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 mutablemass
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 What do stupid people experience while tripping? 
#8669330 - 07/22/08 10:59 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive always wondered this. I'm not saying a trip HAS to give you life changing insights and all that, but what do people who do psychedelics just to get fucked up experience? Do their brains filter out all the meaningfulness that trips bring? Once the trip is over do they forget and ignore all the wonderful things they have learned and seen?
By the way I don't mean stupid as in mentally impaired or mentally challenged, I mean the ignorant people in society. You know.. those idiots you come in contact with from time to time. Maybe that major pothead or pill popper you know that does drugs only to get fucked up and not for experience of learning from an altered state or different perspective.
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 Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: mutablemass]
#8669393 - 07/22/08 11:19 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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thats a really messed up question.
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[quote]RogerRabbit said:
Ah, that explains it. Typical know-it-all noob. We get a few thousand just like you register here every year. They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.
We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends.
Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing. They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end. They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection. These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: TheBandit]
#8669404 - 07/22/08 11:21 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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they freak out and want it to be over as quickly as possible.
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: TheBandit]
#8669409 - 07/22/08 11:22 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea, kind of an ignorant question. id say its different for everybody
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: TryptamineSeeker]
#8669427 - 07/22/08 11:27 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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what does lsd do to a down syndromed 20 year old baby?
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: pong]
#8669437 - 07/22/08 11:30 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think it's a messed up question or ignorant. I mean seriously, I've always wondered the same thing. Someone for my sister for example, one who doesn't question her existence whatsoever or anything. Like what would she gain out of it, nothing really. Just a terrifying six hours.
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: initiatethehello]
#8669496 - 07/22/08 11:49 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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not necessarily.
maybe it could induce intelligence...it temporarily disabling the brain's natural bypass filters and what not.
who knows?
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[quote]RogerRabbit said:
Ah, that explains it. Typical know-it-all noob. We get a few thousand just like you register here every year. They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.
We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends.
Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing. They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end. They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection. These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
RR [/quote]
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: mutablemass]
#8669505 - 07/22/08 11:52 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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t what do people who do psychedelics just to get fucking up experience?
It probably varies. Some people who just intend to "get fucked up" probably just experience it as that, while others may find that they experience religious epiphanies or philosophical insights. On the other hand, people with spiritual intentions might find that they just "get fucked up." I find it a bit disturbing that you equate just wanting "to get fucked up" a motive of stupid people. Not everyone who tries psychedelics is going to see them as a potentially enlightening experience and that includes intelligent people.
My own experiences with giving people DXM is probably illustrative of how different people respond in a very complex manner that involves a complex interplay between what they expect and how they perceive the drug before hand.
A guy I once knew who got very into doing and growing shrooms (who was about 20 at the time) was very into reading about psychedelics and really into the whole philosophical "trip" that psychedelics could offer. This guy read tons about psychedelics. One night we got him kind of drunk and talked him into doing DXM. He was depressed and sort of confused about this young woman he'd had feelings for and had been flirting with and brooded on it a lot during the experience. At one point in the night he vanished. The next day I asked him what he thought and he said that he simply felt "like he'd drank too much cough syrup." He wouldn't elaborate beyond that. Certainly, he would have been very capable of describing more of the experience than that, but he never would. I think his expectations, based on how well he knew me, would have been that DXM was a psychedelic with an inherently dark side. Whatever he experienced that night, he was reluctant to experiment with it again and basically refused to talk about it.
On the other hand, I know someone who has given DXM powder to a number of people and beforehand will tell them that it is "a dissociative anesthetic, with a neuropharmacology similar to that of ketamine." People will go into great detail about how psychedelic and trippy they find their experiences. Expectations obviously play a very large role in not only what people experience, but also their willingness to reflect on the experience and attempt to integrate it as a meaningful part of their lives.
After taking hundreds of trips on a lot of different psychedelics, I simply don't believe that much can be learned from simply having perception altered by psychedelics. I might then be able to say that it seems that, to you, I went from being an intelligent person who was curious about learning from psychedelic drugs, to being a stupid person who doesn't really think that much can be learned from them and merely takes psychedelics to get "fucked up" (that is, for entertainment; sheer sensory joy). It took me about fifty trips before I turned into an idiot and decided that "enlightenment" was nonsense and learning from psychedelics was basically bullshit.
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: Plasmid]
#8669536 - 07/23/08 12:00 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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they probably just get very confused and see lots of colors, but never make connections of the mental patterns or realize the implications....
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: Plasmid]
#8669537 - 07/23/08 12:00 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Plasmid said:
One night we got him kind of drunk and talked him into doing DXM.
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: Plasmid]
#8669550 - 07/23/08 12:05 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Plasmid said:
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t what do people who do psychedelics just to get fucking up experience?
It probably varies. Some people who just intend to "get fucked up" probably just experience it as that, while others may find that they experience religious epiphanies or philosophical insights. On the other hand, people with spiritual intentions might find that they just "get fucked up." I find it a bit disturbing that you equate just wanting "to get fucked up" a motive of stupid people. Not everyone who tries psychedelics is going to see them as a potentially enlightening experience and that includes intelligent people.
My own experiences with giving people DXM is probably illustrative of how different people respond in a very complex manner that involves a complex interplay between what they expect and how they perceive the drug before hand.
A guy I once knew who got very into doing and growing shrooms (who was about 20 at the time) was very into reading about psychedelics and really into the whole philosophical "trip" that psychedelics could offer. This guy read tons about psychedelics. One night we got him kind of drunk and talked him into doing DXM. He was depressed and sort of confused about this young woman he'd had feelings for and had been flirting with and brooded on it a lot during the experience. At one point in the night he vanished. The next day I asked him what he thought and he said that he simply felt "like he'd drank too much cough syrup." He wouldn't elaborate beyond that. Certainly, he would have been very capable of describing more of the experience than that, but he never would. I think his expectations, based on how well he knew me, would have been that DXM was a psychedelic with an inherently dark side. Whatever he experienced that night, he was reluctant to experiment with it again and basically refused to talk about it.
On the other hand, I know someone who has given DXM powder to a number of people and beforehand will tell them that it is "a dissociative anesthetic, with a neuropharmacology similar to that of ketamine." People will go into great detail about how psychedelic and trippy they find their experiences. Expectations obviously play a very large role in not only what people experience, but also their willingness to reflect on the experience and attempt to integrate it as a meaningful part of their lives.
After taking hundreds of trips on a lot of different psychedelics, I simply don't believe that much can be learned from simply having perception altered by psychedelics. I might then be able to say that it seems that, to you, I went from being an intelligent person who was curious about learning from psychedelic drugs, to being a stupid person who doesn't really think that much can be learned from them and merely takes psychedelics to get "fucked up" (that is, for entertainment; sheer sensory joy). It took me about fifty trips before I turned into an idiot and decided that "enlightenment" was nonsense and learning from psychedelics was basically bullshit.
I greatly enjoyed reading this.
Thank you.
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[quote]RogerRabbit said:
Ah, that explains it. Typical know-it-all noob. We get a few thousand just like you register here every year. They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.
We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends.
Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing. They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end. They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection. These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#8669552 - 07/23/08 12:05 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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they freak out and want it to be over as quickly as possible.
no it takes some intelligence to freak out, the really stupid ones are the ones you hear talk about how they saw felix the cat or some retarded shit like that was the highlight of the trip.
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Dude how can you say such a thing. Ive literally read exact words about killing Americans within the Koran.......[/quote]
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#8669686 - 07/23/08 12:42 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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they freak out and want it to be over as quickly as possible.
not necessarily, i've known a few people (actually i wouldn't consider these people stupid) who take psychedelics for recreation only. they enjoy the trip but they don't rave about the insights, or whatever. they just go on with their lives when it's over.
i know people like us often tend to assign so much meaning to our psychedelic experiences that it's difficult to comprehend how or why some people don't but the fact is that some people just don't assign excessive amounts of meaning to experience once it's over, and they aren't necessarily "stupid".
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: porcupine]
#8669741 - 07/23/08 12:58 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think the Oracle has the answer to your question.
"Know thy self" hehehe.  I jest, I jest.
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: WornTraveler]
#8669817 - 07/23/08 01:23 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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depending on the dose they take, they experience whatever is going on in the depths of their psyche.
perhaps it is what they do with this information, that you consider to be stupid, or smart.
either way, what difference does it make to you?
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: larrysanders]
#8670793 - 07/23/08 09:46 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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lsd doesn't "cause" enlightenment.
it really just focuses and strengthens what is already going on in the brain.
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: jhoppa]
#8670885 - 07/23/08 10:46 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok, I figure i chime in on this poorly phrased topic......
ok, first, to echo a few other posters.... "stupid" is too generic, not everyone who takes them SOLEY for pleasure is "stupid" they just see things a different way..... But lets follow the assumption that "stupid" means the ones who laff all the time and see cartoons all the time, but never come to (or at least admit) a deeper journey.
On that subject, I would have to agree with you.... I have NO IDEA what is going on in them..... but sometimes, kinda wish I could be that way too >.<
Ok..... and to my main 'counterpoint' if you will....
What about the "stupid" people who talk about elves and entities or spiritual forces and mushroom spirits or mushroom spirits and spirit guides......I mean seriously the "enlightened ones" sometimes sound more retarded that the 15 yr old kids who just want to get fk'd up......
So I guess my point comes down to...... everyone who takes psychedelic drugs can be percieved as "Stupid"
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: mutablemass]
#8670937 - 07/23/08 11:12 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Honestly I think this question is a bit ignorant. First of all, you assume that it's "stupid" to take psychedelics for any reason other than "spiritual enlightenment". What's stupid about that? Do you consider people who drink alcohol, smoke pot, or do other drugs for fun stupid? Then why must someone who uses psychedelic drugs for fun be stupid?
Also, I think you are assuming that these "stupid" people do not have philosophical questions about life, the universe, etc and therefore do not gain any insights from tripping. I believe that almost all people do question their existence, purpose in life, etc -- it's just part of the human experience. The difference is that many people, including the people who you might think are "stupid", simply don't feel the need to talk about these questions with other people. Maybe they think it will come off as weird or maybe they just don't feel like they know you well enough to talk with you about it. For you to assume just because they don't talk about these questions means that they don't have them is a bit stupid on your part if you asked me.
I also think that most people who take psychedelic drugs will have somewhat of a "spiritual experience" if they take a high enough dosage, regardless of what they expect. The first time I ever tripped I just wanted to get fucked up and see colors, but I tripped absolute balls and got the full ego-death experience. To this date that is probably one of the most intense and spiritual experiences I have ever had and I've tripped probably hundreds of times since then and with much higher dosages. Now I realize that there is more to psychedelics than just seeing colors but it took that first trip to get me to realize that.
So I guess what it comes down to is that all people who take psychedelics probably have (somewhat) similar experiences, but some people are just better at articulating them than others. I have a few friends of the beer-chugging, pot-smoking frat boy variety that just happen to be adventurous enough to try mushrooms. When they describe the experience they'll mostly talk about visuals, "omg I was so fucked up", etc. When I ask what they thought about, they'll just say something like "idk dude, some really weird shit." This leads me to believe that they did have some mind-expanding stuff going on, but they just don't feel comfortable sharing it.
Maybe you need to think about being a bit more open-minded yourself, rather than criticizing others who are different than you.
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: mutablemass]
#8671137 - 07/23/08 12:27 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Give me 20 minutes, I know someone who is REALLY fucking stupid.
He ruined South Park, Reno 911...fuck, almost ALL of Comedy Central for me. He's the perfect test subject. 
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Re: What do stupid people experience while tripping? [Re: RasJeph]
#8671238 - 07/23/08 12:57 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm also not sure what the big mystery to the question of the OP is here. "Stupid" people experience the same thing as everyone else when they trip, except that they don't intend to go into the trip with philosophical notions. Can you really say that absolutely every second you spend tripping has something to do with philosophy? Have you never been momentarily distracted while tripping by a trip toy or some cool colors, or the taste of something? "Stupid" people experience exactly the same thing except that they don't look for the philosophical aspects. For them, the experience is probably going to be just as intense, except that it might not be intense because of "philosophical revelations" but for more personal reasons. Or maybe they will have moments of "philosophical insight" which they simply later dismiss as being fucked up.
I always had a lot of really bright classmates in university and we were exposed to a wide variety of philosophies. Some people took different philosophies very seriously, while others felt that they were able to dismiss them off-hand and take them with a grain of salt. Both groups of people still had to reflect on these philosophies, but the difference was in how seriously they took them. A person isn't stupid for feeling that they don't have to take the "philosophical" aspects of a trip seriously.
Some people are also just more inclined to be pragmatic and not worry about some philosophical aspects. There is a reason why people used to joke about the value of philosophy degrees.
I also think it's kind of sad that you appear to rely on psychedelics for philosophical thought. Some of my most enjoyable and enlightening moments have occurred while sitting on a bus reading a philosophy book, completely sober. I have little doubt that rereading some pages of those books while on LSD might be more profound, I don't think that an intensified emotional reaction will mean much in the long run.
Plus, it may or may not shock you to know, that there are many intelligent people out there who think that the very notion of using a psychedelic to learn anything philosophical is downright stupid in itself. I have known people like that, even fallen in love with people who think that way and I can't simply ignore their thoughts on the matter. There is some merit to scoffing at the notion that one must alter their perception in order to experience philosophy. The validity of an argument doesn't change just because you've taken LSD.
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