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 Getting started with morels...
#8905631 - 09/10/08 05:53 AM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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So at my brother's insistence, I've just received a black morel liquid culture syringe and I'm about to start growing the culture out to make an outdoor bed. Information is kind of sparse, and my basic question is this. Should I start out by just adding some LC to sterilized jars of soil and rye grass seed, or grow the LC out on agar until sclerotia form and then transfer that to my jars?
Also, do morels like frequent agitation while colonizing the substrate? I understand that some fungal species like king stropharia do better when agitated frequently.
Thanks!
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Re: Getting started with morels... [Re: Paresthesia]
#8909831 - 09/10/08 10:52 PM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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If i was you i was doing some Rye jars and inculating them  after they fully colonized i was doing an outside grow.
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Re: Getting started with morels... [Re: Paresthesia]
#8914807 - 09/11/08 07:58 PM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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Actually, you should use a layer method, from bottom; ryegrass or grain, sand, hardwood mulch,
after you inoculate the mulch they will form white fuzz ball looking tufts that will discolor to yellow and orange. If a lot of these develop they will coalesce into a larger mass which could be used to inoculate a sand or gravel location outdoors, say under your porch deck, then scatter wood mulch over that location. And it has to be a location that stays relatively moist and cool even during the summertime.
If you supplement it with nutrients say compost, it must be placed OUTSIDE of those locations not on top of them.
It may even be helpful to cover those locations with leaf coverage or a fabric like sheet in addition to the mulch.
What would be even more helpful is if you own one of those flowerbed mini-ponds that have water going through it : Pond pump stuff, that area.
And the location is concave/valley so there is good drainage after rains.
Its best to inoculate the outside during the early spring or fall but it depends on the maturity of the sclerotia and its development in your jars.
Edited by AcidHorse (09/11/08 08:08 PM)
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 Re: Getting started with morels... [Re: AcidHorse]
#8918315 - 09/12/08 12:38 PM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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Well, this all sounds incredibly complicated! I was hoping to just use the grass seed as spawn for building an outdoor bed.
I was thinking maybe.. digging a pit near some pine trees in a relatively damp spot, laying down gravel, mulch, spawn, burned wood, repeat... something like that. No good?
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Re: Getting started with morels... [Re: Paresthesia]
#8920848 - 09/12/08 08:52 PM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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You may do well to read the following patent
description dealing with the production of
morel spawn and related processes -
Morel Cultivation Patent Description
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Re: Getting started with morels... [Re: lorbitherize]
#8925006 - 09/13/08 06:37 PM (2 months, 20 days ago) |
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Quote:
lorbitherize said:
You may do well to read the following patent
description dealing with the production of
morel spawn and related processes -
Morel Cultivation Patent Description
Just remember the patent is worded "tricky", so that it is deceptive.
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Re: Getting started with morels... [Re: Paresthesia]
#8925037 - 09/13/08 06:44 PM (2 months, 20 days ago) |
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Quote:
Paresthesia said:
Well, this all sounds incredibly complicated! I was hoping to just use the grass seed as spawn for building an outdoor bed.
I was thinking maybe.. digging a pit near some pine trees in a relatively damp spot, laying down gravel, mulch, spawn, burned wood, repeat... something like that. No good?
That's essentially close to what I've just described.
But what you are describing as black morels are you sure they are angusticeps/elata or are they M. atrotomentosa? There are different species and it would be pointless to put regular black morels around pine trees when they would do just fine around beech trees.
Doesn't really need to be trees, morels can attach to even small plants like Dutchman's Breeches or Ground Ivy. Doesn't really need to be a plant there at all. Its a facultative situation which could only explain the giganticism.
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Edited by AcidHorse (09/13/08 06:50 PM)
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 Re: Getting started with morels... [Re: AcidHorse]
#8927634 - 09/14/08 07:46 AM (2 months, 19 days ago) |
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AcidHorse said:
That's essentially close to what I've just described.
But what you are describing as black morels are you sure they are angusticeps/elata or are they M. atrotomentosa? There are different species and it would be pointless to put regular black morels around pine trees when they would do just fine around beech trees.
I got the culture from Sporeworks, and it's described as M. angusticeps and M. conica. The spot I have picked out just happens to be near pines. I only have two other trees growing on/near my property--a huuuuge pecan tree and a chinese elm. I doubt either would work.
I'd love to find cultures of pecan truffles and try growing those in my back yard. $100 a pound sounds damn good to me!
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