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 it stars saddam
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 Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits?  [Re: BlindSophist]
#8686816 - 07/27/08 12:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said:
I once had an experience I'd probably call "psychotic" when I was on just an 8th of mushrooms. I became convinced that everybody on the internet was actually me
Everyone on the internet is actually you. Creepy huh?
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BlindSophist
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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: it stars saddam]
#8686819 - 07/27/08 12:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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No... no. That's impossible! NNNOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Love of one is a barbarism; for it is exercised at the expense of all others. The love of God, too.
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it stars saddam
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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: BlindSophist]
#8686823 - 07/27/08 12:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not real.
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Icelander
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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: shivak]
#8687519 - 07/27/08 07:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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shivak said:
thanks for the answers,
one other question:
does ayahuasca also have the rare side effect of triggering psychosis in people who are prone to it?
like mushrooms and lsd can
not so rare if you use the shroomery folk as a sample.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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 backfromthedead
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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: it stars saddam]
#8687526 - 07/27/08 07:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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it stars saddam said:
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backfromthedead said:
makes us feel crazy when we are really just thinking too much
I feel you are minimizing how serious it gets. When you've been there... And you can't trust your own mind... It takes like six weeks to in effect 'come down'... With meds and psychiatry. Then its like a constant oscillation on the edge. Then like six months and you have your brain back somewhat. I ate 17 dried grams of cubes once and shit has never been the same. 'Just thinking too much' is just... Not big enough words to accurately convey the mess of your mind drugs can make. But, I firmly believe that things condense into a droplet of sorts in time... From like a phantom thought cloud of vapor that is released in your mind. ...To form a more cohesive whole. An entire reevaluation if you can think your way out of the dark that can be brought on.
You're a fucking pussy.
Lick sack, bitch. I urge you to seek out high doses... 15 grams... Or have you...??
You, sir, sound like a genius, really.
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shivak
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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8706303 - 07/31/08 06:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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so i did ayahuasca with santo daime, it was beautiful.
i can't say if its "better" or "worse" than mushrooms because
i haven't tripped in over 2 years,
and the last times i tripped i was much less in balance...
the last 2 years i did a lot of meditation which helped me
i think during this experience because i loved every second...
and by loving the experience its like my ego went very quiet and peaceful...
one thing i notice about ayahuasca is that you can have a strong divine experience,
but at the same time act very sober and in control.
i could have talked with people from "the outside world" (in the system),
and i doubt they would have noticed except for...
perhaps some pupildilation.
but maybe people can be this "in control" too on mushrooms,
but i just couldn't be like that yet 2 years ago because i still hadn't realy learn to love, and stop fearing very much.
there were great people at santo daime with outlooks on life and the daime-doctrine itself, differing.
some people take the jesus maria thing literally,
for other people those names.. the father, mother and son...
as well as some of the forest deities which are being sung too..;
are just as other words for the same ONE LOVE/ONE GOD.
so all in all good experience,
the only downside is perhaps the christian lyrics, which are a bit hard to adapt to...
but maybe i'll be able to adapt to them pretty easily,
in that case i will have found a new favorite social thing to do, hehe.
for the people that go to daime in the future,
it really helps to even if u dont know the songs,
to hum them along.. because this way you actively participate,
this helps the group bonding and it seems to help the ritual.
i used to think that the singing and music thing wasn't fun,
but it's fun because this way you kind of concentrate your intent a lot...
and also the social aspect of of all people praying (singing=praying) the ONELOVE/ONEGOD.
seems to be work nice.
thats all i had to say,
thanks for the advice in this thread and in other threads...
i thhought a loong time about wether to use entheogens again,
and reading about other people experiences helped me remember that entheogen experences are great... so no point in abstaining 
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shivak
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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: shivak]
#8706827 - 07/31/08 10:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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wow suddenly it dawned on me how changed i feel,
it's now 19.00pm
i've downed the santo daime-brew @ 19.00
and i've slept from 10 till 14.30 feeling awake and refreshed...
very unusual for me as i always need loads of sleep!
i've never really believed much in chakras
but it's like my heart chakra and throat chakra and alse base chakra feels healed,
and it's like the chakra above the head is also open,
i feel full of energy, love, happiness
i feel like i can now make contact with strangers much more easily,
because the ego feeling of "seperateness" is no longer there.
and it feels like the love of the trip is still working,
i think that it is possible that this feeling will last forever because
it seems to not be caused by a chemical,
it seems like the result of stored energy blockages which have been cleared.
and best of all it seems like the meditation i was doing (NISARGADATTA - I AM THAT),
the last 7 months is exactly the same as the that can be felt during ayahuasca (and also after, apprently)
but stronger.
the nisargadatta technique is: "do nothing but let everything flow"
psycehdelics are just like that, lovely!
except that they seem to accelerate results and be able to resolve energy problems very easily.
( sorry i don't mean to brag)
love bless you all 
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Be nothing, know nothing
Edited by shivak (07/31/08 10:47 AM)
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it stars saddam
Satan
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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8706948 - 07/31/08 10:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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backfromthedead said:
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it stars saddam said:
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backfromthedead said:
makes us feel crazy when we are really just thinking too much
I feel you are minimizing how serious it gets. When you've been there... And you can't trust your own mind... It takes like six weeks to in effect 'come down'... With meds and psychiatry. Then its like a constant oscillation on the edge. Then like six months and you have your brain back somewhat. I ate 17 dried grams of cubes once and shit has never been the same. 'Just thinking too much' is just... Not big enough words to accurately convey the mess of your mind drugs can make. But, I firmly believe that things condense into a droplet of sorts in time... From like a phantom thought cloud of vapor that is released in your mind. ...To form a more cohesive whole. An entire reevaluation if you can think your way out of the dark that can be brought on.
You're a fucking pussy.
Lick sack, bitch. I urge you to seek out high doses... 15 grams... Or have you...??
I have, I just don't feel like it makes me a martyr or anything.
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CosmicJoke
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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: shivak]
#8709560 - 07/31/08 08:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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i remember attending a workshop of Robert Anton Wilson's where somebody asked him about his impressions of DMT. he said he personally didn't like it, but that was just him, that everyone had their own neurotransmitters.
it's been about 8 years since i've worked w/ ayahuasca plants, but during that time it was my preference over other entheogens. at the moment, i prefer to work w/ LSD.
my opinion is that everyone has to figure out what works for themselves and no particular substance is intrinsically better than another.
g'luck
CJ
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You can move your thoughts around your skull, but they can't leave your brain when you're stuck in the lull of a clone-men dance. You're a glance in the ball. That's all.
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c0sm0nautt
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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: Cervantes]
#8709607 - 07/31/08 08:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Supernatural by Graham Hancock
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
  
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