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 Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? 
#8735265 - 08/06/08 05:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I started this discussion in an old thread and think it is better to just start a new one.
I am doing my first bulk grow on hpoo/straw. Its been colonizing for about 2 weeks and it is 100% ready for a casing layer. However, there is one caveat: I ordered a bag of casing from a vendor over 2 weeks ago and the website says that it just shipped priority.
I e-mailed the vendor and, barring any complications, itll be here in 2 days. I suppose I can wait to case, but I just looked at the substrate and I have definitive hyphal knotting all over the place(probably a couple hundred of those bad boys).
Can I case over the knots, or should I just initiate pinning and case after the first flush? Is it even possible to case after the first flush?
also just read this post from Fahtster.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7708447
It looks like the late case is an encouraging option, but it seems that I shouldnt case if primordia have already formed. Basically, I would hate to destroy a decent flush in an attempt to get a prolific one. Thoughts?
-S
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: shamanic_calling]
#8735366 - 08/06/08 05:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've had some experience with late casing and as long as your not seeing significant growth it shouldn't mess with your yield. Knots are not a problem, Some have suggested the best time to be when you start to see pins.
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: ScavengerType]
#8740879 - 08/07/08 08:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks Scav,
The casing arrived today and I still only had knots (although the are now everywhere!   ). I just followed Fahtster's method and I'm crossing my fingers from here on out.
-SC
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: shamanic_calling]
#8741312 - 08/07/08 09:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Keep us posted. Conventional wisdom says not to do it, but fahtster is no idiot, so if he says it works, it does.
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: shamanic_calling]
#8741333 - 08/07/08 09:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well now that I read even more posts, I didn't follow the late casing method to a tee. I cased with tons of knots, but no pins. Casing only about a 1/4" thick.
Someone please tell me that I didn't screw myself with this. I have a bulb of only moderate intensity shining on the tub, but now I'm worried about the getting enough lighting on these knots.
If this was a bad idea, can I just dump off the casing a wait? I don't mind getting an average flush, just worried about getting no flush at all.
Thanks to everyone for your advice so far.
-SC
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: shamanic_calling]
#8742301 - 08/08/08 01:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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sounds good to me.
That sounds like a thin casing, not that I'm an expert on casing thickness just an observation the general range seems to be 1/4 to 1/2 inch anyway. I always want thicker casings to give my mushies more water, I don't know if my greed in this aspect is effective or not.
Anyway it sounds like it's all good I'm wondering if you might be able to elaborate on your light setup though. Are you using a fluorescent?
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: ScavengerType]
#8745428 - 08/08/08 04:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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ST,
It's not a fluorescent, I don't think, because it generates major heat. One of those newer types of lamp bulbs with a thin tube that twists up in a thick tight spiral. A good amount of light output. Basically, I have it under the lamp shade so all of the light is reflecting down though the clear top of my tub.
There a few places in the casing where the mycelia are poking through and I see some new knots there. I'm hoping that the light is also getting through the thin casing to the mycelia I can't see. I guess only time will tell.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. For some reason it took almost two months overall to get to this point, and it'd be a shame to have it screw up now.
-SC
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: shamanic_calling]
#8745535 - 08/08/08 05:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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i always do late casing as i've found that not only does it work but i've had such great success with it that i feel no need to case earlier. I wait till my first sight of pins though till i case with MGMC. I dont pasturize either, i just add boiling water till it reaches field capacity.
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: HeadFood]
#8745714 - 08/08/08 06:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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IMO fluorescents are better cause your casing won't greenhouse and they save power. If you haven't read it yet fluorescents work just as good, even better when you consider possible heat issues.
Don't worry bout light to the mycelia it will pin first I'm pretty sure. Then it needs light.
Just curious did you do cakes first or just straight to casings?
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: ScavengerType]
#8747325 - 08/09/08 12:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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SV-
I did cakes a few years ago with decent success. I can't tell you how awe struck I was when I saw that very first pin on a cake. those were the days. They never got very big though.
I've been on a hiatus since '04 and, now that I'm back, decided to try compost. It seems like user friendly sub and I've been surprised at well it's working so far. No fancy contraptions for humidity, incubators. Just letting this bad boy sit. This batch is Texas on rye, spawned to mycopath's compost. Contams really seem to have no chance on this stuff.
SV- do you think that, once a bunch of knots have formed that they'll just continue to grow and become pins without much light?
-SC
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: shamanic_calling]
#8747400 - 08/09/08 12:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I assume your rockin it monotub style then eh? I kinda wish I started monotub rather than goin cake, but that's an age old discussion. You must know, would I know then what I know now. I actually want to do organic cakes of portabellos and shitaki in my old cake setup cause I figure by manipulating dunk times I can make myself my own home brew of daily mushies. But I must be drunk and rambling.
People say compost is good what is da compost from organic materials wise?
I did some 60% cow compost with coffee coir and it bombed (in yield) cause of low spawn ratio and verm casing. Not quite sure what factor really did the damage. Right now I'm kinda grunting about the bad yield but I am just getting another one together with a nice diverse substrate that should do the fix. People have said diverse subs make the mix.
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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: shamanic_calling]
#8747489 - 08/09/08 01:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
shamanic_calling said:
ST,
It's not a fluorescent, I don't think, because it generates major heat. One of those newer types of lamp bulbs with a thin tube that twists up in a thick tight spiral. A good amount of light output. Basically, I have it under the lamp shade so all of the light is reflecting down though the clear top of my tub.
There a few places in the casing where the mycelia are poking through and I see some new knots there. I'm hoping that the light is also getting through the thin casing to the mycelia I can't see. I guess only time will tell.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. For some reason it took almost two months overall to get to this point, and it'd be a shame to have it screw up now.
-SC
sounds like a compact flourescent light bulb to me... and yes they put out a good bit of heat
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: abitavenger]
#8751095 - 08/09/08 10:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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SV-I think mycopath makes a hpoo/straw compost, but i couldn't tell you mush about it other than that. You'd have to ask Graham about that. Since I live in NYC, and have NYC quarters, I have to rely on vendors more than I'd like. So far so good though.
After 3 days, still no signs of anything breaking through the late case. My impatient salivating self scraped away some case and found a primordia though. Fingers still crossed.
Yeah....more of a dual tub, but the same concept. Bottom tub is black and the top tub clear. melted 8 holes into it and stuffed them with polyfil. I wish I knew about this back in '04 as well, but things have developed significantly since then.
Re. things bombing, I wish you a monster flush your next time around. I am just looking for a decent yield myself. In a way, I should have just gone for the uncased fruit. Not being able to see the mycelial development is making me crazy, especially since this is my first bulk expedition.
Cheers,
SC
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Re: Compost - Casing After Hyphal Knotting? After the First Flush? [Re: shamanic_calling]
#8751320 - 08/10/08 12:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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meh just give it a few more days and you'll see them pokin up and then all of a sudden they'll be jumping like crazy.
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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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