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 AdoreChampignons
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 Indoor Morel Cultivation?
#8753854 - 08/10/08 03:57 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Greetings,
I heard that for years mycologists have been trying to cultivate morel mushrooms indoors. While I know that morel mushroom mycelium is quite easy to grow, its incredibly difficult to nudge the morel mycelium to enter the fruiting stage. I know that its more than a rumor that someone did it. They actually were able to determine the conditions that stimulate a morel culture to fruit and get consistent results. However, I read in several places that it's being kept a secret. Does anyone know how they did it?
I think the answer breaks down to two possible solutions. The first being that someone actually found the conditions that stimulate fruiting bodies to develop. The two areas that I think a researcher might have focused on is the abundance of morels after a forest fire. This would suggest that the by products of a forest fire stimulate a morel culture to fruit. Under these post forest fire conditions, there is a sudden release of free carbon into the soil along with a sudden rise in Ph. Has anyone attempted to expose a morel culture to these forest fire by products to stimulate fruiting development?
The second possibility of indoor morel cultivation might rest in the possibility that someone created a strain of morel mushrooms that responded to conventional methods of moving the culture to the fruiting stage, i.e. change in temperature, cold water dunks, food supply depletion, and so on. Has anyone tried to develop their own strain of morel that respond to indoor cultivation methods?
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I'm working on some substrate mixtures to promote sclerotia formation using forest fire debris. nothing to share yet.
http://www.thefarm.org/mushroom/morel.html
those directions are pretty straightforward but i dont believe anyone has had any real success following them. Developing adaptive strains from multispore is interesting. i think it would be a bit daunting though.
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 Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: waixingren]
#8759695 - 08/11/08 07:08 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Welcome to the shroomery!
morel cultivation is fairly simple until sporophore development. in my observation and my colleagues in the field with mass fruiting of morchella elata complex and morchella esculenta, is that there is a facultative mycorrhizal symbiosis with an photobiont. that is why when there is mass disturbance with the hyphal mate ie. forest fire, dying tree, disturbed soil you see fruit bodies the following spring. this could be caused by a nutrient sink or the addition of organic carbon which stimulates reproduction. since morchella species have a facutative AM fungi symbiosis(arbuscular mycorrhizal). this could be the reason for some success at in vitro cultivation, there could be dozens of different cues to trigger fruiting in this species. there is evidence that certain rhizal starchs or complex carbohydrates could stimulate fruiting or lack there of. this subject needs more research in the field and in the lab for success. good luck with your experiments!!
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: asci]
#8760402 - 08/11/08 10:20 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Keep us posted. I'm interested in growing them indoors myself.
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AdoreChampignons
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: waixingren]
#8760414 - 08/11/08 10:22 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Wow! Thank you. I enjoyed reviewing that link. I was wondering though, if people have already had some success in using that cultivation method, there is then a possibility of creating a strain of morel that responds to indoor growing techniques. Since the described method uses morel spores, there should be a multitude of genetic variations being generated. Some of those genetic variations should produce harvestable fruiting bodies. If one were to harvest spores from morels grown from indoor cultivation and repeat the indoor cultivation process across several generations, one should be able to create a strain of morel that can respond consistently well to indoor growing techniques. In essence, the method of indoor cultivation itself is being used as the selective process. Once such a "domesticated strain" has been secured, the process can be repeated to select out strains expressing optimal yields.
Has anyone attempted to do this yet?
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Maybe to a certain point. I dont think youll be able to completely domesticate it. It is possible to grow indoors, just extremely difficult. Keep us posted and good luck. 
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: Krez]
#8764244 - 08/12/08 06:21 PM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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yes, there has been limited success in cultivation. and it would be nice to have "domesticated" strain that reacted positively to in vitro cultivation, the reality is there has not been consistent success with sporophore formation in vitro. so, developing a reactive strain is not likely.
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: asci]
#8765548 - 08/12/08 10:27 PM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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Wow!!! Gee, thank you. Thank you all very much. I do really appreciate all you comments and suggestions. I just collected some fresh morel mushroom spores. I'll follow through with the suggestions and let everyone know how it goes. Wish me luck.
Thanks again,
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rite on!!!! keep us posted with lots and lots of pictures! and good luck.
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: asci]
#8768757 - 08/13/08 03:21 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Seems you gotta WATER them o_O.
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Call me crazy but if you made a mono tub of it and had a little hay bonfire on it might that trigger it? adding burnt debris or carbon might not be what gets it going, the heat may be a factor. Some pine cones won't open till exposed to fire, it lets them know that all the competition is gone and it's a good time to sprout.
Morels may be the same way.
Simulate the forest floor with wood debris and soil at the right PH for a casing then stimulate with fire. The PH will also change after the burn. More carbon will neutralize the acidity (I think)
Soak it a few times and wait. make sure you have drainage to let the water out and help change the PH. Morels may follow!
Just thought I'd throw that out there.I don't think it's been tried, but people have set wild fires outside just to stimulate morel growth.
EDIT I just read thru that link,well I guess it has been done but maybe you could skip a few steps by just setting the tub on fire LOL
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: DRTMaverick]
#8770266 - 08/13/08 07:52 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Keep in mind those are landscape (Morchella rufobrunnea) Morel's that he's growing.
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: Hotnuts]
#8770310 - 08/13/08 07:59 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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invitro cultivation is extremely technical, and requires strict environmental conditions.
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: asci]
#8777656 - 08/15/08 01:11 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Aren't morel mushrooms out of season right now? If I just purchased some fresh morel mushrooms at my local produce store, were they collected from the wild or grown indoors? I asked the store keeper, he hadn't a clue.
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morel season's differ greatly depending on location and altitude. the further north and higher altitude the season gets pushed back later and later. many of the morels are coming Alaska and high elevation Montana/Idaho, and are of a unique specie morchella atreomentosa(which is part of the elata complex).
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: asci]
#8778612 - 08/15/08 05:25 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Thanks. I'm sure you're right. The store keeper just said that they were from some place up north.
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: asci]
#8779434 - 08/15/08 08:42 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Two points:
facutative AM fungi symbiosis? I've heard such things and I don't buy it. Do you have some online resources that definitively verify it?
"limited success"? You've got to be kidding. Hasn't Morel Mountain produced tons of them? Perhaps by limited you mean the number of people able to grow them. For that number is severely limited.
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: Senor_Hongos]
#8780334 - 08/16/08 12:14 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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RR go and jack those hoe cakes who can grow it. Then make a video on making it easy and make some more bank. You can do it man! I believe in you. Your first video is ill.
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Re: Indoor Morel Cultivation? [Re: HazeyRoms]
#8784746 - 08/16/08 11:52 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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yes, limited people and companies are developing morchella cultivation techniques, since it is not very economical as of yet to mass produce morels. as for the AM mycorrhizal, there are academic paper's/articles available to you that have researched this relationship. facutative mycorrhiza are common in many VAM/AM mycorrhiza's.
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