|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
Curious_Me
Curious Hiker
Registered: 06/26/08
Posts: 14
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
|
Do you think animals can understand?
#8613379 - 07/09/08 02:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Ive read a lot of stories about people tripping or being high with their pets, and I myself have experienced it too. While high, my friends cat hopped onto my lap and just kept searching around at me and purring, acting like a sober friend having fun with a high friend.
Do you think animals can understand? Also, a friend of mine left an extremely low dose of mushrooms on his counter, and his dog jumped up and ate them and started tripping while my friend was sober. My friend realized the dog had eaten some mushrooms, and left some out the next day. The dog ate them, and began to trip again. Do you think that the dog liked what had happened the night before, and concluded that eating the mushrooms created the effect?
|
Hiei
8======><=====8
Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 2,648
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: Curious_Me]
#8613829 - 07/09/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
My answer is no, they can't understand (I wish they could). Animals don't think. They just act. It's all about insinct for them. And I'm pretty sure animals wouldn't be able to trip at all... how can you "TRIP" with no thoughts after all?
Anyway, right today I was thinking that there should be WAY more studies and researches on mushrooms and psychedelics in general.
-------------------- ◄►۞◄►
Edited by Hiei (07/09/08 04:42 PM)
|
LSDaytripper
Believer
Registered: 08/04/07
Posts: 649
Loc: Ohio
Last seen: 1 year, 1 month
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: Hiei]
#8613872 - 07/09/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I think cats can definitely sense when people are tripping, whether they 'understand' it or not. Last night, I had the most intense trip of my life with my best friend, and his cats followed us around for much of the night through all of our walks and stuff, always rubbing up against us and almost guiding us at times. His cat is grey and has blue eyes, but last night I swear he took on a completely different appearance, with blonde stripes and an almost alien like presence. He didn't 'talk' to us like some cliche movie or something, but rather just sent really strange vibes. I don't know if we were just tripping and blew it way out of proportion, but that cat was not acting normal for sure.
-------------------- ***** (10:42:46 PM): This is so strange ***** (10:42:53 PM): Becuase I feel that I am very altered ***** (10:42:57 PM): But at the same exact time ***** (10:43:28 PM): I am closer to the real me, the real me who decides who I am, the entire me
|
Paulrus
Man Simplified
Registered: 04/04/08
Posts: 402
Loc: USA
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: Hiei]
#8613900 - 07/09/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hiei said: Animals don't think. They just act. It's all about insinct for them. And I'm pretty sure animals wouldn't be able to trip at all... how can you "TRIP" with no thoughts after all?
While for the most part, that is true for wild animals, I believe the OP is talking about domesticated animals such as dogs or cats as pets.
Yes, I think they can understand, however I have not had enough experience with seeing my pets while tripping (I've spent most of the time outside or in my room late at night) to really be sure.
Edited by Paulrus (07/09/08 04:58 PM)
|
mariodiet
Rageing boner
Registered: 12/15/07
Posts: 89
Last seen: 10 years, 5 months
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: Paulrus]
#8614131 - 07/09/08 06:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
The animals will no doubt pick up on you acting different then normal, but I don't personally believe that they have some telepathic capabilities that allow them to pick up on tripping vibes..just seems kinda far fetched to me.
-------------------- Well hey there.
|
g00ru
lit pants tit licker
Registered: 08/09/07
Posts: 21,088
Loc: georgia, us
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: mariodiet]
#8614146 - 07/09/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
There's a huge tendency amongst humans to think of ourselves as intelligent beings and all other animals as many orders of magnitude less intelligent. I don't think that's true at all. Animal intelligence probably increases and decreases with a relatively constant slope. Along that slope, dogs and cats are relatively smart animals. On top of that, Dogs are really good and sensing emotion. A dog can "smell" your fear. That's why when people get scared of dogs, the dogs sense that and thus get scared in return, which prompts them to be even more aggressive. I imagine it's the same thing with tripping. Dogs are around you all the time, they know how you normally act. When you're tripping, I definitely think they can sense it, and sort of know somethings up.
-------------------- check out my music! drowse in prison and your waking will be but loss
|
g00ru
lit pants tit licker
Registered: 08/09/07
Posts: 21,088
Loc: georgia, us
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: Hiei]
#8614153 - 07/09/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hiei said: My answer is no, they can't understand (I wish they could). Animals don't think. They just act. It's all about insinct for them. And I'm pretty sure animals wouldn't be able to trip at all... how can you "TRIP" with no thoughts after all?
Anyway, right today I was thinking that there should be WAY more studies and researches on mushrooms and psychedelics in general.
Animals definitely think, they just aren't aware of their thoughts. Have you ever seen a dog at all? They have the ability to play, to learn commands, even to pretend. They also have the ability to problem solve, albeit by trial and error rather than deductive reasoning.
-------------------- check out my music! drowse in prison and your waking will be but loss
|
RedRainDrop
LucidPsychonaught
Registered: 04/08/05
Posts: 941
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: LSDaytripper]
#8614165 - 07/09/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
LSDaytripper said: I think cats can definitely sense when people are tripping, whether they 'understand' it or not. Last night, I had the most intense trip of my life with my best friend, and his cats followed us around for much of the night through all of our walks and stuff, always rubbing up against us and almost guiding us at times. His cat is grey and has blue eyes, but last night I swear he took on a completely different appearance, with blonde stripes and an almost alien like presence. He didn't 'talk' to us like some cliche movie or something, but rather just sent really strange vibes. I don't know if we were just tripping and blew it way out of proportion, but that cat was not acting normal for sure.
I have had a similar experience with my cat... which is also grey... but has emerald green eyes.... i once tripped with him, and it was as if he could telepathically read my mind, and he was in the same state i was in. Its as if we were exploring each others minds.
I was struck by many foreign memories i knew were not of my own.
I think it has something to do with animals mimicking your current mood. And also has something to do with the mass consciousness, which fuels all living things.
-------------------- Fact: Saving the environment can take centuries A blow job can take up to 5 minutes. "When was the last time you heard green peace talk about the immense pleasure you get when you put your penis in someone Else's mouth? " -jonlajoie
|
g00ru
lit pants tit licker
Registered: 08/09/07
Posts: 21,088
Loc: georgia, us
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: RedRainDrop]
#8614186 - 07/09/08 06:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Am I crazy or was there a thread about this exact same thing like three weeks ago?
-------------------- check out my music! drowse in prison and your waking will be but loss
|
TheBandit
Infidel
Registered: 03/03/08
Posts: 1,655
Last seen: 13 years, 5 months
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: g00ru]
#8614193 - 07/09/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
hm. yeah, i remember when i use to roll all the time my cat would be extra loving towards me...rub on my face and stuff. It was weird. Another time i did coke...i dont think she got into it..idk maybe...but she started actin spazzy as fuck. ha.
-------------------- [quote]RogerRabbit said: Ah, that explains it. Typical know-it-all noob. We get a few thousand just like you register here every year. They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again. We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends. Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing. They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end. They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection. These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease. RR [/quote]
|
Allak
Stranger
Registered: 09/26/07
Posts: 86
Last seen: 10 years, 11 months
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: Curious_Me]
#8614395 - 07/09/08 07:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Domestic animals, particularly dogs, are pretty tuned into their owners mood. Based on actions and mannerisms no doubt. They behave differently when you're sad, or sick, or even really stressed. The fact that they sense something is up when you're high is no surprise to me.
As for actually having them trip with you? Pretty irresponsible in my opinion. I imagine toxicities are different in animals than humans, and proving to me they 'want to' would be hard. I would be crushed if I overdosed my dog on something, not knowing the canine toxicity...
|
thedudenj
Man of the Woods
Registered: 08/18/04
Posts: 14,684
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: Allak]
#8616048 - 07/10/08 02:27 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
depends on the pet and the owner. my friend's cat freaked out the other day when we and a lady friend were tripped and decided to pet the thing, after a few pets it kinda dissolved and then completely ignored us. then stared out the window mindlessly, you could poke it and it wouldnt really react. one minute it was cuddly the next tweeking. i can relate to the cat tho reminds me of when i have way too much psychedelics like ayahuaca,lsd,mushrooms, and more in high doses. I no longer am cuddly and am a bit tweeked. any who.
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb
Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 38,060
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: Allak]
#8616058 - 07/10/08 02:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
two separate ideas here 1. can animals think and 2. did the mushroom tripping dog enjoy magic mushrooms and understand that the mushrooms caused the trip so as to intentionally dose himself again.
=================
1. yes certainly but not using words: empathy, anticipation, play - these are in the domain of animal thinking, they involve specific memories and real self-awareness.
2. the mushroom dog has not written his report so I am not going to speculate, though I am pretty skeptical that it was intentional the second time.
-------------------- _ 🧠 _
|
thedudenj
Man of the Woods
Registered: 08/18/04
Posts: 14,684
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: redgreenvines]
#8616080 - 07/10/08 02:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
to a further note tho some animals like psychedelic drugs some dont, its kinda like poeple since they too are animals. some people eat drugs to trip, while others can trip off vibes, while others dont want to trip at all
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
|
Hiei
8======><=====8
Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 2,648
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: g00ru]
#8616105 - 07/10/08 03:24 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
guruu said: Animals definitely think, they just aren't aware of their thoughts. Have you ever seen a dog at all? They have the ability to play, to learn commands, even to pretend.(?) They also have the ability to problem solve, albeit by trial and error rather than deductive reasoning.
Are you talking about monkeys or dogs? Dogs just do what they're used to do for a bisquit.
I was talking about logical reasonings, which they can't do.
for example:
1) Every man will die (you start by a sure fact)
2) I'm a man (knowing or supposing this)
3) I will die (you get to this assured or not, depends on the 2), conclusion)
Now you can apply this to everything and dogs can't do it. I'm not saying they can't feel that you are tripping because to feel you don't need to think.
-------------------- ◄►۞◄►
|
Monkeycyst
Stranger
Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 237
Loc: Gimpsuit Cafe
Last seen: 11 years, 18 days
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: Hiei]
#8616296 - 07/10/08 06:37 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Dogs in my opinion don't 'sense' people's moods but are rather proficient at reading facial expressions and anomalies in the usual patterns of body movement by the subject(the owner or otherwise). They go by 'face value' and merely pick-up on changes - The idea that dogs 'smell' fear isn't right.. they just 'see' differences. Next time you experience a dog getting testy with you, imagine it just raped and murdered your entire family and display the resulting aggression.. works a treat. Unless it's a rabid Pit Bull, in which case you'll get your throat torn out.
Cats on the other hand appear to be more 'in-tune' with their owner's thoughts and demeanor in general. I figure tripping with your cat would be a much more rewarding experience. 4 shore.
As expressed earlier in this post, tripping with pet felines serves to reveal some astounding connections between owner and cat that just aren't possible with dogs. A dog would see that you are different but that's it. There's much more to the cat psyche than performing silly tricks in order to receive food from their owners. Much more.
Which reminds me of the quote that sums up the 'mystique' and complexity of domestic cats: "In ancient civilizations, cats were worshiped as gods.. and they haven't forgotten this." Love it.
And besides, dogs are filthy stinking whores that hump anything that bends over. Yeah, I'm a cat lover
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/9664/152389cr.jpg
-------------------- "Worry is preposterous. We don't know enough to worry."
|
g00ru
lit pants tit licker
Registered: 08/09/07
Posts: 21,088
Loc: georgia, us
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: Hiei]
#8616384 - 07/10/08 07:26 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hiei said:
Quote:
guruu said: Animals definitely think, they just aren't aware of their thoughts. Have you ever seen a dog at all? They have the ability to play, to learn commands, even to pretend.(?) They also have the ability to problem solve, albeit by trial and error rather than deductive reasoning.
Are you talking about monkeys or dogs? Dogs just do what they're used to do for a bisquit.
I was talking about logical reasonings, which they can't do.
for example:
1) Every man will die (you start by a sure fact)
2) I'm a man (knowing or supposing this)
3) I will die (you get to this assured or not, depends on the 2), conclusion)
Now you can apply this to everything and dogs can't do it. I'm not saying they can't feel that you are tripping because to feel you don't need to think.
Dogs can do trial and error. That's why electric fences work on them. It's a form of logical reasoning.
-------------------- check out my music! drowse in prison and your waking will be but loss
|
Monkeycyst
Stranger
Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 237
Loc: Gimpsuit Cafe
Last seen: 11 years, 18 days
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: g00ru]
#8616407 - 07/10/08 07:37 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
That's simple 'association' between pain and the source(electric fence). Pretty much standard throughout the Animal Kingdom that is.
|
g00ru
lit pants tit licker
Registered: 08/09/07
Posts: 21,088
Loc: georgia, us
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: Monkeycyst]
#8616413 - 07/10/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Call it what you want, the dog figured out that running into the fence hurts, so he stops. Dogs can figure out how to solve problems even. Look at this one
You can't tell me that dog intuitively knew how to climb that.
-------------------- check out my music! drowse in prison and your waking will be but loss
|
cynick420
stranger danger!
Registered: 10/19/05
Posts: 294
Loc: earth i think?
Last seen: 9 years, 8 months
|
Re: Do you think animals can understand? [Re: g00ru]
#8616611 - 07/10/08 08:56 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
animals are really in tune with picking up subtle differences in the people around them. they can often come to console you when you are sad, be playful when you are rowdy, and be fearful of you when you are angry. they can detect body language as well im sure as scent. i dont know if your scent is different on acid, or if by that much, but definitely something like coke is going to cause a lot of sweat mimicking that of someone being aggressive or energetic. ecstasy is causing pheremones to all hell i am sure... my cat will act weird around me rolling without having any time to read body language.
--------------------
|
|