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Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List"
    #8871630 - 09/03/08 12:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

And I don't mean sexually. McCain, before running for president, came up with a list of earmarks that he referred to as objectionable spending. It was just discovered that many of Palin's earmark requests were on this list. Of course, once Palin became part of his ticket, she transformed from "pork" to touted reformer. From the article:

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WASILLA, ALASKA -- For much of his long career in Washington, John McCain has been throwing darts at the special spending system known as earmarking, through which powerful members of Congress can deliver federal cash for pet projects back home with little or no public scrutiny. He's even gone so far as to publish "pork lists" detailing these financial favors.

Three times in recent years, McCain's catalogs of "objectionable" spending have included earmarks for this small Alaska town, requested by its mayor at the time -- Sarah Palin.




So how much is Palin against earmarks?

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But records show that Palin -- first as mayor of Wasilla and recently as governor of Alaska -- was far from shy about pursuing tens of millions in earmarks for her town, her region and her state.

This year, Palin, who has been governor for nearly 22 months, defended earmarking as a vital part of the legislative system. "The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship," she wrote in a newspaper column.

In 2001, McCain's list of spending that had been approved without the normal budget scrutiny included a $500,000 earmark for a public transportation project in Wasilla. The Arizona senator targeted $1 million in a 2002 spending bill for an emergency communications center in town -- one that local law enforcement has said is redundant and creates confusion.

McCain also criticized $450,000 set aside for an agricultural processing facility in Wasilla that was requested during Palin's tenure as mayor and cleared Congress soon after she left office in 2002. The funding was provided to help direct locally grown produce to schools, prisons and other government institutions, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group.

Wasilla received $11.9 million in earmarks from 2000 to 2003. The results of this spending are very apparent today. (The town also benefited from $15 million in federal funds to promote regional rail transportation.)




In fact, Palin hired a lobyist whose sole purpose was to leech of of earmarks from the state senator that was made famous for the idea of the "Bridge to nowhere"

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Wasilla had received few if any earmarks before Palin became mayor. She actively sought federal funds -- a campaign that began to pay off only after she hired a lobbyist with close ties to Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who long controlled federal spending as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee. He made funneling money to Alaska his hallmark.




Ah.... And more on that bridge to nowhere:

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When Palin spoke after McCain introduced her as his running mate at a rally in Ohio last week, she made fun of earmarking. She said she had rejected $223 million in federal funds for a bridge linking Ketchikan to an island with an airport and 50 residents, referring to it by its derogatory label: the "bridge to nowhere."

In the nationally televised speech, she stood by McCain and said, "I've championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress thanks, but no thanks, on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said, we'd build it ourselves."

However, as a candidate for governor in 2006, Palin had backed funding for the bridge. After her election, she killed the much-ridiculed project when it became clear the state had other priorities. She said she would use the federal funds to fill those needs.

This year she submitted to Congress a list of Alaska projects worth $197.8 million, including $2 million to research crab productivity in the Bering Sea and $7.4 million to improve runway lighting at eight Alaska airports. A spokesman said she cut the original list of 54 projects to 31.

"So while Sen. McCain was going after cutting earmarks in Washington," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, "Gov. Palin was going after getting earmarks."





Seriously. Did republicans vet her at all?

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,6145252.story


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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: supernovasky]
    #8871654 - 09/03/08 12:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

the republicans are just as good at vetting as they are at producing comprehensive policy reform
Palin is such an ironic candidate to chose, shes everything Mccain is against lol


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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: supernovasky]
    #8871656 - 09/03/08 12:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Now this is a criticism with some real substance.

I don't give a fuck that her husband got a DUI 20 years ago.  I don't think it's fair that people are asking whether she can be a fit parent while in office when this isn't asked of other candidates.  I think the media is overemphasizing the teenage pegnant daughter (though it is an ironic case study in the failure of abstinance-only education).

Here's a criticism with some real meat to it.  Tens of millions of dollars in earmarks for a town with a population under ten thousand?  That doesn't wash with her conservative spending persona the GOP is trying to portray.


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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8871668 - 09/03/08 12:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It looks more and more like they just threw a dart at a board full of possible Veep pictures, and Palin was the one they hit.


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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8871685 - 09/03/08 12:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
It looks more and more like they just threw a dart at a board full of possible Veep pictures, and Palin was the one they hit.




I don't know if it was a dart per-se...  :mattz:


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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #8871688 - 09/03/08 12:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

lol u no mccain lusts 4 her, i bet that fools too old 2 bust a nut tho ahahahah


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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8871703 - 09/03/08 12:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I know the Republicans like their vetting process.  I'm guessing that there must have been several factors all conspiring to make her the best pick:

1.) The others on the short list had backgrounds that were just as sketchy, if not moreso
2.) Despite her sketchy record, she appeals strongly to moral-values republicans and other conservatives who weren't all that thrilled with McCain.
3.) McCain thinks women voters are morons who think with their vaginas.


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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8871964 - 09/03/08 01:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Entropymancer said:
Now this is a criticism with some real substance.

I don't give a fuck that her husband got a DUI 20 years ago.  I don't think it's fair that people are asking whether she can be a fit parent while in office when this isn't asked of other candidates.  I think the media is overemphasizing the teenage pegnant daughter (though it is an ironic case study in the failure of abstinance-only education).

Here's a criticism with some real meat to it.  Tens of millions of dollars in earmarks for a town with a population under ten thousand?  That doesn't wash with her conservative spending persona the GOP is trying to portray.





agreed.

The pregnant daughter, trooper thing from all accounts, and all the other crap is dumb.



Especially given her touted reformer status and with McCain chanting change now, I don't know what could be more relevant.



Though if she squarely addresses the issue, similar to how ron paul did, I'll accept it.  Before she could either accept them or let alaska slide further in the red in terms of fed dollars in vs out.


So if she squarely addresses this I'll say its a non issue.


I just don't want my intelligence insulted by bullshit about how she was against the bridge to nowhere and whatnot when that was clearly a year late political turnaround.  Palin, simply explain why you saught these and why that has nothing to do with how you'd govern if you were president or McCain gave a shit what you thought.


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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: johnm214]
    #8872125 - 09/03/08 01:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Palin is probably the VP choice for the very fact that she is McCain's opposite, and its not hard to figure out why.

Karl Rove wins elections for republicans by increasing voter turnout for his side and decreasing it for the other side.  To do this, he uses various psychological tactics. 

Palin fits into this because she will bring out those people who agree with her beliefs (i.e. mainstream repuiblicans), but would not have voted for McCain.

Those who will vote for McCain don't care that Palin has beliefs, so he isn't loosing anyone.  Few people rest their decision on the VP, look at Cheney, he's ridden 20% approval ratings for 2 elections.

Women will vote for Palin because she gives them hope.


See?  Works on all sides.  It doesn't have to make sense, Americans don't have any sense.  They only have ill-fashioned opinions backed up with force.


Edited by xFrockx (09/03/08 01:58 PM)


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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: xFrockx]
    #8872138 - 09/03/08 01:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think any of that is true. Palin has given Obama more of a bump than his convention did.


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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: xFrockx]
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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8872231 - 09/03/08 02:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In my opinion, one of the main issues with McCain's vetting process was that they were so intent on keeping the secret about who their pick was going to be so that it would have the maximum impact on the DNConvention, even some of the most important people in the campaign itself were kept in the dark about the possibility of Palin as the selection; meaning that the press had the liberty of doing the investigation on her at the same time as the core of the McCain campaign.

That being said, expect good speeches from Palin and McCain over the next two days; but don't expect either speech to address the experience or change-of-position issues with Palin, or the questions about whether the McCain's vice-presidential vetting process was thorough enough and what that type of approach would mean in a McCain presidency.


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Re: Oops! Looks like Palin was on McCain's "Pork List" [Re: supernovasky]
    #8872708 - 09/03/08 04:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If its not true then why did they choose her?  Don't be so arrogant to think they did it solely for pandering.  For republicans pandering is a given, they have plans beyond that.


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