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 SnowyJunglist
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 Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this?
#8879407 - 09/04/08 07:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Instead of crumbling and damaging the mycelium I would like to make 1 1/2" thick cakes and be able to safely lay the mini cakes on top of vermiculite and of course covered with a thinner layer of vermiculite on top. Im not a fan of crumbling at all.
Can I achieve this by using aluminum cans instead of jars and seperating each 1 1/2" layer of substrate using aluminum foil. For every layer of substrate I will poke 4 holes respectively, beforehand, layer substrate, rewrap the whole can in foil, seal the top, and boil or pressure cook.
Afterwards I can inoculate every single hole and put away. I think it would be a guessing game as to when each layer would be fully colonized, but I could guess that it would be faster then a normal jar. The Im left with all these mini cakes that I can case however I please.
Yay or nay?
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: SnowyJunglist]
#8879418 - 09/04/08 07:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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nay
it takes the mycelium like a day to repair itself i think.
and its faster if you crumble anyways so....
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: willowmp]
#8879443 - 09/04/08 07:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just a day? Years ago people used to say it took a week.
If thats true then obviously nay
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King Koopa
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: SnowyJunglist]
#8879461 - 09/04/08 08:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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2-3 days for mycelium to recover.
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: King Koopa]
#8879490 - 09/04/08 08:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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and does the recovery effort use up more nutrients from the brown rice flour??
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willowmp
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: SnowyJunglist]
#8879503 - 09/04/08 08:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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it like only took my mycelium a day to recover at 30% shake but actually breaking it up at 100% and introducing it to substrate may make it longer.
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: SnowyJunglist]
#8879539 - 09/04/08 08:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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SnowyJunglist said:
and does the recovery effort use up more nutrients from the brown rice flour??
Not if it was fully colonized.
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: SnowyJunglist]
#8879545 - 09/04/08 08:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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SnowyJunglist said:
Im not a fan of crumbling at all.
Why not? Most bulk grows are done by "crumbling" a fully colonized grain jar or bag into a bulk substrate. Crumbling a fully colonized cake is no different. Paul Stamets is a fan. You should be too.
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Can I achieve this by using aluminum cans instead of jars and seperating each 1 1/2" layer of substrate using aluminum foil. For every layer of substrate I will poke 4 holes respectively, beforehand, layer substrate, rewrap the whole can in foil, seal the top, and boil or pressure cook.
Afterwards I can inoculate every single hole and put away. I think it would be a guessing game as to when each layer would be fully colonized, but I could guess that it would be faster then a normal jar. The Im left with all these mini cakes that I can case however I please.
Yay or nay?
Nay simply based on the fact that you are seriously over complicating something that should be really simple. What benefit is there to not being able to see if your substrate is fully colonized? You could wait 4 weeks and open it up to find a substrate full of mold.
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: willowmp]
#8879576 - 09/04/08 08:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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willowmp said:
nay
it takes the mycelium like a day to repair itself i think.
and its faster if you crumble anyways so....
-I have always gotten faster results with cutting the cakes in slices(Smaller like cakes if you will) rather than crumbling.
-When you crumble the cake it will take more nutrients to be used for the mycelium to recover. Crumbling is way more abuse to the myc, rather than a few slices to a cake.
-Doesn't a leg that has 2 clean breaks, heal faster than a leg that got shattered all over?? (Yes the clean break will heal faster)
---Also so it doesn't get asked in the future, yes even if you just cut the cakes rather than crumbling, yes it will still fully colonize the whole casing(for the newbs)---
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: HazeyRoms]
#8879605 - 09/04/08 08:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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then doing some 2-3" cuts it is, thanks everyone
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: HazeyRoms]
#8879674 - 09/04/08 08:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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HazeyRoms said:
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willowmp said:
nay
it takes the mycelium like a day to repair itself i think.
and its faster if you crumble anyways so....
-I have always gotten faster results with cutting the cakes in slices(Smaller like cakes if you will) rather than crumbling.
-When you crumble the cake it will take more nutrients to be used for the mycelium to recover. Crumbling is way more abuse to the myc, rather than a few slices to a cake.
-Doesn't a leg that has 2 clean breaks, heal faster than a leg that got shattered all over?? (Yes the clean break will heal faster)
---Also so it doesn't get asked in the future, yes even if you just cut the cakes rather than crumbling, yes it will still fully colonize the whole casing(for the newbs)---
Learning something new everyday. Thanks.
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: SnowyJunglist]
#8880321 - 09/04/08 11:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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SnowyJunglist, I'm not sure if you are just intending to speed up colonization times or what, but it seems like you are adding a lot of work and guessing for little benefit. I like the idea of doing a bunch of jars with a liquid culture inoculate, cutting the cakes in half, and crumbling a few to fill in the gaps between the half cakes -- simple, effective, few chances to mess up.
What you are proposing sounds similar to doing a bunch of half pint jelly jars but seems to require more work and less assurance that everything is fully colonized. I'm not sure I am following you.
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: Mepher]
#8880407 - 09/05/08 12:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, I imagine you could just use 1/4 pint cakes instead of half pints. They colonize twice as fast, and are already at prime substrate depth when it comes to height. You just put some in a pan and throw jiffy on it if u want.
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: ray40cal]
#8882465 - 09/05/08 12:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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ray40cal said:
Well, I imagine you could just use 1/4 pint cakes instead of half pints. They colonize twice as fast, and are already at prime substrate depth when it comes to height. You just put some in a pan and throw jiffy on it if u want.
Thats ideal to me. Small 1/4 pint cakes makes for easy, safe casing. I'm going to do some experiments regarding flushes, fruit size, and speed. Damaging mycelium uses up nutrients in the repair process and why damage it when you don't have to. I'm going to start by cutting cakes and afterwards I'll find some 1/4 pint jars and report results from that. Cheers all
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Re: Instead of crumbling and casing, can I do this? [Re: SnowyJunglist]
#8882513 - 09/05/08 12:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's all I use is 1/4 pints for cakes. They usually put 2-3 dry grams avg. when dunked/rolled, and kept moist. Casing would probably be the same. Honestly though they colonize very fast from multispore if you noc it up in 4 different spots, they are close enough to each other they collide all over the cake; takes 1 week after germination (no incubating either) for them to get 100% white. Only thing i dont like about them as cakes is the once in a while freak cake that will be covered in very tiny tiny shrooms only 2 inches tall, but a looot of them... meaning weight will still be the same.
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