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 Religion and other fairy tales
#8842732 - 08/28/08 04:27 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Parent 1: I see Becky lost another tooth. Guess the Tooth Fairy will come tonight.
Parent 2: Naw, she figured that out last year.
Parent 1: Santa Claus, too?
Parent 2: *proudly* Yup. She is a smart little girl. Even saw through the Noah's Ark, Jesus walking on water, and heaven and hell nonsense.
Parent 1: *shock & horror* You are not a Christian?
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 sealorcawhale
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Religion and other fairy tales Have one thing in common they were both designed to put people to sleep!!
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deCypher
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Are you of the opinion that kids are better off without getting fed the Santa Claus myth?
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OrgoneConclusion
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 Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: deCypher]
#8842929 - 08/28/08 05:08 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Of course they are. Parents lying to children about most anything creates distrust.
Look at the DARE failure. Why? Because teachers and police misinform.
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Veritas
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I agree. I did not lie to my children about Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny or any other popular mythological characters (like God). 
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deCypher
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I have sympathies with this position, but advocates on the other side claim how horrible it would be for a kid to grow up without believing in Santa Claus--stating that it kills the imagination and what's left of any magic in the world before the kid irrevocably grows up.
I have a feeling it's much the same fairy-tale as the God one, but they might have a valid point.
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Veritas
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: deCypher]
#8842954 - 08/28/08 05:15 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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I think it is much more beneficial to encourage a sense of wonder about aspects of reality. My older son found computers very magical, and now wants to pursue a career as a programmer. My younger son found nature very magical, and has declared his intention to be a Herpetologist.
There is plenty of magic in the real world...we don't need to import it through lies.
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: Veritas]
#8843099 - 08/28/08 05:41 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Veritas said:
I agree. I did not lie to my children about Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny or any other popular mythological characters (like God).
Although I have heard that you have scared them into eating their vegetables and doing chores with threats that Swami will visit and deconstruct their ideas.
The horror! 
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Veritas
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Are you kidding? They've grown up around me, so having their ideas deconstructed is nothing new to them. 
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: Veritas]
#8843146 - 08/28/08 05:53 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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What a mean mommy!
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Neon
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My older sister actually through a fit when she found out my parents had been lying to her about santa claus.
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Cameron
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: Neon]
#8843380 - 08/28/08 06:46 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Did she refuse to accept their gifts the next Christmas?
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deCypher
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: Veritas]
#8843597 - 08/28/08 07:33 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Veritas said:
I think it is much more beneficial to encourage a sense of wonder about aspects of reality. My older son found computers very magical, and now wants to pursue a career as a programmer. My younger son found nature very magical, and has declared his intention to be a Herpetologist.
There is plenty of magic in the real world...we don't need to import it through lies.
Programming and herpetology are very scientific-minded pursuits, IMO. What if your refusal to supply your child with the rich fantasy of a belief system strips his or her imaginative growth? After all, the predominant portion of the world's great art and music has been greatly influenced by the artist's belief in some form of higher power--without the Church, for instance, Art as we know it would be decimated. And atheistic art under communism? The epitome of sterile, drab, scientific-minded, and ultimately boring art.
Or, another argument: suppose you had the choice between a childhood where a totally rational existence provokes no unexplainability in the world and there is no belief in something metaphysical to provide a hope for life after death, versus a childhood that was filled with genuine magic--the kind of magic that comes when you believe in something beyond the natural world. It is this magic that resonates in the veins of children who believe in Santa Claus and can go to sleep at night with sweet dreams of fulfilled fantasy. It is this magic that provides a faint buffer between the land of idyllic innocence and the rocky terrain of fully realizing one's mortality after growing up. And wouldn't you prefer it to have at least a certain period of time during your life, looking at the grand scheme, where you were not faced with the looming anxiety of death and knowledge of the cold, hard Universe?
(Sorry, I'm rather inconsiderately blazed right now so I felt like playing Devil's Advocate.)
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Cameron
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: deCypher]
#8843650 - 08/28/08 07:39 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Haha, you would make for an immensely a-moosing smoke-buddy. 
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deCypher
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: Cameron]
#8843881 - 08/28/08 08:11 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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And likewise, sir. 
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Cameron
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: deCypher]
#8844059 - 08/28/08 08:45 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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I'd have to put the bananas away and I'm afraid I can't do that! 
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: deCypher]
#8844073 - 08/28/08 08:48 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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And wouldn't you prefer it to have at least a certain period of time during your life, looking at the grand scheme, where you were not faced with the looming anxiety of death and knowledge of the cold, hard Universe?
No I would not. Believing in that nonsense did little to relieve my real world anxiety. And I spent a lifetime trying to reconcile the truth and the fiction I was told.
Had I had some honest truth as a child and seen adults acting with honesty about the facts of life I think I would be a very much happier person now and I wouldn't be spending most of my life energy trying to reprogramme myself into a reality based lifestyle.
No I wouldn't, not on your life.
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deCypher
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: Cameron]
#8844079 - 08/28/08 08:49 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Well, damn. My being an anteater might pose an issue, too.
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deCypher
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: Icelander]
#8844091 - 08/28/08 08:51 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
And wouldn't you prefer it to have at least a certain period of time during your life, looking at the grand scheme, where you were not faced with the looming anxiety of death and knowledge of the cold, hard Universe?
No I would not. Believing in that nonsense did little to relieve my real world anxiety. And I spent a lifetime trying to reconcile the truth and the fiction I was told.
Had I had some honest truth as a child and seen adults acting with honesty about the facts of life I think I would be a very much happier person now.
Would you rather have death anxiety for 90% of your life, or for 100%? The shock of finding out the fabrication of Santa Claus might actually be beneficial for your children, besides--it's always healthy to cultivate a natural suspicion of authority.
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Re: Religion and other fairy tales [Re: deCypher]
#8844124 - 08/28/08 08:57 PM (3 months, 5 days ago) |
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I would rather have death anxiety for 100% of my life. As a child seeing others openly acknowledging death I would have had a natural acceptance and resiliance to death from the get go. Not had to realize that my ego trip was a big lie and that everyone was so terrified they had to lie constantly. Not much to be proud of huh. Living a total fear based lie.
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“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” ~Stephen Roberts
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