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 blitz007
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 DMT crystallization problem
#8856588 - 08/31/08 03:29 PM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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Hey guys, newbie here.
I am currently at day 2 of the crystallization process using the Marsofold tek method. I went through all the steps without any problems, and placed a mason jar with the naptha in the freezer and at day 2 I am seeing crystals, but not very many! Sorry I have no pics. I am worried I have done something wrong because it looks like I wont have much crystals by day 3.
any thoughts?
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: blitz007]
#8856661 - 08/31/08 03:47 PM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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The crystals were done precipitating after a few hours of being in the freezer. Did you do enough pulls to get all the alkaloids? Add some more base water just in case and do 2 or 3 more pulls to make sure you got everything.
Another thing it could be is maybe you used to much solvent for the crystals to be freeze precipitated. Evap the solvent until it turns cloudy before putting in the freeze.
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: FractalDust]
#8856676 - 08/31/08 03:49 PM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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So is it too late now? Or can I take it back out and let it evaporate a bit more?
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: blitz007]
#8856683 - 08/31/08 03:51 PM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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What exactly do you mean "pulls", I am not up to snuff with the slang yet.
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: blitz007]
#8856686 - 08/31/08 03:51 PM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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nah its never too late.. hehe. That's the beauty of dmt extraction.. it's pretty easy not to mess up, and if you do, it's quite simple to fix.
Of course you can take it out of the freezer to evaporate more. Don't worry when you begin to see the crystals you do have begin to disappear as you evaporate, they will be back once you freeze again.
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Edit: "Pulls" refers to pouring off your solvent.
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Edited by KilroyMilosevik (08/31/08 03:53 PM)
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: blitz007]
#8856689 - 08/31/08 03:52 PM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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It's never too late. The alkaloids aren't going anywhere whether they're in your solvent or still in the jug. Do a few more pulls, evap till cloudy then throw in the freezer at the lowest temp.
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: blitz007]
#8856695 - 08/31/08 03:55 PM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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blitz007 said:
What exactly do you mean "pulls", I am not up to snuff with the slang yet.
Add more solvent to the jug, mix well, seperate. Did you only do this 1 time, hence 1 jar in the freezer? I've found it takes about 4 or 5 pulls to get it all. Hope you didn't throw out the jug because theres a shitload of deemsters still in there!
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: FractalDust]
#8856794 - 08/31/08 04:25 PM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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All I know is that I followed the instructions to a T. It didnt say anything about doing it more than once? Yes I through the crap in the jug away. I guess that's my newbie mistake. I have taken it out and am evaporating it and will put back in once its gone down a bit. I am learning alot about all of this and will do it right next time.
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: blitz007]
#8859401 - 09/01/08 09:01 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Ok so I took it out of the freezer for 8 hours last night, its back in. Originally the 3 days was supposed to be at midnight 2 night, but because I took it out of the freezer to evap for 8 hours should I put it back in for another 3 days? Or just 8 hours over and above the 3 days?
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: blitz007]
#8859667 - 09/01/08 10:29 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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You should keep addding solvent, mixing, and separating it (that's a pull)Until you get no more dmt from your base solution.
What was the starting amount of bark? 1 LB? If so, you should have gotten a few grams at least total from this extraction.
and you don't HAVE to freeze it to get your dmt. You can also just evaporate it completely, and scrape up what remains. This stuff will be a bit more yellow, but it's good stuff nonetheless.
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: enesi]
#8859998 - 09/01/08 11:39 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Quote:
enesi said:
You should keep addding solvent, mixing, and separating it (that's a pull)Until you get no more dmt from your base solution.
What was the starting amount of bark? 1 LB? If so, you should have gotten a few grams at least total from this extraction.
and you don't HAVE to freeze it to get your dmt. You can also just evaporate it completely, and scrape up what remains. This stuff will be a bit more yellow, but it's good stuff nonetheless.
Ya I started with a lb. I realize because I only did one pull that I will only get a small amount of DMT now. Which is fine, lesson learned. But my question still is this: Because I took it out of the freezer last night, must it go back in again for another 3 full days?
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: blitz007]
#8860093 - 09/01/08 11:55 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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It doesn't HAVE to.
It doesn't take 3 days to freeze precipitate it. Overnight should be plenty of time. Make sure your freezer is VERY cold, as cold as you can get it.
Like i said before, you can also just evaporate all the solvent at room temp and scrape up your dmt. Stick it under a fan, should be done in a day.
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: enesi]
#8860953 - 09/01/08 02:38 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Dude my freezer is not very cold and i only need to put it for 2 and half hours.
All you have to do man is evaporate the solvent in a well ventilated area. When it evaporates it will crystallize. If the crystals look dirty you heat the tray with hot water from underneath and add just enough solvent to dissolve the dirty crystals. then you let it cool down in room temperature, fridge temperature then put in freezer. After 2 hours it was in freezer take it out put it through a coffee filter but most crystals with stick to the bottom of the tray. Let it dry in a well ventilated area again and now you have cleaner product. Note that the solvent you got left over can still have some alkaloids so you can let it evaporate until it becomes foggy and do the freezing again.
As far as your base solution goes yeah you kinda messed up it takes me 1+ liter or so of solvent naphtha in particular to take all the alkaloids out of 100g which yields 1g of DMT.
I hope this helps peace.
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: Infested]
#8861137 - 09/01/08 03:11 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Thanx guys, I see what I have done wrong and I understand the process alot more now.
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: blitz007]
#8861233 - 09/01/08 03:29 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Ok so I took it out of the freezer and filtered it. The crystals are very white, no yellow like impurity at all. Should I still do an ammonia wash?
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: blitz007]
#8861250 - 09/01/08 03:35 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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I'd skip the ammonia wash. You probably already have very little spice. You start trying to wash it and what not, you'll probably lose a lot of what you have.
let it dry, and vaporize it up!
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: enesi]
#8861270 - 09/01/08 03:38 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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ok im hooked lets hear how it was then
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: smily]
#8861301 - 09/01/08 03:42 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Ya I am guessing I only have 250mg  . Won't take long to dry.
How do you guys recommend it be stored? In a sealed baggy?
and yes, trip report will be posted either 2 night, or tomorrow.
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: Infested]
#8861315 - 09/01/08 03:45 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Quote:
Infested said:
As far as your base solution goes yeah you kinda messed up it takes me 1+ liter or so of solvent naphtha in particular to take all the alkaloids out of 100g which yields 1g of DMT.
Wow, that much naphtha for only 100g of bark? I use that much for a 500 g bark extraction at around 250ml naphtha per pull (with a heat bath). And what kind of bark are you using/getting? I thought the N,N-dmt level for mimosa is around 0.5% by weight.
Anywho, blitz, if you would like more information regarding the marsofold tek, check out this thread:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6667657/an/0/page/1
And
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6902560/page/0/fpart/2/vc/1
They've helped me A LOT for my first extraction. And if you gather all the information regarding the marsofold you'll realize you can modify it a lot to get better results.
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How do you guys recommend it be stored? In a sealed baggy?
I'd recommend you go to a smoke shop and buy a small vial for 1-2$. DMT is so sticky it becomes a huge hassle when its in a baggy. Keep it stored at normal room temperature or less. I've already had a small vial get liquid-ey on me just by keeping it in a pocket. The stuff is quite sensitive to temp.
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Edited by shroomzey (09/01/08 03:48 PM)
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Re: DMT crystallization problem [Re: blitz007]
#8861541 - 09/01/08 04:16 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Don't store it in a baggie, it's apt to get all stuck to the inside of the bag. I'd recommend putting it in a glass container, or wrap it up in foil if glass isn't an option.
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