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 sealorcawhale
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 Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Idiot]
#8886801 - 09/06/08 12:53 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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My gosh.
You are entitled to your belief.
I never said you were not.
i just pointed out a simple fact, Bashing people for there beliefs with negative personal responses is disrespectful.
i perceive i gain? what do you mean?
i HAVE GAINED!
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 Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: kay62105]
#8886834 - 09/06/08 01:01 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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I grew up a Christian but have come to think of organized religion in general as a joke. I have nothing against any religion and typically most "ACTUALLY" religious people are of good moral character and are able to raise successful families. That being said most people that say they are religious don't truly know much about their religion or any other, and I definitely don't agree with alot of the ideology and conservative nature of the Christian church as a whole (ex- I do drugs)....!!!
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thekwazz
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Idiot]
#8886962 - 09/06/08 01:44 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
Idiot said:
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sealorcawhale said:
i think its very funny how anti christ alot of people are.
The reason for this could be they they have to much hate in there lives.
dissing someone or there religion/beliefs like spitting in there face for no reason.
Remember that.
there's no equality in religious bashing and it is almost the same as Racism.
stop the fussing and fighting.
let people be themselves don;t try to change others only educate.
This thread, started by a theist, was an attack on agnostic/atheist understanding. Why is it that agnostics/atheists can have their beliefs bashed but we can't defend our beliefs. Christianity is the biggest basher of opposing religions of any religion I know of. Since the beginning of the religion 'believers' have gone out with intent to convert people from more understanding, kind, tolerant religions to Christianity.
Survivors of the Pol-Pot genocides in Cambodia who were lucky enough to make it to refugee camps would denounce Buddhism and undergo baptisms so that they would have a better chance of getting to America. This was because church organizations would do most of the American sponsorships, which I do respect, but personally I think that you shouldn't have to change your system of belief in order to receive help. Especial if your coming to a country that is supposed to be free of religious persecution.
If you want to see people who are happy without Christianity and still live good lives all you have to do is travel. Many other religions produce people with the same or more happiness than you perceive you gain from Christianity.
Fuckin a. You said it man. The idea of coming to America without religious persecution is just a poor misconception. Studies indicate that only about %15 of the entire world is atheist. It's just basically not accepted to have belief in nothing. If you want to get by in this world you need friends. Imaginary friends at the least.
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Theosis, aye? I prefer self-apotheosis myself. 
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Idiot
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First off, I'm sorry if my response seemed aggressive. It's just a weird double standard I've never really understood. Children who are atheists but don't know what atheism is get to go to church and receive persecution from a priest or a consular for them being so different and 'sinful'.
Many religious people perceive they gain happiness through religion. I believe that no mater who you are you gain emotion through experience. One doesn't gain happiness through faith in god, one gains happiness through having a place to go where they can gather with many like minded people and partake in activities that all participating enjoy. The faithfull gain discomfort or anger through inadvertently attending a heavy metal concert, or by taking their children to see "ATHF Colon Movie Film for Theatres" respectively.
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sealorcawhale
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Idiot]
#8887281 - 09/06/08 03:29 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Well People that believe in religion are one thing. people that believe in God are another....
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: deCypher]
#8887535 - 09/06/08 04:43 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Indeed. But the transformation is never accomplished by mere ego, but by God or the gods...in other words, by a Transpersonal or Transcendental Ego.
"Joseph Campbell, in his book The Hero With a Thousand Faces, writes that the Universal Hero from monomyth must pass through a stage of Apotheosis. According to Campbell, apotheosis is the expansion of consciousness that the hero experiences after defeating his foe. Arthur C Clarke has the Overlords refer to Mankind's apotheosis at the end of Childhood's End, when the world's children evolve into their union with the Overmind (see also post-human)." From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotheosis
And then, there is apocatastasis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocatastasis.
At best, each of us is an Eternal Idea in the Mind of God, a Platonic Form manifested outside of Pure Consciousness, yet suffused with Pure Consciousness - a vapor-filled bubble in an Infinite Ocean - the universe.
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sealorcawhale
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one could say we are all floating in space...
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in a 100 years all YOUR worries are over.
(my grandma's quote)
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thekwazz
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Mermaid]
#8888291 - 09/06/08 08:17 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
Mermaid said:
in a 100 years all YOUR worries are over.
(my grandma's quote)
As if to say, you're going to die, don't worry about it?
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: thekwazz]
#8891024 - 09/07/08 01:46 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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It means,
you have a 100 years here to do whatever u have to do
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thekwazz
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Mermaid]
#8891052 - 09/07/08 01:55 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Oh. Not me. I'll be dead by 60. I'm sure of it.
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kay62105
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Arden]
#8893036 - 09/07/08 08:23 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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ok this is the last thing i am going to post for this topic. I was never bashing atheist/agnostics. I never meant to say that any one elses religions were wrong. or that i feel like i am in a win/win situation, and i dont understand why everyone thinks i am preachin or judging. I am christian and love god out of faith and not practicality, and was just wondering how other people feel about it. Sorry that you all think my religion is so stupid. I dont believe that any religion gives you a right to judge others. I really appreciate evryones input and opinions! Especially the ones who stayed on topic with the only question i had. it really turned out to be a great information session!
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: kay62105]
#8893757 - 09/07/08 10:35 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Maybe if your question wasn't utter nonsense to begin with, you would have gotten better answers to it.
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Basically to sum it up, how can you be any worse off by not believing in god and life after this world?
This assumes that you would be "worse off by not believing in god and life after this world".
I think what you were trying to ask is.....
If everything I believe is wrong, am I any worse off for it?
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: blewmeanie]
#8893823 - 09/07/08 10:52 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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It was a good question and stirred up some great discussions, thank you. And don't feel bad if people try to make feel stupid because you're a Christian- they like to in order to validate their own beliefs.
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blewmeanie
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Quote:
Truthseeker316 said:
It was a good question and stirred up some great discussions, thank you. And don't feel bad if people try to make feel stupid because you're a Christian- they like to in order to validate their own beliefs.
It wasnt a question at all, it was a statement.
What if I were to ask; how can you be any worse off by believing in god and life after this world?
Its a statement masquerading as a question.....complete nonsense.
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kay62105
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: blewmeanie]
#8895099 - 09/08/08 07:23 AM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Quote:
It wasnt a question at all, it was a statement.
What if I were to ask; how can you be any worse off by believing in god and life after this world?
Its a statement masquerading as a question.....complete nonsense.
ques·tion –noun
1. a sentence in an interrogative form, addressed to someone in order to get information in reply.
2. a problem for discussion or under discussion; a matter for investigation.
3. a matter of some uncertainty or difficulty; problem (usually fol. by of): It was simply a question of time.
4. a subject of dispute or controversy.
it was a question not nonsense, and why are you so mad about me asking it in the first place?
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blewmeanie
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: kay62105]
#8895119 - 09/08/08 07:33 AM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Apparently you dont understand your own bias. I'm not mad at you, I would however like you to understand what a loaded question you've asked.
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"Basically to sum it up, how can you be any worse off by not believing in god and life after this world?"
The way in which it is worded only allows for one possible answer. Its ok, it happens, I catch myself doing the same thing at times. Thankfully people call me on my shit.
For instance, If I were to ask you....
How can you be so blind to the bias within what you have written?
It doesn't allow for any possible reply other than the one I have implied, making it a statement hidden as a question.
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Gazing through the
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I know in my heart these swarms
are the craft of surpassing wisdom.
Edited by blewmeanie (09/08/08 07:40 AM)
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: blewmeanie]
#8895399 - 09/08/08 09:18 AM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Rather like "When did you stop beating your wife?" 
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Veritas]
#8895566 - 09/08/08 10:17 AM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Worse off = Not being able to stay home on sundays.
Worse off = have to talk to wierd people who want to hug me and say wierd things like "Jesus loves you" when my only question is "then how come you are just pretending to love me? "
Worse off = having to listen to endless sermons about something that is usually neither here nor there.
Worse off = expectations of behavior and thought from those same people.
Better off = might go to heaven when you die..... but then....
Worse off = get to spend eternity with those same annoying people.
As far as it being a question or not......
The answer is met in pascals wager, I could believe...... But, I would only be believing for the sake of my eternal skin, and besides the fact that God would probably know that......
...Some of us just arent comfortable finding our spirituality in our own fear of death.
A lack of a reason, "why not?"
Is no reason , and no faith at all.
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