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Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds
September 7, 2008 - kalamazoogazette.com
KALAMAZOO -- Eight young people were hospitalized recently for days after trying to get high by eating poisonous seed pods from moonflowers, two local health officials said.
The patients were all males ranging in age from 14 to 21, and six of them were treated in the past two weeks at Bronson Methodist Hospital when they experienced hallucinations and became combative after ingesting the seeds, said Dr. Alison Sikes, a psychiatrist with Michigan State University's Kalamazoo Center for Medical Studies. The two other males were treated at Bronson in June, she said.
``The kids have made it clear they were just basically trying to get high,'' Sikes said.
Sikes said she can't pinpoint a specific reason for the recent spurt in hospital admissions linked to the seeds of the moonflower, an annual plant that gets its name because it blooms at dusk. And while there are no indications the seeds are addictive or have any long-term health effects if treatment is received, she said ingesting the seeds causes impairment, combativeness, confusion and urine retention that could potentially lead to kidney failure.
The seeds also cause dilated pupils, blurred vision and constipation. Sikes said the patients treated at Bronson experienced visual hallucinations and hallucinations of things crawling on them.
``I suspect that kids do things like this because it's not illegal like marijuana, and they perceive it's safer,'' Sikes said. ``But it's not safe.''
Sikes said five of the patients treated at Bronson were from the Kalamazoo area and the other three were from Watervliet.
On average, each patient spent two to three days at Bronson after being admitted and at least four of the males were placed in the facility's intensive-care unit.
The first two patients were treated separately, while the last six were treated after they came to the hospital in separate groups of three, Sikes said. Officials do not believe the use of the moonflower seeds among the two individuals and two groups is connected.
``From a public-health point of view, those kids might have died,'' said Dr. Michael Liepman, Sikes' colleague and an addiction psychiatrist with KCMS. ``As far as I'm concerned, this is an outbreak.''
Sikes said the effects of the moonflower seed pods are slow to start. Each of the eight young people treated at Bronson told doctors they initially took one to two seeds and then ingested more after they felt no immediate high.
Sikes said one of the patients indicated he decided to try the seed pods after learning on the Internet about them and their effects. One of the groups that was treated told doctors they got the seeds they used from a person who grew the flower.
``This is a manifestation of teen drug use,'' Liepman said. ``They weren't eating bagels with moonflower seeds on them. They were intentionally ingesting them as a drug.''
Detective Sgt. Jim Coleman, of the Southwest Enforcement Team, a multijurisdictional drug unit, said he was not aware of the moonflower seeds' hallucinogenic effects or that young people locally were ingesting them until this week, when he was told about it during a meeting with officials from the Portage Police Department.
Coleman and Carrie Klein, chief assistant prosecutor for Kalamazoo County, both said they are not aware of any Michigan statute governing the legality of possessing or using moonflower seeds. The moonflower is available in a few species.
Kay Wedel, greenhouse manager at Wedel's in Texas Township, said moonflowers with white petals are typically the most popular purchase among the species. Although it is an annual, the flower typically reseeds itself at the beginning of the spring season, she said. Moonflower seeds are among the store's most popular for planting, Wedel said.
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: veggie]
#8888887 - 09/06/08 10:56 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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`I suspect that kids do things like this because it's not illegal like marijuana, and they perceive it's safer,'' Sikes said. ``But it's not safe.''
yeah its not safe educate the youth on this instead of the VERY SAFE marijuana.
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#8888958 - 09/06/08 11:14 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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It's a good thing safe alternatives like marijuana were not available to these individuals.
It's important to make sure the only consciousness altering substances freely available are highly dangerous as well, that way anyone evil enough to alter there consciousness will risk being harmed.
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: veggie]
#8889089 - 09/06/08 11:58 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Nice of them to provide such a specific name of the flower 
Moonflower can refer to:
* Datura species, including D. inoxia, from the Solanaceae
* Hylocereus species, from the Cactaceae
* Ipomoea species previously separated in Calonyction, including I. alba and I. turbinata, from the Convolvulaceae
* Mentzelia species, including M. pumila (Velcro Stickleaf), from the Loasaceae
From context, I think it's safe to assume it was a datura species.
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: Entropymancer]
#8889711 - 09/07/08 04:27 AM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Dilated pupils, blurred vision and constipation sounds like fun.... 
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: Brainiac]
#8890582 - 09/07/08 11:52 AM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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...there are no indications the seeds are addictive or have any long-term health effects if treatment is received...
What's the remedy for "moonflower," anyways?
I don't mean to promote irresponsible use, but this seems like something that sitters ought to have on hand.
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500 A.D. - "Here, eat this root."
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1940 A.D. - "That potion is snake oil, swallow this pill."
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 Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: veggie]
#8890707 - 09/07/08 12:26 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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``This is a manifestation of teen drug use,'' Liepman said. ``They weren't eating bagels with moonflower seeds on them. They were intentionally ingesting them as a drug.''
What a moron! If this is a "manifestation" (a common word, common men use to sound intelligent) of anything it is of the youth of america's despirite attempt to escape reality when all the safe alternatives have been removed! It is dumb assholes like this that can't figure out why somebody would try datura. YOU'VE TAKEN EVERTYTHING ELSE AWAY! If people are thirsty enough they will drink gasoline once all the wine has been taken.
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: PreyToGod]
#8890813 - 09/07/08 12:51 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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also, who eats bagels with datura seeds on them? lawl
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: golden1]
#8890882 - 09/07/08 01:07 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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My buddy said he tried this stuff when he were 16 or so. It was 5 of them that ate it.
He said it was like 5 hours before it kicked in.
Before 3:00 a.m. all but 1 was in the hospital, admitted by their parents. Except for my buddy, whose mom was the dumb bitch who suggested they try it.
That was just because everyone else went home.
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: Entropymancer]
#8890888 - 09/07/08 01:08 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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What treachery lies behind your powdered
smile and perfumed hollows?
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: durian_2008]
#8891122 - 09/07/08 02:13 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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What's the remedy for "moonflower," anyways?
There is none, you just have to wait for it to wear off.
Some people report slight benefits from depressants like Valium.
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#8891325 - 09/07/08 03:06 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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yeah are there any drugs that reduce or eliminate the intensity of a classic (LSD,Shrooms) hallucinogenic trip?
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Edited by Cognitive_Shift (09/07/08 03:11 PM)
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#8891458 - 09/07/08 03:28 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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To reduce the anxiety of a bad lsd/shroom trip you could use a benzo (ativan, valium, xanax, etc.) In a hospital setting they often use a shot of thorazine, which is a little extreme imo. Some people say an antidepresant (prozac, paxil, etc) helps. The best in most cases is just to talk someone down or ride it out.
For datura the drug used nowadays is physostigmine salicylate. In the event of a datura overdose, it is best to get someone to a hospital rather than ride it out, as it is poisonous and can be deadly.
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: veggie]
#8891715 - 09/07/08 04:19 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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thanks veg good info
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#8897174 - 09/08/08 04:32 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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Mainly, you guys are saying the treatment for Datura is to tranquilize people?
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A SHORT HISTORY OF MEDICINE:
"Doctor, I have an ear ache."
500 A.D. - "Here, eat this root."
1000 A.D. - "That root is heathen, say this prayer."
1850 A.D. - "That prayer is superstition, drink this potion."
1940 A.D. - "That potion is snake oil, swallow this pill."
1985 A.D. - "That pill is ineffective, take this antibiotic."
2000 A.D. - "That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this root!"
~Ron Lawrence, MD
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: durian_2008]
#8897237 - 09/08/08 04:42 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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durian_2008 said:
Mainly, you guys are saying the treatment for Datura is to tranquilize people?
go to a hospital. That shit can kill you, or allow you to seriously hurt yourself.
People are fucking idiots and likely will ingest too much.
I'd imagine the treatment is both symptomatic and specificly what's used for an atropine overdose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropine#Side_effects_and_overdose
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: durian_2008]
#8897264 - 09/08/08 04:48 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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durian_2008 said:
Mainly, you guys are saying the treatment for Datura is to tranquilize people?
No. Physostigmine salicylate is not a tranquilizer. It's an antidote for tropane alkaloid toxicity.
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Re: Eight people treated after eating moonflower seeds [MI] [Re: veggie]
#8897926 - 09/08/08 06:55 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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veggie said:Physostigmine salicylate is not a tranquilizer. It's an antidote for tropane alkaloid toxicity.
Thank you. Been Googling everything in these posts.
Tellingly, the symptoms of dose and overdose are exactly the same. Word to the wise.
What's interesting about this substance is that it produces effects which are the exact opposite of what datura creates, both symptomatically and pharmacologically.
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