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 Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea
#8607215 - 07/08/08 06:33 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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If this is something that could of really happened then maybe it explains about whats going on. Either way its a cool story that would make a awesome movie
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: WONKA]
#8607608 - 07/08/08 10:01 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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The idea that all our small choices could be played out on a multidimensional scale & effect other worlds related to ours is easily conceivable as fulfillment of experience is life & all life is interconnected.
Also the idea that there are civilizations out there thousands of years more advanced than us, seems obvious but when you think about it, its brilliant, life is so infinitly wonderful, the play of consciousness is never ending.
The idea of a psychedelic founded society which is fascinated with the truth of subjective impersonal life sounds awesome. Especially botanical utopia's, like planets similar to ours but preserved and treated with care, like the greenbelts they have around cities but as Mckenna says the greenbelt is from "pole to pole"
Something to bear in mind is all of this passes too, whatever we discover about life & the universe will be forgotten then discovered again, to find the lasting truth, find out who sees all this?
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Knowing yourself is to know the infinite Awareness that is seeing from the core of all beings
In an attempt to see itself infinite Awareness creates endlessly
It sees all creations but remains unseen
The consciousness "I" is its first reflection
Even the power to see is seen within itself
Naturally seeing flows outwards, focusing on the seen & interpreting nature
If the seeing stops flowing out & sees inwardly, to observe the nature of Self
the hypnotic cycles of identification are destroyed & liberation is attained
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: WONKA]
#8608839 - 07/08/08 04:15 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Wild. 
The music is the last two tracks of the new Ott album Skylon.
Songs are Roflcopter and A Shower of Sparks.
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: Chronic777]
#8609016 - 07/08/08 04:58 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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to find the lasting truth, find out who sees all this?
Might you have a symbol that conveys this message...??
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: backfromthedead]
#8613396 - 07/09/08 02:58 PM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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to find the lasting truth, find out who sees all this?
Might you have a symbol that conveys this message...??
If you saw a symbol for it, it would be insignificant because you would be there to see it. 
It comes down to if there is any object, there has to be a subject to see it, no object can exist without the subject so the subject is the ground of ALL being. And all of us are that subject, we are just so caught up in objects that we cant see it!
The subject is all pervasive & impersonal, it is the highest bliss which is like a thousand orgasms at once, but because we are attached to being personal we can only find bliss in objects, stay as the subject.
"Stay as the awareness" 
You are space & we are all space but we identify with thoughts and seem bound, we are never actually bound but just think we are. Deep in your mind is the space like awareness & this is in all beings.
It may sound threatening saying don't think and stay as you are but thats only because we are trained that thinking somehow makes us better or smarter or some thing more.
If you want to think about something, think about how whenever you feel bliss you cant think! Like during orgasm its impossible to think, as soon as you start to think the peak of orgasm is gone. This orgasmic bliss is there all the time we just think that we need something to feel it when in truth we need nothing at all.
"what you are looking for is where you are looking from"
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Knowing yourself is to know the infinite Awareness that is seeing from the core of all beings
In an attempt to see itself infinite Awareness creates endlessly
It sees all creations but remains unseen
The consciousness "I" is its first reflection
Even the power to see is seen within itself
Naturally seeing flows outwards, focusing on the seen & interpreting nature
If the seeing stops flowing out & sees inwardly, to observe the nature of Self
the hypnotic cycles of identification are destroyed & liberation is attained
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#8613931 - 07/09/08 05:08 PM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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Penguarky Tunguin said:
Wild.
The music is the last two tracks of the new Ott album Skylon.
Songs are Roflcopter and A Shower of Sparks.
Ha I've actually listened to a McKenna lecture on top of Skylon.
I love playing Psybient behind lectures and satsangs, it makes the talk much more intense.
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The major evolutionary step is taken when the individual says: "There is only one God who creates this universe. This God is my Brain. As the driver of this Brain I have created a universe in which there are innumerable other Gods of equal post-hive autonomy with whom I seek to interest. And my universe was, itself, created by a Higher Level of Divinity—DNA, whose mysteries and wonders I seek to understand and harmonize with." - Dr. Leary
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: Middleman]
#8614042 - 07/09/08 05:38 PM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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Some guy on here a few years ago was editing downtempo/lounge/ambient stuff to a bunch of people's lectures. McKenna, RAW, Alan Watts, etc. He released a 50 minute "album".
Did you happen to get it? Called Mysterium Tremendum - Psychedlia?
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#8614055 - 07/09/08 05:41 PM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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Huh no I never saw that, though I've thought of doing the same.
No wonder, it was in The Pub: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5334774#5334774
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: backfromthedead]
#8614365 - 07/09/08 07:10 PM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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to find the lasting truth, find out who sees all this?
Might you have a symbol that conveys this message...??
Dude...?? I'm not asking much. And definitely not asking for your advice or guidance. Symbolism is important to me because it transcends written language in more than one way. I'm not saying I don't want to read words... Just some words.
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: Chronic777]
#8617005 - 07/10/08 11:17 AM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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"If a tree falls in a forest an no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound? Simply no. A suitable measuring device can register the frequency made by the tree falling, but truly it is not pitch unless and until it is heard."
-Daniel Levitin
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: WONKA]
#8617327 - 07/10/08 12:35 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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AWww...fucking AWESOME! I loved that.
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: MOTH]
#8617452 - 07/10/08 01:09 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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this WOULD make a good scifi movie at least
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: Lethal Dose]
#8617709 - 07/10/08 02:16 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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"If a tree falls in a forest an no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound? Simply no. A suitable measuring device can register the frequency made by the tree falling, but truly it is not pitch unless and until it is heard."
-Daniel Levitin
Anything that vibrates in air produces SPL that is measured in dBs. Sound Pressure Level. Simply no...?? This Earthly constant provides that the sound would be heard in the first place. Ears are an evolutionary advantage adapted to the environment of intersecting waves. Secondary, imo, to the environment that evolves us. Sound is out there always, mostly. It takes ears to complete the registering of sound for a human, but that doesn't prove that without them sound/pitch doesn't exist. Especially in a tree fall... You would probably feel the vibration too.
It is not assigned a pitch until heard. 20Hz-20KHz. The sound is very much in the air as much as an ocean wave is in the ocean, but in 3d. You don't need to experience a Tsunami to know that one is coming... You would think.
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 Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: MOTH]
#8617745 - 07/10/08 02:28 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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I was hoping all of my shroomy friends would like this talk.
When I heard it my imagination took a novelty leap.
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: backfromthedead]
#8617917 - 07/10/08 03:24 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Lethal Dose said:
"If a tree falls in a forest an no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound? Simply no. A suitable measuring device can register the frequency made by the tree falling, but truly it is not pitch unless and until it is heard."
-Daniel Levitin
Anything that vibrates in air produces SPL that is measured in dBs. Sound Pressure Level. Simply no...?? This Earthly constant provides that the sound would be heard in the first place. Ears are an evolutionary advantage adapted to the environment of intersecting waves. Secondary, imo, to the environment that evolves us. Sound is out there always, mostly. It takes ears to complete the registering of sound for a human, but that doesn't prove that without them sound/pitch doesn't exist. Especially in a tree fall... You would probably feel the vibration too.
It is not assigned a pitch until heard. 20Hz-20KHz. The sound is very much in the air as much as an ocean wave is in the ocean, but in 3d. You don't need to experience a Tsunami to know that one is coming... You would think.
I quoted that bit from a book I read not too long ago called This is your brain on music. Levitin was basically describing how if a tree falls, it vibrates the air molecules around it, but sound is a human invention. It is the mind's interpretation of these vibrations, so in effect, "sound" does not exist in the physical world, it is just our brain's reaction to the physical wavelengths that occur.
Does that make sense? haha
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: Lethal Dose]
#8617937 - 07/10/08 03:29 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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So the sound of a tree falling in the forest sounds differently to a bear than it would me?
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#8618158 - 07/10/08 04:28 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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So the sound of a tree falling in the forest sounds differently to a bear than it would me?
There's no way to prove if it does or doesn't... seeing as neither you nor I are bears
That is kind of an interesting idea though, I've never really thought about that. Are the differences between human and bear ear anatomy strong enough that "sounds" are interpreted differently? I doubt it, but it's still kinda interesting 
I remember hearing in some lecture (I know we're getting farther and farther off topic, but I don't care) that people see colors differently. We give colors names... red... blue... green... etc, but is my green the same as your green? We may assign the same label to that color, but light, like sound, is a vibration, so we may perceive the light reflecting off of things in a different way (therefore, possibly different "colors").
It's not that absurd of an idea, really 
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: Lethal Dose]
#8618403 - 07/10/08 05:13 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Well, I've always hated that argument. What do you mean it doesn't make a sound? What about the birds that scatter or the deer that prance away scared shitless?
And the color thing,
That was my first "mind blowing" thought I ever had. Beginning of junior high I think.
Still boggles my mind. I can't imagine going to a baseball game and seeing the beautiful manicured green grass as bright orange! 
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#8618498 - 07/10/08 05:38 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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it depends how you define sound. yes, animals HEAR things. thats why they have ears and react to noises. what im saying is like colors, people/animals may hear sounds differently lol.
If you looked at things from my point of view, the world might resemble something from dr. seuss. you never know
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Re: Terence Mckenna idea I have never heard. Awesome idea [Re: Lethal Dose]
#8618786 - 07/10/08 06:37 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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so in effect, "sound" does not exist in the physical world
sound 1 (sound)
n.
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a. Vibrations transmitted through an elastic solid or a liquid or gas, with frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz, capable of being detected by human organs of hearing.
b. Transmitted vibrations of any frequency.
c. The sensation stimulated in the organs of hearing by such vibrations in the air or other medium.
d. Such sensations considered as a group.
2. A distinctive noise: a hollow sound.
3. The distance over which something can be heard: within sound of my voice.
4. Linguistics
a. An articulation made by the vocal apparatus: a vowel sound.
b. The distinctive character of such an articulation: The words bear and bare have the same sound.
5. A mental impression; an implication: didn't like the sound of the invitation.
6. Auditory material that is recorded, as for a movie.
7. Meaningless noise.
8. Music A distinctive style, as of an orchestra or a singer.
9. Archaic Rumor; report.
That quote only works when considering a specific definition of sound. In that case we can't hear a lot of frequencies(sounds). A dog hears a lot higher than a human. Our adaptation is specific to the sounds that are most concerning(survival). There are sounds we cannot hear. A dog whistle, maybe. Or 8Hz. Some sound systems can produce from 3Hz to 30,000Hz, which you can't hear. Sound is the physical vibration in air as much as it is an inner ear issue. Sound comes before ears, imo. Sound has more than one definition. Sound pressure level is what a speaker produces as well as any vibration. Watch a sub woofer work and know that it is producing actual pressure and negative pressure and propagating a wave structure into air. The air molecules are what sound is. Compression, decompression, peak, trough... Its there. Then it hits our ears and ear drums (only like 770 miles an hour) which are the reverse of a speaker, a microphone. The ear drum mirrors the sounds coming in from outside and sends a sympathetic electrical signal to the brain, imo. Much like a mic to a mixing console. Sound travels in water differently and we hear this difference as a coloration. The medium on which it travels, and the rooms in which it reverberates, or valleys... Color the sound pre inner ear. It takes a mouth, kinda, to make a sound. Not really ears. Ears to hear...??
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