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 demius
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 Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: Mermaid]
#8887833 - 09/06/08 06:02 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Mermaid said:
Yes,
but no matter what religion u are, individually, what if u knew the river is a sick old beautiful lady in a very bad situation, alone
would u throw stuff at Her?
is about the way humans SEE nature.
No respect.
Cut a tree, but plant 2 more.
personally, no, i wouldn't throw things in the river. i don't have respect for the water, but the life that lives in the water. and i'm not disagreeing with you about that issue at all
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 Geekhorse
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Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: demius]
#8888305 - 09/06/08 08:23 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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I find this pagan idea of humanising everything almost insulting to my intelligence. The idea that people should treat a river like a sick old lady, is getting dangerously close to dogmatic simplification, and I cant say I support that.
The worlds resources are running out, its that simple, the sun will die and all life on earth by that point will be inorganic matter. Humans are earth's only chance off this dying rock, so I really think we should be encouraging technology and sustainability.
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Oweyervishice
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Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: Geekhorse]
#8888319 - 09/06/08 08:29 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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It's not humanizing everything, it's realizing that everything is linked and treating nature with respect helps humanity. You don't have to literally think of a river as a goddess.
We can advance technology and still respect nature.
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demius
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Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: Geekhorse]
#8888320 - 09/06/08 08:29 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Geekhorse said:
I find this pagan idea of humanising everything almost insulting to my intelligence. The idea that people should treat a river like a sick old lady, is getting dangerously close to dogmatic simplification, and I cant say I support that.
The worlds resources are running out, its that simple, the sun will die and all life on earth by that point will be inorganic matter. Humans are earth's only chance off this dying rock, so I really think we should be encouraging technology and sustainability.
few people are encouraging sustainability and fewer are living it. you do realize that even if our species makes it to another planet, the same fate will pass. everything will die, why try to escape it?
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Boots
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Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: Mermaid]
#8888342 - 09/06/08 08:36 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Self-interest. That's what motivates my actions. Getting back to Nature or showing respect to it as an entity does not interest me nor does it make me happy.
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Oweyervishice
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Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: demius]
#8888381 - 09/06/08 08:45 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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demius said:
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Geekhorse said:
I find this pagan idea of humanising everything almost insulting to my intelligence. The idea that people should treat a river like a sick old lady, is getting dangerously close to dogmatic simplification, and I cant say I support that.
The worlds resources are running out, its that simple, the sun will die and all life on earth by that point will be inorganic matter. Humans are earth's only chance off this dying rock, so I really think we should be encouraging technology and sustainability.
few people are encouraging sustainability and fewer are living it. you do realize that even if our species makes it to another planet, the same fate will pass. everything will die, why try to escape it?
Especially if we're going to ruin everything we had in the first place to do it. 
But! That's no reason to cut off technology. We just need to work in harmony with nature.
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demius
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Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: Oweyervishice]
#8888456 - 09/06/08 09:04 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Oweyervishice said:
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demius said:
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Geekhorse said:
I find this pagan idea of humanising everything almost insulting to my intelligence. The idea that people should treat a river like a sick old lady, is getting dangerously close to dogmatic simplification, and I cant say I support that.
The worlds resources are running out, its that simple, the sun will die and all life on earth by that point will be inorganic matter. Humans are earth's only chance off this dying rock, so I really think we should be encouraging technology and sustainability.
few people are encouraging sustainability and fewer are living it. you do realize that even if our species makes it to another planet, the same fate will pass. everything will die, why try to escape it?
Especially if we're going to ruin everything we had in the first place to do it.
But! That's no reason to cut off technology. We just need to work in harmony with nature.
*live
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Oweyervishice
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Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: demius]
#8888474 - 09/06/08 09:08 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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demius said:
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Oweyervishice said:
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demius said:
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Geekhorse said:
I find this pagan idea of humanising everything almost insulting to my intelligence. The idea that people should treat a river like a sick old lady, is getting dangerously close to dogmatic simplification, and I cant say I support that.
The worlds resources are running out, its that simple, the sun will die and all life on earth by that point will be inorganic matter. Humans are earth's only chance off this dying rock, so I really think we should be encouraging technology and sustainability.
few people are encouraging sustainability and fewer are living it. you do realize that even if our species makes it to another planet, the same fate will pass. everything will die, why try to escape it?
Especially if we're going to ruin everything we had in the first place to do it.
But! That's no reason to cut off technology. We just need to work in harmony with nature.
*live
Gotta work to live.
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Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: Oweyervishice]
#8889012 - 09/06/08 11:35 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Why is it so important to sustain life by leaving the planet and populating/destroying another planet. The resources may be running out but it will only be few thousand years before the resources are replenished. That may seem like a long time but life has been around for millions of years so a few thousand years is just a pin prick of the time life has been around. If life can survive tens of thousands of years of ice age without the brain size of a human then with this physical attribute we should be able to not only survive such a devastating occurrence but reverse/prevent the ice age quicker than the first major ice age life witnessed. The only thing we need to worry about is things we can't effect, such as the Earths magnetic field. Its in the process of switching poles right now and its weakening as well so our major problem is not destroying our atmosphere ourselves but the sun blowing away our atmosphere. But we still have millions of years before that happens so whatever.
Personally, no mater how bad we fuck ourselves over, I think we will be able to survive. The only thing I think will destroy human life on Earth is universal nature (i.e. astrological events removing our atmosphere). As long as we have an atmosphere we will be OK, our atmosphere has been devastated before but Earthly nature has been able to repair it, it just take a long amount of alone time.
This dosent mean I think I'm cool to live in excess and spray arisol into our atmosphere and polute water and land at will. It just means I don't think we're as fucked as everyone thinks.
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Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: Idiot]
#8889100 - 09/07/08 12:01 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Idiot said:
The only thing we need to worry about is things we can't effect
Huh?
Why worry about something that we can't change? The things we should focus our attention on are the things we CAN do something about.
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redgreenvines
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Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: Oweyervishice]
#8889568 - 09/07/08 02:30 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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if you say "spirit of the river" or like an old lady, you are referring to the part of the river that is not visible, the idea of resources, the idea of flowing and the water cycle, and the idea of all the life forms dependent within and upon that river are the invisible spirit of that old lady.
it is just a manner of speaking.
people used to use the term spirit and mind synonymously, and all ideas are spiritual. they are invisible and they are powerful.
i see many attempts at denying this and those attempts at being "logical" are often brutish.
the spirit of the river is in us if we are wise, i.e. more ideas and clues to the river's importance to self and others.
i.e. interconnectedness which is the most spiritual of all the ideas.
and the unique ability of humans to make things better.
I think if I say that people will call me a pagan.
it involves seeing life in ideas, and not denying responsibility.
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Re: Pagans and Nature Philosophy [Re: redgreenvines]
#8890511 - 09/07/08 11:26 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Exactly,
And im not ever gonna blame the "progress and technology", I need technology to live, and I work with technology.
But it seems humans got themselves separated from nature in a way (when Chistianity came along, the focus on earth and nature turned away to worship a God that is apart from humans) and the results we re gonna watch it now
yes, I see the river (any river) as an entity, and so are the trees.
Gotta work in harmony with nature.
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MisterMuscaria said:
Im a pagan myself.
I'm jaded.
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I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” ~Stephen Roberts
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