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 Cervantes
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 Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? 
#8758238 - 08/11/08 01:45 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Why do we see spiraling, organic, geometric patterns when we are having trip visuals?
These patterns are beyond fascinating to me... and while I'd like to think they have a bigger meaning, I doubt they do... still, what the fuck?
I'd like to get to the bottom of this.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8758288 - 08/11/08 01:53 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Lots of food for thought here.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Revelation]
#8758301 - 08/11/08 01:55 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Neither of those pictures is a fractal though...
Ive seen my share of the "spiraling, organic, geometric patterns" you speak of. I dont think they are fractals.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: DieCommie]
#8758314 - 08/11/08 01:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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What the fuck is up with them?
They are cool that's what.
They are a visual embodiment of the fact that sight is continuum and discretization is faith. The closer you measure the bigger it gets.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: DieCommie]
#8758326 - 08/11/08 01:59 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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hmmm
technically, can you ever really assume something isn't fractal? there is always the possibility of scoping further.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: DieCommie]
#8758361 - 08/11/08 02:07 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I realize that neither picture is a fractal, but together they exhibit self similarity across scale, which is a characteristic of fractals. There are many examples of naturally occurring fractals. Here's one:
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Revelation]
#8758413 - 08/11/08 02:15 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Why do we see them?
Is there a scientific explanation for this shared visual?
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8758443 - 08/11/08 02:22 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Cervantes said:
Why do we see them?
Is there a scientific explanation for this shared visual?
The scientific explanation is what we see, faith is why.
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Edited by ExplosiveMango (08/11/08 02:38 PM)
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8758456 - 08/11/08 02:25 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Self-organizing criticality seems to be common to many physical systems. They give rise to scale-invariance and thus power-law behaviour of many observable, measurable quantities. Life could just be a dynamical attractor inherent to our physical laws rather than a phenomenon rendered possible by fine-tuning of such laws.
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The scientific explanation is what we see not why, faith is why.
Yet you certainly don't know why it should be so either do you ? Science gives a consistent how with an incomplete why. Faith gives an inconsistent how with a complete why.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8758486 - 08/11/08 02:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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does infinity imply everything?
One way of looking at it, its just a matter of awareness of. In the infinite scope of consciousness, the idea that everything is bound to repeat makes a certain kind of sense. That is, infinity implies everything. Fractals just happen to be something we are aware of. Following this same line of reasoning, we might assume that everything is on some level bound to shape the 3-dimensional portrait of Jesus, that walks, talks, and performs magic tricks. Does this mean anything?
Idk, It seems to be an allusion to infinity.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8758487 - 08/11/08 02:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know but there is an interesting excerpt about this very thing in this post
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8758526 - 08/11/08 02:37 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Multiple images appearing in one ever changing interconnected web?
But only illusory?
Sounds familiar...
I took LSD for the first time a few days back & the hallucenations were incredible, from venomous snakes attacking my face to egyptian hyroglyphics to a web of billions of eyes similar to alex greys art.
What i learn from them (hallucenations) is that no image, no matter how attractive or scary, is me, but an image i create myself in order to dream & lose myself in, then wake up from remembering i am not the image
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: deimya]
#8758554 - 08/11/08 02:42 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
deimya said:
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The scientific explanation is what we see not why, faith is why.
Yet you certainly don't know why it should be so either do you ? Science gives a consistent how with an incomplete why. Faith gives an inconsistent how with a complete why.
I screwed up and added 'not why' by accident, apologies.
Science gives a consistent how with a border to why. Faith gives a consistent why with a border to how.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#8758559 - 08/11/08 02:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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(So what is the mind for?)
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#8758742 - 08/11/08 03:22 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I think the Universe is fractal in nature.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Revelation]
#8758780 - 08/11/08 03:28 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Revelation said:
I don't know but there is an interesting excerpt about this very thing in this post
Fascinating.
But why fractals?
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8758818 - 08/11/08 03:35 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Because similar processes happen at different scales over a wide yet finite range of scales. Your broccoli might simply be a "branch out and grow" automaton over two orders of magnitudes 
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: deimya]
#8758826 - 08/11/08 03:36 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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So you don't know?
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8758888 - 08/11/08 03:47 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Not that much no. Only many processes in nature are recursive; many physical laws contain some sort of scale-invariance in a certain range; the Hausdorff dimension being greater than the topological one, a fractal geometry might in some case constitute an optimal solution for certain natural task, like the optimization of the surface over volume ratio for plants; recursive and iterative processes are also everywhere to be found in nature, which easily lead to fractal geometries; etc. In that sense I think fractals are much more natural and evolution-friendly than simple geometric shapes.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: deimya]
#8758948 - 08/11/08 03:57 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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there are two big reasons to see them.
one is that they resemble logarithmic progressions which arise and slowly fade leaving artifacts of their progress.
that relates to nearly all appearances or emergences during the trip.
then there is the other aspect called polyopia.
the multiplicity of motifs is an innate aspect of every single instance.
when you have multiplicity and logarithmically scaled motifs, then the sense of fractal patterning is very strong.
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