exhale?
Well, you see "smoke" when you use a vaporizer, too, only it is steam.
I stand here to make a claim, please challenge me with facts:
Hookahs are vaporizers.
Sir, you are incredibly incorrect. A hookah burns the pot/tobacco. A vaporizer vaporizes. You do not inhale STEAM (hahah) from a vaporizer, you inhale VAPOR. You do not inhale vapor from a hookah, you inhale smoke. Two radically different things.
Take an digital thermometer and measure the heat put off by the coal. Whats that? Its like 500+ degrees? Thats right, waaaay above vaporization temp for thc (360). Hookahs are ridiculously wasteful for ganja. Smoke tobacco in it or use something else. They were not made for pot.
Oh wait, i see that you get exaCtly 4X higher. With that highly scientific hypothesis, go ahead and SMOKE that dope through your hookah. Some people are so ignorant, that they deny concepts which evade their mental capacity. When this occurs, they are no longer ignorant, just stupid.
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: moeburn]
#8990854 - 09/26/08 05:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That is what I'm trying to say, the coal is reducing toxins and increasing efficiency by burning at a much lower temperature than a lighter or even a match.
The volcano vaporizer works by passing hot air over your weed, right? How do you think the hookah works? You draw air in, the air has to pass over a very hot coal, the air becomes hot and then passes through your weed, vaporizing it.
So can anyone tell me why a weed in a pipe, lit with a match and burned would be more efficient?
the problem with your logic is ur disregarding temperature
the coal passes hot air through the weed
yet the air is so hot it combusts the weed leaving toxic bi-products
u can vape with a hookah in theory if the coals were far enough away from the weed
but inhaling burning coals isnt healthy i believe
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Re: Hookahs ARE vaporizers. [Re: deCypher]
#8991806 - 09/26/08 10:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Cypher said:
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moeburn said:
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
no, we just stopped caring
So let me get this straight. I discover that pot heads can use half as much weed and get twice as high with a device that costs much less than a vaporizer, and no one cares? So what is this message board about, knitting?
I doubt one would get twice as high. Burning is by definition more efficient than vaporization, as vaping leaves you with brownish looking weed that can still be smoked for mild effects.
thats also an incorrect staement
with smoking, you lose a lot of the active components to pyrolization and to side stream smoke, it comes out to being 30% of the plants active components actually being delivered... smoking isnt nearly 100% efficiency, its just that theres very little left afterwards so people think that its more efficient
vapes get 80+% efficiency, and all the plant matter is left behind, there is still some stuff left in it, but not of the active components get destroyed by flame and embers, and there is no smoke to interfere with your lungs ability to absorb the active components
the stuff left behind is known as duff, and it still has a little left in it, and people usually use that for cooking, so that takes the efficiency up further
go read the norml study on vaporizers
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Re: Can hookahs vape, and can they cause CO poisoning? [Re: Coaster]
#8991814 - 09/26/08 10:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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omfg coaster said something useful!!  
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Hmm... I might stand corrected.
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