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 Cognitive_Shift
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 2 most inherent human qualities
#8884342 - 09/05/08 09:23 PM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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Fear
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Lazyness
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"Freedom means being in control (either as an individual or as a member of a SMALL group) of the life-and-death issues of one's existence; food, clothing, shelter and defense against whatever threats there may be in one's environment. Freedom means having power; not the power to control other people but the power to control the circumstances of one's own life. One does not have freedom if anyone else (especially a large organization) has power over one, no matter how benevolently, tolerantly and permissively that power may be exercised. It is important not to confuse freedom with mere permissiveness."
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 deCypher
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The drive to survive, and the drive to reproduce.
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Cognitive_Shift
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: deCypher]
#8884376 - 09/05/08 09:33 PM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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yeah 
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"Freedom means being in control (either as an individual or as a member of a SMALL group) of the life-and-death issues of one's existence; food, clothing, shelter and defense against whatever threats there may be in one's environment. Freedom means having power; not the power to control other people but the power to control the circumstances of one's own life. One does not have freedom if anyone else (especially a large organization) has power over one, no matter how benevolently, tolerantly and permissively that power may be exercised. It is important not to confuse freedom with mere permissiveness."
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Romantican
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: deCypher]
#8884377 - 09/05/08 09:33 PM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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Chaos
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Ridin' the uppers and coastin' the downers.
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Crasher
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To kill and seek out pleasure.
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There are definite dangers to a police state. Just google police state, im sure you'll find something interesting somewhere.
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smmu
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: Crasher]
#8884577 - 09/05/08 10:30 PM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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I don't think that, inherently, there are any.
I think that we delude ourselves into thinking otherwise.
As humans we have an enormous power to overcome this delusion. Once we do, it is wonderful what we see. There is no greed, desires, or hate. All is unity.
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deCypher
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: smmu]
#8884719 - 09/05/08 11:14 PM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
smmu said:
I don't think that, inherently, there are any.
I think that we delude ourselves into thinking otherwise.
As humans we have an enormous power to overcome this delusion. Once we do, it is wonderful what we see. There is no greed, desires, or hate. All is unity.
But then inevitably the emotions that make us human (hate, love, the whole shebang) steps in again. As delightful as the purely cerebral cortex's idea of paradise (a thoughtless nirvana) may seem, the fundamentally raw stuff of violence and naked lust that makes us primal animals will step in.
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: deCypher]
#8884902 - 09/06/08 12:15 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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To begin
To end
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Know your self.
Know your substance.
Know your source.
Stop knowing what you are and realize what you could be.
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Oweyervishice
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We have a winner! 
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deCypher
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Quote:
ExplosiveMango said:
To begin
To end
But what of preservation? Can't forget about Vishnu.
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Oweyervishice
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: deCypher]
#8888398 - 09/06/08 08:49 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
The Cypher said:
Quote:
ExplosiveMango said:
To begin
To end
But what of preservation? Can't forget about Vishnu.
I guess "human qualities" could refer to the species as a whole, in which case...we don't know if it will end, yet! (though the evidence points towards an end..)
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vigilant_mind
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Have you seen Waking Life?
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Cognitive_Shift
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: vigilant_mind]
#8888645 - 09/06/08 10:02 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Waking life is an intersting movie, i like the free will explination
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"Freedom means being in control (either as an individual or as a member of a SMALL group) of the life-and-death issues of one's existence; food, clothing, shelter and defense against whatever threats there may be in one's environment. Freedom means having power; not the power to control other people but the power to control the circumstances of one's own life. One does not have freedom if anyone else (especially a large organization) has power over one, no matter how benevolently, tolerantly and permissively that power may be exercised. It is important not to confuse freedom with mere permissiveness."
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Romantican
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I really think we need to define these terms before we start trying to put names to them. Qualities can mean a lot of things and its too broad of a term.
But aside from that I feel that humans don't have two most inherent qualities. Thats pretty crazy. Just by trying to box in the possibilities of human behavior with this question makes it impossible to answer.
If you look throughout history humans aren't really that amazing. We only think what we are relative to what we know, which isn't even a sliver of knowledge at best. We're chaotic entities that are capable of a lot of things, we're part of a whole and because of that we do our part, whatever that is.
Of course we try to survive and "progress" and live our lives in whatever way we can. But trying to define two inherent human qualities seems a little odd when its obvious that humans are just inherently human.
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smmu
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: Romantican]
#8888937 - 09/06/08 11:08 PM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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very good.
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redgreenvines
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: deCypher]
#8889527 - 09/07/08 02:14 AM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
The Cypher said:
The drive to survive, and the drive to reproduce.
that is basic to our animal nature
even healing or licking of wounds is basic to animal nature.
even caring for children and schooling them is shared with other animals.
human nature engenders a few qualities that expand that circle:
human nature attempts to see more and to be more in life than just
what monkeys see and monkeys do.
i think all our artiface is about that rising past the rest of nature.
having been there and done that (risen above nature), now we have to return nature to a more natural state and become caretakers of our care taker.
so much of human nature is denial, even those who are completely untalented at anything else will deny that they are animals.
and those same animals will deny that they have to take care of the environment.
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Grapefruit
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: redgreenvines]
#8889885 - 09/07/08 07:29 AM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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IMO curiosity sets us apart
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redgreenvines
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: Grapefruit]
#8889927 - 09/07/08 07:53 AM (2 months, 27 days ago) |
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apart from what?
carnivores are innately curious.
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: Romantican]
#8891084 - 09/07/08 02:01 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Quote:
Romantican said:
I really think we need to define these terms before we start trying to put names to them.
I think we should recognize ourselves as we do these things simultaneously.
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Know your self.
Know your substance.
Know your source.
Stop knowing what you are and realize what you could be.
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Boots
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Re: 2 most inherent human qualities [Re: smmu]
#8891298 - 09/07/08 03:01 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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Quote:
smmu said:
I don't think that, inherently, there are any.
I think that we delude ourselves into thinking otherwise.
As humans we have an enormous power to overcome this delusion. Once we do, it is wonderful what we see. There is no greed, desires, or hate. All is unity.
I use to agree with you, but now I see things a little differently. Value is not inherent within life, but certain things, either by definition, or as the case with emotions are. Emotions are inherent and I think they always have been. However, fear and laziness are no more inherent than any other emotion.
Edited by Boots (09/07/08 03:02 PM)
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