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 Re: 9/11 truthers Eat your heart out!! [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#8622246 - 07/11/08 03:01 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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http://www.loosechange911.com/blog/?p=105 (link to video there, if you want to see the uncut interview, rather than the BBC's version)
Barry Jennings Uncut
I’ve been sitting on this interview for a while, but after viewing the latest BBC piece on WTC7, I feel the time has come to release it in its entirety.
After locating Barry in mid 2007, Jason and I visited him and he graciously granted us an interview during a lunch break. He had agreed to grant us an interview under the conditions that we, at no time, associate his interview with his place of employment.
Jason and I were so thrilled with the content of the interview that we decided to release a few bits and pieces of it on both our show and Alex’s.
A few months later, as the film was nearing completion, I called Barry again to touch base and see how things were going. It took him a bit to remember who I was, but as soon as he did, he began complaining about phone calls to his place of employment and that he was in danger of losing his job. He requested to have his interview pulled from Loose Change, and I honored his request.
Fast forward to February, 2008, where I’m doing an interview with the BBC, and I’m informed by their crew that Barry told them the reason he asked for it to be pulled was because of the article on Prisonplanet claiming he was stepping over dead bodies, which he denies saying. I call Barry to attempt to rectify the situation, and he is adamant that he did not use the phrase “we were stepping over people”
Fast forward one more time to two days ago, when the BBC piece finally aired. I now feel an obligation to release his interview, in its entirety, into the public where it belongs for three reasons:
1) To see the difference between the interview he gave us, and the interview he gave the BBC.
2) To establish Barry’s timeline in his own words.
3) To preserve his testimony, in his own words, for the historical record.
I have remained true to my word and kept his interview out of the film, however, I can no longer keep it from the public. They deserve to hear Barry’s story, out of his own mouth.
As I say in the end of the video, I would appreciate it if Barry could enjoy his privacy and live his life in peace. My intention with releasing this is so his story can be told, not to cause him any further grief or suffering.
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Re: 9/11 truthers Eat your heart out!! [Re: WakeboardrB]
#8627598 - 07/12/08 11:38 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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WakeboardrB said:
So you are taking mass confusion and misstated information while someone is under extreme pressure during a catastrophic event as proof that there was some grand conspiracy perpetrated by our evil secret shadow government?
Sorry mate, try again.
Evil Secret Shadow Government? I Think Not, Maybe a shady one.
(Every symbol has a meaning to its creator, look at the ones around you and look at them from the creators point of view.)
Its not a shadow but they do it in the daylight and sell it to use as lies; Starts with the sinking of Lusitania, Iran-Contra Scandal, Form of the Al-Qaeda, 9/11 Information and how it was handled after.
When you look at the events and the reason why they occurred (Ultimate motive, as in the motive that is really behind the event, not the ones they sold to us.) than you can take into consideration 9/11 fully, and only than, I believe.
The events mentioned earlier all are relevant due to how the government handled the situation, Prior, After, and Media Coverage(new, books, Etc.).
Lusitania: Germany was starving the ports of Great Britain sinking any and all prior and we had knowledge of German U Boat activity prior to the cruise even leaving for Liverpool and sinking's in the route.
Iran-Contra Scandal: Ease we gave in time after time... Fool Me Once..... 500 Hawk Anti-aircraft missiles to someone who takes hostages to negotiate? Cops don't even do that...
Form of Al-Qaeda: TO rid America's left over troops in their territory, We would do the same if we were invaded and than left over occupied (Revolutionary War?).
All the information that is accepted main stream is very misleading, and Why is that? I lie when i need to hide things so it would only natural for other humans to lie when "under pressure" you would say. Why was Bush under so much pressure if all he knew was tragedy? A Man, I say Man because you must be a Man in order to be a ruler of a nation, like myself would react in a military fashion instantly trying to control further damage.
9/11, Al-Qaeda, Afghanistan, War on Terror
Gold doubled that day, 3rd tower had files only important to high profile criminals;(FBI, CIA, ETC.), 15/19 were Sadui's, We ended in Iraq over throwing a ruler that we help get to his position.
Oil is an alternative motive and Bush is just their puppet. For those that don't know Bush and the Saudi Royal family hold hands well they walk next to each other, Bush doesn't do that with Tony Blair. It took a year to start investigation into 9/11 when other events only took a week to get up and rolling.
Citizens in New York felt it happened differently and that the towers dropped by a controlled device rather than the planes. To those who say Eye witness give inaccurate reports i say, keep in mind when we write history it is written from an eye witness perspective, wither it be biased or not.
Video footage suggest no plane ever hit the pentagon but missiles instead.
Their is so much i could go on about and relate it all back to current events but the only advice i can give is learn history. Learn about Jewish bankers and their long arm. Nazi's and who they did business with during their reign. Our history is corrupt and we must accept that and change our future not deny it and never grow. History can give us an insight to the future so be open to others thoughts and ideas they could be the truth.
BTW in a simulator I personally cannot fly an airplane into a building at all or even close to how well as they did.
In Plane Site, Download it its a good video footage review of 9/11
Keep an open mind and listen to what others have to say.
***Just my opinion nothing more, take it or leave it doesn't bother me.***
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WornTraveler
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Re: 9/11 truthers Eat your heart out!! [Re: Mrbob]
#8627744 - 07/13/08 12:33 AM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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While I'm not going to say I'm firmly seated in either camp, I'd have to say that the "small fire" seen in the first video posted looks to me like a secondary fighter coming from behind it. You're not going to tell me a plane rammed through a building, and all the burning wreckage that resulted was in the same area. The smoke seen is probably just wreckage that got thrown from the area by the impact of the plane, or a fire started by flaming wreckage that subsequently lit another building on fire.
As far as the Barry Jennings video, I don't know enough about it (never even heard of it until now) to comment. I am not an expert, but I'd make a few assumptions.
1) A tower of the size of the Twin Towers is not designed to withstand the impact of a plane the size of the planes that did impact the buildings, flying at the velocity they were flying at.
2) The steel superstructure in the towers was probably not built to withstand the heat generated by burning jet fuel.
I don't know what sort of experience Mr. Jennings has, and I don't recognize any of the agencies he named in the video, but I'd guess that the sound of steel melting and imploding on itself would certainly sound like explosions.
I can't explain how the 6th floor would fall out from under him, however. As far as there being people already dead in the lobby, I do have a few theories on that. For one, the ash and smoke after the buildings collapsed was very thick, maybe enough to asphyxiate someone. The concussion blast from the first tower collapsing might have been enough to render someone unconscious, like a sonic boom, especially with the two towers being so close. After that, without the person making a conscious effort to screen their breathing, it would have been easy for ash, smog, and whatnot to make breathing impossible. Why were people in the building not affected by whatever it was that killed in the people in the lobby? I don't know. Possibly, because the lobby was obviously built with multiple entry points that went right to street level, the ash, smoke, sonic boom, whatever, was able to enter the lobby while higher floors remained buffered with fewer access points.
I was not there. I'm not an expert. But it would have to take a *lot* of proof for me to believe that the government went through some scheme that involved the deaths of thousands of people, the possible decline of our economy, and mass panic, in order to go to war over oil... when they could have achieved hysteria and a mandate for war from the people by releasing doctored "spy cam" shots of nukes or something. I've always found conspiracy theories to be a little foolish, like the hole JFK conspiracy and everything.
But I wouldn't say my mind is totally closed to the idea either. Overall, nothing here seems anywhere near conclusive enough to even slightly sway my opinion, and certainly not the dinky little smoke trail in the original video.
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Re: 9/11 truthers Eat your heart out!! [Re: Mrbob]
#8628384 - 07/13/08 07:14 AM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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Our history is corrupt and we must accept that
 Yes! Not many people realize how history is re-written.
I was taught in school that in the Vietnam war both US and Vietnam claimed victory.
Personally I see no victory in any war.
I wonder if the US school system does actually teach its children that they won Vietnam? I expect so as not to put off a generation of would be soldiers.
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WornTraveler
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Re: 9/11 truthers Eat your heart out!! [Re: Ego Death]
#8628746 - 07/13/08 09:59 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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No, I and pretty much everyone else I know was taught and consider Vietnam a defeat. The idea was to keep the communists out of the south, and clearly that goal clearly was not achieved.
Jesus, what do you think they're doing, brainwashing us? lol.
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Mrbob
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Re: 9/11 truthers Eat your heart out!! [Re: WornTraveler]
#8629586 - 07/13/08 02:47 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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WornTraveler said:
While I'm not going to say I'm firmly seated in either camp, I'd have to say that the "small fire" seen in the first video posted looks to me as if a secondary fighter coming from behind it. You're not going to tell me a plane rammed through a building, and all the burning wreckage that resulted was in the same area. The smoke seen is probably just wreckage that got thrown from the area by the impact of the plane, or a fire started by flaming wreckage that subsequently lit another building on fire.
As far as the Barry Jennings video, I don't know enough about it (never even heard of it until now) to comment. I am not an expert, but I'd make a few assumptions.
1) A tower of the size of the Twin Towers is not designed to withstand the impact of a plane the size of the planes that did impact the buildings, flying at the velocity they were flying at.
2) The steel superstructure in the towers was probably not built to withstand the heat generated by burning jet fuel.
I don't know what sort of experience Mr. Jennings has, and I don't recognize any of the agencies he named in the video, but I'd guess that the sound of steel melting and imploding on itself would certainly sound like explosions.
I can't explain how the 6th floor would fall out from under him. However, as far as there being people already dead in the lobby, I do have a few theories on that. For one, the ash and smoke after the buildings collapsed was very thick, maybe enough to asphyxiate someone. The concussion blast from the first tower collapsing might have been enough to render someone unconscious, like a sonic boom, especially with the two towers being so close. After that, without the person making a conscious effort to screen their breathing, it would have been easy for ash, smog, and whatnot to make breathing impossible. Why were people in the building not affected by whatever it was that killed in the people in the lobby? I don't know. Possibly, because the lobby was obviously built with multiple entry points that went right to street level, the ash, smoke, sonic boom, whatever, was able to enter the lobby while higher floors remained buffered with fewer access points.
I was not there. I'm not an expert. But it would have to take a *lot* of proof for me to believe that the government went through some scheme that involved the deaths of thousands of people, the possible decline of our economy, and mass panic, in order to go to war over oil... when they could have achieved hysteria and a mandate for war from the people by releasing doctored "spy cam" shots of nukes or something. I've always found conspiracy theories to be a little foolish, like the hole JFK conspiracy and everything.
But I wouldn't say my mind is totally closed to the idea either. Overall, nothing here seems anywhere near conclusive enough to even slightly sway my opinion, and certainly not the dinky little smoke trail in the original video.
Wow, That was honestly eerie close to my first belief about 9/11 but then I looked further into the events from a neutral point of view because I did not want my vision to be clouded by prejudgment of the issues to be studied.
Why?
Because do not believe everything you read, hear, or see.
Things can be Rewritten, and Rewritten.
People tend to hear what they want to hear.
Eyes will lie to us time and time again.
Yet we allow ourself to be blinded by why the media has to say as its the holy truth. Just because main stream society says people who have beliefs against theirs(News, popCULTer, etc.)
My best advice is to listen to your gut because it will never lie if you have faith in it.
As for the Towers: Engineers are paid thousands of dollars to design steel buildings able to withstand NATURAL EVENTS that occur beyond our control. A plane should never get that close in the first place but thats not the question at hand. We need to examine it like an engineer, duh?!
Well I am not an engineer but I can make an accurate opinion so take from it what you will.
I Believe that if you watch the tower collapse it explodes, break a TV to watch an implosion (Old tube TVs). An as it collapses, a building that has been standing their for years WITHSTANDING the weight of the building and the NATURAL EVENTS that occurred around it yearly, year after year, in the fashion that it does it does nothing but make you wonder. Planes hitting buildings is nothing new, its happened before the only thing missing was, I do not know maybe, the explosion?
Explosions, or Implosions if you what to call it, of that magnitude only occur when we want them too. As in, Movies, War, and control demolitions (Open to more sources BTW). The Media leads to believe that it was do to the NATURE of the event and the excessive fuel and flames, etc, etc. Well what I have to say to that is where is the fuel at the Pentagon? I read it was on the front lawn yet no picture shows a Bio crew coming to contain the surrounding area or even fuel. And the plane that crashed do to the crew over throwing the "Hi-Jackers", aka Saudi's not Afghanistan, yet the surround area did not catch fire either.
Where are the fires due to their fuel?
Was that unNATURAL? 9/11, Could it have all been do to lack of intelligence, communication and neglect to matters concerning national SECURITY! Their JOB?!
In a Generation of Instant communication I doubt that to be the case... Maybe WWI, or WWII, But not this war on a ideology that we've created, simple facts.
OK the close quarters could have cause a perfect environment for a fire to grow to be a fat healthy American. But other buildings have survived fires longer and did not show the degree of damage to the support that the Twin Towers under went in a matter of moments makes you question, if that, was the honest to god truth, so what was the cause?
Let's examine the third tower. It feel due to a controlled event in order to bring it down, in the same fashion the other three feel, oddly? (bLAMEd on fire and debre?).
Look at the fact its striking similar to a demolition, just take away the symbolic aspect of the situation, loss your ego, and accept what you feel is the truth.
With that in mind look at other events that cause America to enter a war, look at the corruption behind it.
Ants become immune to the pest asides, so we our forced to grow and complicate the formula in order to kill the SAME Ants.
People who want to influence world events, need to complicate the matters in the age of the internet because we can obtain information at lightning speeds. You need to take that into consideration when look at the past. Controlling peoples beliefs were simpler because of only one press in a region basically.
THAN, if New York Times said it, it was true.
NOW, If MS NBC says it, o it must be true.
You may not get your knowledge from that source directly but ultimately some one who may inform you might of had their ideas clouded by others false beliefs expressed as truths on media networks.
My words are spoken, they our not meant to persuade you but meant to trigger future thoughts and help you better understand life and change your reality, if not now, one day you will say,
"Hey That Crackpot on the internet, kinda made sense...."
Understand the Twin Towers and the importance to us.
What does it hold, who would it benefit, why they would go threw with it.
It makes sense, to help motivate America's interest in the civil war in these "Holy" countries. Perfect place for terror to breed right?
Or
The Bankers, wither Jewish Bankers or not, have a higher gaining from this event... If you don't believe me examine history.
Shows us how people as early as 1890's era saw the long arm of the Jewish Banks and their influence on everything because they had the key that keeps all of society together, Money. Paper they created and give meaning too but print to much to have enough gold to represent its paper value making it now a digital number we never really have defeating the purpose in the first place. Lenders loan it to us on interest creating taxes to repay for the government or for home owners they give us ridiculous rates and do not explain the minor details that are over looked and obtain and tangible property.
If you are lied to once, you must learn that they will do it when its their name on the line. Characters people portray give us an insight to their thoughts and you must take those individuals into consideration when discussing this matter because they are the catalyst to the event.
"No, I and pretty much everyone else I know was taught and consider Vietnam a defeat. The idea was to keep the communists out of the south, and clearly that goal clearly was not achieved.
Jesus, what do you think they're doing, brainwashing us? lol. "
I Believe Ego Death is getting at that during the time frame of Vietnam it was poor trade as a victory for the allies at first glace by mainstream media later better understanding it as a whole.
Why don't you think, are they brain washing?
You buy their products, you sing their jingles, and you live by their false guarantees they provide.
Being a Criminal is a mind state that every individual creates independently so when you "direct" individuals beliefs you shape society's belief as a whole.
Prior to the Holocaust it is safe to say that the world was getting tired of Jews and their long banking arm (Russia, Germany). The Worlds view changed after. No other event did this occur to where it became illegal to question the events (Two Europe countries made it Illegal to deny the Holocaust). At the time the majority of presses were Jewish owned so its only right that the Holocaust and Germany be so evil. But what about us? Indians, Japanese, Communist, Terrorist, Middle Eastern PEOPLE! we did h=the same to so many
And Than when you realize history is written the way it is to influence the citizens of what ever great country they may be under.
Don't let the name AMERICA fool you, Germany relied on mainly exports prior WWI. They were the worlds giant, Economically.
Jewish Media in America put into action of a ban on German products so bad that people would have store riots if "an" item said, "Made in Germany".
China is the new America and where old Germany... Our economy was doomed to fail when you use crutches like Oil and Military to support your economy (Great Depression).
What else is there to dominate?
9/11 is history that we experienced, as a whole, as America.... time to face the facts...
*Yet again my opinion and nothing more take what you will*
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Re: 9/11 truthers Eat your heart out!! [Re: WornTraveler]
#8630273 - 07/13/08 05:41 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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WornTraveler said:
brainwashing us
Sure.
Brainwashing / propaganda has been used throughout history, I don't expect now to be any different.
I don't have much trust. My government tested LSD on unwitting soldiers and civilians. We performed chemical tests on the public by spraying them from planes. Thats just the stuff thats been proven. Brainwashing is tame compared some stuff they've done.
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Re: 9/11 truthers Eat your heart out!! [Re: Ego Death]
#8630533 - 07/13/08 06:32 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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LOL, it's a little difficult to brainwash anyone with a computer these days. Brainwashing requires that a person have ZERO access to any other source of information, at least long enough for the person to become so entrenched in the beliefs fostered by the brainwashing, so as to automatically dismiss any other point of view as wrong or foolish.
But, the fact is, America is more multi-cultural than any other country in the world. Ethnically we've got a lot of subcultures who bring their own beliefs and views to the table. Try going to Miami and ordering a cheeseburger- you may have trouble if you don't speak Spanish. We've got Blacks, Latinos, Europeans, old school Americans, some DAMN smart Asians. Pretty much any culture you can imagine (primitive tribal groups aside) can be easily encountered in many parts of America on an every day basis.
Further, Americans travel. A lot. Recently, not so much, with the economy slowing down, but give it a few years and we'll be right back to summer vacations all over the globe. Many Americans live in other countries for extended periods- one of my co-workers, a Spanish major, just got back from over a year working in Ecuador as an English teacher.
Television, unlike in the old days, carries hundreds of channels from all over the world. I don't personally have a TV or watch TV, but my girlfriend gets a few Japanese channels and even an Arab news station on her satellite package, not to mention dozens of British broadcasts.
And finally, almost every American alive right now has access to the internet. Weather it's at a public library, in school, or at home, they're able to log on and get any point of view they want from any website they want.
The fact that people are even reading this thread is proof enough that no one is being brainwashed.
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Mrbob
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Re: 9/11 truthers Eat your heart out!! [Re: WornTraveler]
#8632820 - 07/14/08 09:24 AM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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You misunderstood me....
Not everyone like yourself is lucky to have all those channels, so all the individuals who don't have that privilige; such as low income family's... or family's that even keep their morgage. They dont have the luxary of the same things you have... they may have access and even than it is a lot harder to change peoples beliefs than to shape them.
How hard is it to brainwash some1?
All it takes is a trance, and suggestive images....
maybe you think your so certain because of your lack of knowledge of the brain....
If i can hypnotis you to help you recall an event that was lost from childhood, i can do the same in order for you to forget...
But the world brainwash is the wrong word first of all.
They direct our train of thought...
Words, their magical... Shroom one time and say only negative words and look want happens... than say only words of your passion and see how you feel....
Believing me is nothing more than your choice... But for others... They are forced to see me as crazy individual who believes people are being brain washed....
Out of sight, out of mind...
"It would never happen to me..."
NOT EVERYTHING DIRECTS OUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT...
only mindless shows that popCULTer watch...
JUST LOOK AT THE WORDS YOU USE.
Everything has a meaning you just have to terms with the definition from the creator point of view.
Just because mainstream says mindcontrol is not possible...
Does not mean Suggestive images do not take part in our everyday desision making every day...
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
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