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Personal Happiness vs What's Right
    #8891524 - 09/07/08 03:40 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

Alright so this is a personal question, but it can definitely be applied to anyone. I'm involved with this person, she's a cool chick, a little whacked in the head, but what chick, or person, isn't? So moving on...

I don't want a relationship with this girl, but at times I feel like she wants one with me, even though she says she doesn't. She buys me shit, calls me a lot, etc. etc. At times I don't really want to be with her, but having that female company is awesome. And when I broke it off with her I felt lonely, as I don't hang out with many people since a lot of my friends went to away to school while I'm stuck here. So often I sit in my room, but having her is cool cuz I get laid and someone to hang out with.

Yet I feel terrible, like I'm using her just to fill this void in me. To keep me company, and make me happy that I'm not alone, and so on.

So here's my question. Do I sacrifice my personal happiness and break things off because I'm in a sense... leading her on? Or do I keep things as they are, leading her on, and basically using her?

IDK if this is fit for P&S but I feel it does because this can be applied to anything really, not just my own personal situation. What do you guys think?


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: Platinum]
    #8891545 - 09/07/08 03:43 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

Probably more applicable to Physical and Mental Well-being, but oh well.

It sounds like the only reason why you're leading this girl on is because you don't have very many other friends to fill your time.  As for what to do in your situation, well, that's up to you and your moral standards to talk it out.  If you really care for her, and wouldn't want to inflict any kind of psychological trauma, you should let her down nicely right now.  If, however, you don't really care all that much, and are more concerned for some temporary female company until you meet better friends, then go for it--it's your life to live.


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: deCypher]
    #8891582 - 09/07/08 03:51 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

Well, I hope you don't take me out to be a bad immoral person. I do enjoy hanging out with her, but I don't have these strong emotional feelings for her. That's probably a large part of what it's about, sorry if I didn't really make that clear in the OP. I try to live a straight good path, doing what's right.

How does everyone else feel about not this particular situation, but this philosophy of life. Does your personal happiness trump what's right? Would you rather do what's right and be unhappy/upset/etc?


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: Platinum]
    #8891589 - 09/07/08 03:52 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

Personal happiness always trumps suppositions of an external morality.


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: Platinum]
    #8891591 - 09/07/08 03:54 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

What would a buddhist say?

edit: if they were faced with a situation where they would save a persons emotional feelings and mental wellbeing and put themselves into an unhappy situation, would they do it?


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: Platinum]
    #8891687 - 09/07/08 04:14 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

First off, I really don't see the difference between having sex with her and spending lots of time together, enjoying her company and stuff, and "having a relationship". :lol:

I don't think it's healthy to think that you are using her or she is using you, since both of you are in this together out of your own will. I'd advise you to think about why you feel so terrible and then act accordingly. Maybe you need to talk to her and tell her where you're standing and what you do (and don't) feel; also I would suggest that you reflect upon the why you need someone to "fill" the void, be it either her, or other friends of yours, and work on yourself in such a manner that you don't need anyone to make you feel good. Until you learn to feel good with yourself, your happiness will always be dependent on outside circumstances and other people, and why would you want that. You will also become a much more pleasant company when you will feel comfortable with yourself. :smile:


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8891714 - 09/07/08 04:19 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

Quote:

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First off, I really don't see the difference between having sex with her and spending lots of time together, enjoying her company and stuff, and "having a relationship". :lol:

I don't think it's healthy to think that you are using her or she is using you, since both of you are in this together out of your own will. I'd advise you to think about why you feel so terrible and then act accordingly. Maybe you need to talk to her and tell her where you're standing and what you do (and don't) feel; also I would suggest that you reflect upon the why you need someone to "fill" the void, be it either her, or other friends of yours, and work on yourself in such a manner that you don't need anyone to make you feel good. Until you learn to feel good with yourself, your happiness will always be dependent on outside circumstances and other people, and why would you want that. You will also become a much more pleasant company when you will feel comfortable with yourself. :smile:




well it's not a relationship because there's no strong emotions behind it, and we also have the ability to have sex w/ others.

but I agree with what you're saying about being comfortable with yourself and being happy by yourself. And I am... I am very comfortable with myself and happy by myself, but sitting/laying in your bed all sunday, and everyday after class is not fun, and is boring. I don't mind it for awhile, but after enough time... you want to do other things.


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: Platinum]
    #8891795 - 09/07/08 04:34 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

The reason why I said that you might not feel comfortable with yourself was because you said that you needed her company because all your friends are out of town and you feel lonely. Feeling lonely point toward having some problems when it comes to dealing and coping with being alone, which in extent turns into loneliness.
Also, I think that it's a good idea to become honest with her and tell her exactly your thoughts because you have nothing to feel guilty about, since she is a responsible person and nobody dragged into having sex with you and hanging out. :shrug: Becoming honest with her might also help you into relieving some other anxieties that you have.


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8891841 - 09/07/08 04:42 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

Quote:

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The reason why I said that you might not feel comfortable with yourself was because you said that you needed her company because all your friends are out of town and you feel lonely. Feeling lonely point toward having some problems when it comes to dealing and coping with being alone, which in extent turns into loneliness.
Also, I think that it's a good idea to become honest with her and tell her exactly your thoughts because you have nothing to feel guilty about, since she is a responsible person and nobody dragged into having sex with you and hanging out. :shrug: Becoming honest with her might also help you into relieving some other anxieties that you have.




interestingly enough, we have had this conversation. she says she doesn't want a relatinoship either and shes fine with how things are, yet there are many signs that point to her WANTING one. I cant help but feel like Im leading her on if that's that case.

And when I say lonely, I don't mean it in a depressing sense, where I just feel down and sad and upset. It's more like I just want to hang out with people but there's nobody to hang out with.  This also stems from issues as to WHY im home, and not away at college, because I was. But we don't really need to get into that.

And based on where this thread is going, definitely not a P&S thread... a mod can move it if they want.


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8891857 - 09/07/08 04:46 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

I'm pretty sure what's happening is you're just looking into it to much. I've spent time with girls like her and it's god damn confusion. It sounds to me just like a friends with benefits type deal. If she's not complaining or giving you hints that what you're doing when you're together isn't sufficient right now, then she's probably in it for the same exact reasons you are man. If you enjoy her company, and she enjoys yours - don't fuck it up and make yourself lonely because you're thinking to hard. It's good to have an outlet through another human being and perhaps you two just compliment one another for that reason, for the time being.


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: thekwazz]
    #8891933 - 09/07/08 05:03 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

Im pro truth always.
I think u should play clear, relationships are a natural thing to happen after this sex and company thing, or make it clear.

It means let her know about ur worries, can u two see other people?
If u have no strong feelings for her u should say u two are free to do whatever u want. Seeing other people will take away ur worries about relationship.


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: Mermaid]
    #8892419 - 09/07/08 06:41 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

He's already made it quite clear that they see other people.


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: thekwazz]
    #8892520 - 09/07/08 06:56 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

~dill's girlfriend~

Girls are not always honest with how they feel;
if you tell her that you don't want a relationship
she might say the same because she thinks there is potential {if she wants one},
she might be afraid to break it off.

Or she might just want to have a friend with benefits kinda thing
{girls are gay and don't always say what is on their mind}

Honestly, feeling lonely is normal;
humans are naturally social creatures.
We want to be around other humans to interact and have fun.
I would suggest maybe making a few other friends
if you feel like you are leading this girl on.
Maybe you could go visit some of your other friends
at school every couple of weekends or something.
But making new friends is always good!  :grin:


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: dill705]
    #8892795 - 09/07/08 07:45 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

Quote:

dill705 said:
~dill's girlfriend~

Girls are not always honest with how they feel;
if you tell her that you don't want a relationship
she might say the same because she thinks there is potential {if she wants one},
she might be afraid to break it off.

Or she might just want to have a friend with benefits kinda thing
{girls are gay and don't always say what is on their mind}

Honestly, feeling lonely is normal;
humans are naturally social creatures.
We want to be around other humans to interact and have fun.
I would suggest maybe making a few other friends
if you feel like you are leading this girl on.
Maybe you could go visit some of your other friends
at school every couple of weekends or something.
But making new friends is always good!  :grin:




finally... it takes a girl to understand. you hit my worries on the head right here:

Quote:

Girls are not always honest with how they feel;
if you tell her that you don't want a relationship
she might say the same because she thinks there is potential {if she wants one},
she might be afraid to break it off.




but heres the problem. meeting people is a huge issue for me right now. at school, i go to community college, everybody is there to go to class and go home. very few people are there to meet people. and i have nothing to do if i were to go out... where to go, what to do. im at a strange place right now i guess.

IDK - like i said, im at a weird time in my life. dont really know what i want to do with myself, i guess im pretty confused right now.


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: Platinum]
    #8893009 - 09/07/08 08:20 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

The reason you are confused is because you are caught up in the game of games. It seems neither one of you is being completely honest, and because of that feelings may get hurt.

Take a breather and think with your head... NOT THAT ONE... the other one. Guilt is not a pleasant emotion and it builds bad character. I suggest you take the higher path and do what you feel is profitable for her and you; be honest and respectful.

Perhaps you will even see inside yourself that you are in fact developing a close relationship with her, as MushroomTrip pointed out, and there is nothing wrong with going out with a girl that is a little on the uncomfortable side. Obviously you find her attractive enough to have sex with, and comfortable enough to hang out with... is that not enough? What does it take to feed your craving, friend?


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: psyka]
    #8893199 - 09/07/08 08:48 PM (2 months, 26 days ago)

Here's a little insight as to who I am... or at least was, sometimes it's hard to say who we are at the moment because we are... well, caught up in the moment.

I have a history of sleeping with girls, and losing interest. I'll have sex with them for awhile, be nice and all, im not a dick. but then id lost interest and move on to the next girl. couple weeks ago i lost interest in her, but then it came back.


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right (moved)
    #8893811 - 09/07/08 10:50 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

This thread was moved from Philosophy & Spirituality.

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Platinum said:
And based on where this thread is going, definitely not a P&S thread... a mod can move it if they want.




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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: Platinum]
    #8893835 - 09/07/08 10:55 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Maybe just keep that open channel of letting her know that you don't want a relationship with her....(?)
Keeping on with what could be considered a relationship without those blatant reminders could be deceiving her into thinking that you are in one....

I would also ask her what her intents are on spending money on you and "gifting" you with stuff....


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: dill705]
    #8894825 - 09/08/08 04:56 AM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Quote:

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~dill's girlfriend~

Girls are not always honest with how they feel;
if you tell her that you don't want a relationship
she might say the same because she thinks there is potential {if she wants one},
she might be afraid to break it off.

Or she might just want to have a friend with benefits kinda thing
{girls are gay and don't always say what is on their mind}




Really? And may I ask, how in the world are you talking for all the girls? Don't you think you're making a horrible and misleading over-generalization?
It might be true that some girls lie about their intention, as well as some boys do. No reason to say that this shit applies for all the girls out there. Besides, I don't think it is a good advise to tell someone that they might be taking advantage of the girl they're dating just because she might have personal issues about telling the truth. Even if she was lying, the one that obviously has to change their behavior is her, not him.


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Re: Personal Happiness vs What's Right [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8896545 - 09/08/08 02:14 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

dill705 said:
~dill's girlfriend~

Girls are not always honest with how they feel;
if you tell her that you don't want a relationship
she might say the same because she thinks there is potential {if she wants one},
she might be afraid to break it off.

Or she might just want to have a friend with benefits kinda thing
{girls are gay and don't always say what is on their mind}




Really? And may I ask, how in the world are you talking for all the girls? Don't you think you're making a horrible and misleading over-generalization?
It might be true that some girls lie about their intention, as well as some boys do. No reason to say that this shit applies for all the girls out there. Besides, I don't think it is a good advise to tell someone that they might be taking advantage of the girl they're dating just because she might have personal issues about telling the truth. Even if she was lying, the one that obviously has to change their behavior is her, not him.




~dill's girlfriend~
I said:
"Girls are not always honest with how they feel..."
I never said that "all the girls out there" lie about their feelings,
I simply wanted him to see how some girls act,
look at the situation from a diff. perspective.
I never tried to generalize all girls as liars.
I also never said that she is not in the wrong.
He can't help it if she is lying to him.
I just wanted to make him aware that she might,
in fact, be lying about her feelings.
I never said she was for sure lying and I never said all girls do lie about thier feelings.


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