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 kay62105
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 ???Christianity???
#8875629 - 09/04/08 07:32 AM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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I have been reading a lot of posts in this philosiphy and spirituality board, and a lot of people keep repeating how sensless and useless it is to be christian. As in to believe in god and jesus as your savior. I dont undertsand why it is so hard to trust. I completely undertsand being very skeptical of the bible. A friend once told me that she thinks if she wrote a book, burried it in her back yard and told four generations later to dig it up, that they might believe whats in it too. Understandable, do not believe in the bible, i still do wether it was written to install rules or not, they are not bad rules to live by. you may want to call me stupid for believing all of this, but i think on here we are all pretty smart people. So i look at it this way. even if i am wrong. If there is no heaven, no immortal life after this one, no god, no one who died for your sins. Then you cant be any worse off to begin with by believing it, right? unless you feel thats going against something else then you truely do believe in something. If you believe in the big bang or theory of evolution. that we crawled out of the water, grew hair, then stood up and made fire then tell me this: why havent the species of plants or animals that have been here a billion years longer than us evovled intelectualy as well? A theory is not fact, sure we all percieve things around us very differently. Basically to sum it up, how can you be any worse off by believing in god and life after this world, or does anyone feel like they have anything to loose by believeng it?
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 Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: kay62105]
#8875813 - 09/04/08 08:36 AM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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Christianity is a good belief system if you want to be allowed to judge as God, and not be seen doing so by your fellow believers.
There's nothing wrong with declaring yourself right.
I guess some people just see that as a problem.
Subconsciously judge so that you may be judges, after all. (edit: hopefully this isn't too esoteric, may as well clarify. "Judge not lest ye be judged.")
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: kay62105]
#8875818 - 09/04/08 08:37 AM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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i just dont understand why everyone seems to cruel to the christian belief. Basically to sum it up, how can you be any worse off by not believing in god and life after this world?
IMO you need to open your eyes. Cruel to the Christian belief? Who's being cruel? Because we know how much damage a religion like this has done to individuals and whole civilizations. Here's the reason, from my extensive experience in the Christian world why people believe in this God. Because they're afraid of going to hell. Because they are ashamed of being who and what they are. This is taught by your religion. That we are all worthless sinners and only can be made whole by the grace of a God who will send you to hell for eternity if you don't obey.
So if you want to post here about your beliefs then go for it but don't expect us to just go along or try to protect your sensitive feelings.
Personally I think religions like this are very dangerous to our survival as a species.
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Icelander]
#8875861 - 09/04/08 08:47 AM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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So i look at it this way. even if i am wrong. If there is no heaven, no immortal life after this one, no god, no one who died for your sins. Then you cant be any worse off to begin with by believing it, right?
In philosophy that argument is known as Pascal's Wager, and frankly, it's stupid.
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Arden]
#8875893 - 09/04/08 08:57 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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Pascal's Wager ignores the fact that an omniscient being would see that you're attempting to deceive Him/Her by believing out of practicality rather than true faith.
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Arden]
#8875903 - 09/04/08 09:03 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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Here's the reason, from my extensive experience in the Christian world why people believe in this God. Because they're afraid of going to hell. Because they are ashamed of being who and what they are. This is taught by your religion. That we are all worthless sinners and only can be made whole by the grace of a God who will send you to hell for eternity if you don't obey.
So if you want to post here about your beliefs then go for it but don't expect us to just go along or try to protect your sensitive feelings.
I never expected anyone to go along with my beliefs or what i said, i was expressing how i feel and what i read, and mostly asking if anyone feels if they are better off not believeing it, when if you dont you basically have nothing to loose. Being a christian does not mean that you can judge others, although there are a lot of them out there that do, those are the cynical god fearing people who possess nothing but hate for anyone who doesnt believe or follow what the do, and i am definately not ashamed of who or what i am. I do not fear my god, we are all human and make mistakes, if anything it has definately made me a more forgiving person.
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In philosophy that argument is known as Pascal's Wager, and frankly, it's stupid.
A tool is only stupid to those who (fail to see it function).
Very useful to us.
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So if you want to post here about your beliefs then go for it but don't expect us to just go along or try to protect your sensitive feelings.
You're forgetting how you go along with and/or protect sensitive feelings;
you hurt them.
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: kay62105]
#8875922 - 09/04/08 09:11 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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kay62105 said:
Being a christian does not mean that you can judge others,
Right, subconsciously.
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although there are a lot of them out there that do, those are the cynical god fearing people who possess nothing but hate for anyone who doesnt believe or follow what the do,
See? (of course not)
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if anything it has (definitely) made me a more forgiving person.
Make sure to incriminate first, to make it possible.
Sorry for defining you like I am.
Please forgive me, I do love Jesus. 
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A tool is only stupid to those who (fail to see it function).
Would you mind re-phrasing that for me?
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Arden]
#8875926 - 09/04/08 09:12 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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I've never had any major revelations of Jesus whilst tripping, however some of my most amazing experiences involved seeing various Hindu deities, Krishna, Mandalas, Buddha, sacred geometrical patterns, the spheres of the Cabalah, and this was long before I started learning and reading up on this and as I read this books I was amazed "thats what I saw!"
But never anything about Jesus. If you've never been introduced to this idea of a Jesus, you can never know Jesus. Why not let go of Jesus, if there is a Jesus, and he loves you and died for your sins (whatever the fuck that means), that doesn't change the world or make it any better.
As far as I'm concerned Christianity is for whores.
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Arden]
#8875964 - 09/04/08 09:30 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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Arden said:
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A tool is only stupid to those who (fail to see it function).
Would you mind re-phrasing that for me?
Alright, but I'll have to do it twice.
-A tool only appears stupid to you if you don't know how to use it.
-A being must be unaware he is a tool to be used as such.
PS: you are distrubing my nest. 
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As far as I'm concerned Christianity is for whores.
If you denounce Christ...
Which God do you think will best prefer the taste of the words you've eaten?
I don't think you'd be a heretic if you knew witch.
And yes... I'm an impeccable speller.
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Make sure to incriminate first, to make it possible.
Sorry for defining you like I am.
What is your idea of incriminating someone? that to me is a complete oxi-moron you dont have to incriminate someone for them to have done something wrong. If someone randomly stabbed you for no reason it doesnt mean you have to incarscerate them before you forgive them, or even hear an apology. but what they did WAS wrong. and my thing is you all already have these stereo types about who i am based on my religion, call me a whore, or a judge, or blind and senseless. i was not making the post to preach, or to change anyone to christianity. I understand this is a heated subject, and i got my anwser so i am good:
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Pascal's Wager ignores the fact that an omniscient being would see that you're attempting to deceive Him/Her by believing out of practicality rather than true faith.
THANK YOU!
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: kay62105]
#8876050 - 09/04/08 09:52 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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if anyone feels if they are better off not believeing it,
Yes, me, I'm better off. I was raised in the Baptist church. I'm better off by so far it's not funny.
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: kay62105]
#8876058 - 09/04/08 09:55 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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kay62105 said:
What is your idea of incriminating someone?
Jumping to the conclusion; stating that they are, (in fact), wrong.
[Like you are about to do. Riiiight....]
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that to me is a complete oxi-moron you dont have to incriminate someone for them to have done something wrong.
Right, because you are spoken for.
Those of us who attempt to speak for ourselves (edit: SOMETIMES) believe in decision.
(I should be less hasty...)
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If someone randomly stabbed you for no reason it doesnt mean you have to incarscerate them before you forgive them, or even hear an apology.
No, you must only decide them a criminal.
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but what they did WAS wrong.
[...now]
Oh, God must have been speaking quietly enough that only you heard him say this.
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and my thing is you all already have these stereo types about who i am based on my religion,
Right, you are a figment of your religion's imagination.
I am a figment of my own. (I imagine)
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call me a whore, or a judge, or blind and senseless.
You wish. We both see you are human.
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i was (not) making the post to preach, or to change anyone to christianity.
Oh, I must have had evil in my heart when I saw your intent.
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I understand this is a heated subject, and i got my anwser so i am good
Right. You must have already explained yourself completely.
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Edited by ExplosiveMango (09/04/08 10:03 AM)
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Take into consideration, when a Christian hears you, he hears you as the God he cannot see that he is trying to act as.
I like Christians.
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: kay62105]
#8876160 - 09/04/08 10:18 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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kay62105 said:
....... Basically to sum it up, how can you be any worse off by not believing in god and life after this world?
I agree.
I think..... for the most part all belief are equal.
Wether they are "good" or "bad" depends on the applcation and intent of the believer.
Some christians spend all their money and time helping people who are less fortunate than they are in this life.
Some christians collect money from the less fortunate every sunday to buy more fake flowers to put on the alter in church.
.... The only thing that annoys me about ANY kind of believer is when they dont understand it is a BELIEF. Not a Truth or Knowledge...... a belief.... something I do not know, but have chosen to accept as true. ( hopefully dependant on what good it does for them )
I believe that cats have very dynamic personalities.
Wether this is true or not, I do not know.
So far, this is not a problem for me..... but If I end up having 20 cats and thinking they are talking to me............. my beliefs might need to be re-prioritized.
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Re: ???Christianity??? [Re: Shad0w]
#8876216 - 09/04/08 10:33 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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I like it.
I endorse your explanation of belief.
5 shrooms!
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I really like your post shad0w! Thanks!!!
and i think you are waaaayyy to into your own sarcasm explosivemango, i really like how you take the time to pick apart my every sentence and twist it (it makes me giggle)...JESUS LOVES YOU
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