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 DebuteMachine
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 Ego Death - Reset button?
#8889614 - 09/07/08 02:58 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger."
We've all heard this before. But does it really matter if you kill yourself?
Lets all say that when you experience a psychedelic you are actually killing your ego, hence ego death. We've all experienced it. For all the times you've fucked up and said 'I wish that never happened' and all the scars you've gotten you could just wash them off; with one trip.
A gram of mushrooms, a tab of LSD, a few HBWR seeds, a toke of DMT...
But what if you haven't had any of those moments recently? Any situation where you feel regret drawing on you could just diminish by going "arrgh!" and its gone. Is tripping necessary? Is tripping acceptable?
I suppose if you are just looking for fun maybe getting drunk would be the better choice, than trying to trip your balls off on some mushrooms.
What do you all think about this insight? That tripping is almost like a reset button.
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Re: Ego Death - Reset button? [Re: DahuiHeeNalu]
#8889684 - 09/07/08 03:58 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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well if you decide to get drunk instead, it can turn into an addiction a lot more easily. of course a lot of people just do both, in which case i don't think it really matters.
actually i dont even know what youre asking exactly.
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Re: Ego Death - Reset button? [Re: porcupine]
#8889743 - 09/07/08 04:49 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Soft Reset, sure 
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Re: Ego Death - Reset button? [Re: twighead]
#8890323 - 09/07/08 10:27 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Well, Not really sure what you are asking...
I dont think you ego really dies. Have yet to meet an egoless person....
A nice hard trip is kinda like a "soft reboot" for me as another poster implied.
It helps me remeber my place in the greater scheme of things, Sometimes, In my "life" I forget who I am and start acting like the rest, shallow, greedy, bitter, unforgiving and vengeful, the stresses pull me under.
And... then, I take a trip. And sortof remeber how unimportant all those things and actions really are to the ESSENSE of my REAL life on this planet.
No. I dont think you -need- drugs. Yes, I think they can help.
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Re: Ego Death - Reset button? [Re: Shad0w]
#8890445 - 09/07/08 11:06 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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I agree with shadow on this.I have always told people about why I trip if asked. I feel it does "reset" you.It makes me say,"oh yeah,that's what it is all about,that is how it works" to myself.Then I forget and have to remind myself again!:)
As a matter of fact I have to remind myself next month.I almost forgot to remind myself!
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DebuteMachine
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Okay well let me pose the question in a simpler format.
When you trip and experience ego death, does your ego come back the way it was before, or can you really say you were born a new person?
Example, one night I was running around smoking pot and some dudes drove up in a car and confronted us with a gun. I ended up getting pistol whipped in the face and am a little leary about going out at night around here.
Would I still have this fear after tripping?
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Ego death is pretty uncommon really. When most people say ego death they mean ego dilation/reduction. My ego has only been properly killed off once, in about 20+ trips.
But when your ego does die, it's probably best to think of dieing and being brought back to life, rather than being reborn!
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DebuteMachine said:
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger."
I think that sentence is false. Would having both of your legs amputated make you stronger? It's easy to think up direct contradictions to this moronic statement. Suppose you don't eat, to the point just before death, are you any stronger? No, you're weaker. What if you survive cancer? Often people who survive cancer become weak after losing weight.
Now, the objection may be made that the statement is really mean to emphasize learning from loss, but I still think it's just stupid.
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But does it really matter if you kill yourself?
Well, it matters to me if I kill myself. My family and friends would probably think it matters to them. Though, I don't suppose it'd matter to you if I killed myself.
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Lets all say that when you experience a psychedelic you are actually killing your ego, hence ego death.
The term "ego death" is inaccurate. To be without ego is to lack all subjectivity; it is to lose the functional "I" through which conscious experience functions. If your ego is dead, then you are unconscious and so not experiencing anything, including a psychedelic drug trip.
Ego death. The term is stupid. The ideology about its wonder and utility is completely misguided. Aiming for ego death is to aim for a vague goal without any critical thinking.
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We've all experienced it.
Balls.
Big fucking balls and bullshit, I says.
*EXPERIENCING* ego death is impossible by definition.
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Is tripping necessary? Is tripping acceptable?
Your post is degrading into non sequitur.
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I suppose if you are just looking for fun maybe getting drunk would be the better choice, than trying to trip your balls off on some mushrooms.
I think shrooms are way more fun than ethanol. YMMV.
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What do you all think about this insight? That tripping is almost like a reset button.
Huh? Where is that insight in your post?
The "tripping = reset buttons" is cliche. Heard it a bunch of times. It's a poor technological analogy. It's not even an insight. It's just sloppy thinking and lazy creativity.
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Re: Ego Death - Reset button? [Re: Plasmid]
#8890950 - 09/07/08 01:24 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Plasmid said:
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DebuteMachine said:
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Lets all say that when you experience a psychedelic you are actually killing your ego, hence ego death.
The term "ego death" is inaccurate. To be without ego is to lack all subjectivity; it is to lose the functional "I" through which conscious experience functions. If your ego is dead, then you are unconscious and so not experiencing anything, including a psychedelic drug trip.
I would say that ego is only a sense of self - and it is very possible to lose all sense of self. Doesn't mean you are unconscious.
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Re: Ego Death - Reset button? [Re: twighead]
#8891198 - 09/07/08 02:35 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Plasmid I don't mean to offend, but that post was really annoying. We're talking philosophical here, I don't think you have proof to show anything is wrong or right. Please don't speak in absolutes.
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BrainChemistry
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I dunno if i've experienced what you consider full on ego death, but I defintely something close. I had a trip on 4g's of shrooms once that basically permanently altered my thought patterns.
2 years after the fact....I'm starting to reconnect with some of my old thought habits, but I still consider myself an entirely different person.
So I vote yes to the reset button idea.
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"By the way," Hawking added, "ever think about what'd happen if you, say, went back in time and accidentally killed your own younger self? Man, that shit would be so fucked up."
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I can understand viewing 'shrooms as a reset button. Although, I wouldn't take 'shrooms if I had a ton of problems to deal with. I like to enter my trips with a clean mind.
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Re: Ego Death - Reset button? [Re: Boots]
#8891256 - 09/07/08 02:50 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Are shrooms a complete ego death reset button?
my vote: 
Just my opinion though. everyone is entitled to his or her own.
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Re: Ego Death - Reset button? [Re: maysrome]
#8891336 - 09/07/08 03:09 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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maysrome said:
Are shrooms a complete ego death reset button?
my vote:
Just my opinion though. everyone is entitled to his or her own.
Could you be a little more specific? I'm sure if you took 1g of shrooms you wouldn't experience much ego loss or death. But at higher doses, with any psychedelics, there is some ego loss and ego death.
What I wonder is if you kill your ego, or lose some of it, do you retain your bad habits upon rebirth? Or are you even being reborn and your ego just simply returns.
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BrainChemistry
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I pretty sure its all about your personal brain chemistry. Some people are probably more susceptible to ego loss than others, just like other people hallucinate more intensely than others.
Speaking from experience, I would think full ego death would mean that you lose all connection with your past self. I would imagine you still have all your memories, but all you wouldnt feel connected to them in any way.
I experienced this in a moderate way, in the sense that I remember things from my childhood but I can't recall the emotions I felt, or if I do, I can't see myself reacting in the same way.
Once you lose your ego, I would guess it slowly returns, using your new experiences to build itself. Hence, you would feel like a completely different. person.
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"By the way," Hawking added, "ever think about what'd happen if you, say, went back in time and accidentally killed your own younger self? Man, that shit would be so fucked up."
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DebuteMachine
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All this talk makes me wonder what the hell is the ego? Its not your memory (which is a GOOD thing) it can't be your emotions. Is it part of your brain?
I have no fuckin clue.
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I think ego death should be defined as not being able to accurately discern what is actually your body and what is not. You would have to be on a super high dose of psychedelics for this to ACTUALLY happen, I would think....usually you just think you're dead cause your thoughts are what take over during a trip. Especially on LSD.
Your ego, is your connection to your body. An ego-less person would be someone that only has like, their head in a jar yet is still alive. In this case, they have "nothing to lose" and yes, they are stronger by that definition. There is nothing you can take away from them. Shoot them in the face and they're gone, of course, but it's painless. Remove the body and you've removed all possibility of pain (physical).
Someone who has somehow been able to "dissolve" their ego without losing their body-form, has transcended normal reality, and thus, cannot be affected by anything. If someone were to insult them on their "hair/msucle/weight/height/looks/penis/etc, they would not be offended, because they have no attachment to their ego (no attachment to their view of their body).
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Re: Ego Death - Reset button? [Re: Plasmid]
#8891463 - 09/07/08 03:29 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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What doesn't kill you... merely postpones the inevitable. 
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Plasmid said:
The term "ego death" is inaccurate. To be without ego is to lack all subjectivity; it is to lose the functional "I" through which conscious experience functions. If your ego is dead, then you are unconscious and so not experiencing anything, including a psychedelic drug trip
Yes, during ego death you lose the functional "I"; that sense of self that restricts your consciousness to a impenetrable prison of self-identity. However, this is not the only the thing through which conscious experience functions. If you don't like the name of ego death, then simply call it something else: dissolution of the boundaries of the self, a mystical experience, or even gnosis suffices. But the actual experience is far different from unconsciousness, which is what you seem to be implying. With unconsciousness, you are not experiencing anything. With ego death, there is no you--there is simply everything observing itself.
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what he said!
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