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Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ?
#8604097 - 07/07/08 11:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone here into kettlebells ? I feel so much younger and better since transitioning from powerlifting to mainly kettlebells . Kettlebells are great for developing what's known as "strength endurance" . Here's what they are for those who have never seen them . Like with dumbells there are hundreds of exercises you can do with kettlebells working out the entire body . Here are just a couple :
Not just for the guys ! :
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: Rammstein]
#8604103 - 07/07/08 11:53 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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that actually looks like a really good work out, great for arms at least. im fine with dumbells though
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: psthomas4]
#8604113 - 07/07/08 11:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Honestly, that looks kinda dangerous. 
I can't imagine a gym full of those guys!!
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As with any lifting not dangerous with proper form but I doubt they will ever go really main steam which is fine with me . The way they are off center makes them harder to lift and encorporates more muscle groups than normal weights . A 53 pound kettlebell to me feels like an 80 pound dumbbell . Since they are a niche item the cost per pound is much higher than with dumbbels unfortunately, but you tend to need less of them , a set of 16kg,24kg and 32kg bells and that'll last most men for life. They are a national sport in Russia and very popular in Russia, Latvia and baltic states :
A set of 2 arm swings gets me huffin for air much more so than any other exercise I've done.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: Rammstein]
#8604176 - 07/07/08 12:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just got into kettlebells recently, as a results of discussing them in this forum. There's actually been a lot of talk about kettlebells here in the last month or two. Lots of good links and resources posted. Do a quick search for 'kettlebell'
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: Rammstein]
#8604863 - 07/07/08 03:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I use kettlebells sometimes at my boxing gym. I love them. I wish I could find them cheap somewhere around here.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: Rammstein]
#8605158 - 07/07/08 05:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I use kettlebells in my physical training. My standard workout weight right now is 70 lb (32kg), but I often use a 53 lb (24kg) for some types of exercises. I have found that they build strength, flexibility, and endurance quickly if used appropriately.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#8605341 - 07/07/08 05:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I use them. I mainly use a 25lb,30lb and am starting on the 35lb for presses and snatches. For swings I usually use a 61, or 53lb.
I love that I can keep my heart rate high throughout an entire workout. I also like that I don't get bored during my workouts.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: Rammstein]
#8609309 - 07/08/08 05:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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been a user since September of Aught Six.
I used to do a whole variety of exercises in my routine, but now I am down to just a few of my faves. This is my current workout:
I take my hiking daypack to the gym and put a 25 lb plate in the pack, then walk 20 minutes on the stairmill, usually I get to about 90-95 floors.
next, 10 minutes of abs. learn as many ab exercises as you can and then cycle through them, taking only small 10 second breaks between. it wont bore you if you are always doing something different. 10 minutes will go by quicker than you think. also, mix up your positions when doing abs. on your back, ass in the air (planks, ab wheels, etc.) and standing upright.
next, turkish get ups. I use a 35 lb dumbbell, 2 sets of 5 for each leg.
then I go home to do pushups: sets of 40, 30, 25, 20, and 10. in between the sets of pushups i alternate KB presses, bottoms up presses, and "Larry Birds."
on days I dont go to the gym, I do the above upper body workout but include: 200 KB snatches - 25 reps for each arm per set - and in between sets of snatches I do 20 KB pass thru lunges.
I have the 35 lb KB.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: MrBump]
#8609493 - 07/08/08 06:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can do two get ups per side with the 35lb, then I have to go to the 30lb. I do five per side. If I get up to my knee and do not immediately go on up to standing (usually because my bottom foot isn't placed exactly right or something), its like I loose my nerve and then my strength goes. It is weird and can be frustrating, especially when I have no problem with the exact same move once I start over again (unless I pause or think too much about it again ).
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: sunflower]
#8610634 - 07/08/08 10:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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hmmm, my instructor (from what I recall) always wanted the class to remember that the get up is to be done very slowly, it's not a race. I am usually good about not doing the movement fast, but fatigue sets in on the last couple reps and I just want to complete the set. this usually leads to a very off balance movement in the stand up part of the move. I can usually overcome it w/ brute strength - altho it would look very awkward in the mirror, but i have fallen/ dropped the weight a few times.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: MrBump]
#8612480 - 07/09/08 09:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The getup is done at whatever speed you are stable and comfortable with in perfect form. Most beginners are encouraged to not work for time to maintain form.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#8613012 - 07/09/08 12:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cornking did you have an RKC instructor? Just curious.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: Rammstein]
#8613126 - 07/09/08 12:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I lifted one. It's heavy. But fun to swing.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: Icelander]
#8613923 - 07/09/08 04:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ice here is an interesting article for using a light kettlebell to increase VO2Max. It is a popular training protocol that takes very little time each week:
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The original Kenneth Jay post on DragonDoor Re: maxVo2 training KJ killing the Beast.
Training to increase Max Vo2 with a kettlebell.
I will share with you one of my best advanced protocols for improving VO2max and lactate buffering capacity using the kettlebell.
To improve the 10 min. Secret Service Snatch Test you need to tax the oxidative energy pathways as well as the glycolytic pathways. Basically that means that you should train to stimulate your VO2max and your lactate producing and buffering capacities.
The program below is derived from the latest research on improving 10-15 min. work bouts. Most research is done on running and bicycling for good reason but based on findings from these studies it is possible to specifically design optimal SSST programs using this data and the knowledge of VO2 kinetics during submaximal and maximal work.
I will not go into the deep theory behind this kind of training but rather just provide you with a protocol you can start doing immediately. Should you be interested in knowing in detail why and how it works I hope to see you at the RKC II where there is a possibility of discussing it further.
The first thing you have to do is to establish at what snatch cadence you come the closest to eliciting your VO2max. This is done by doing an incremental test that lasts no less than 6 minutes. Basically you just start out very slow and for each minute you increase the cadence. When you have get to the 6th minute you go all out snatching as many times as you can without stopping for at least one minute. The test might look like this but is subject to individual differences:
1st minute: 10 reps left arm 2nd minute: 12 reps right arm 3rd minute 15 reps left arm 4th minute: 17 reps right arm 5th minute: 18 reps left arm 6th minute: 26 reps right arm (all out effort)
The 6th minute reflects your VO2max cadence, hence that will be your interval training tempo. It is very important for the protocol that you continued snatching for the entire 6th minute. (make sure afterwards you balance out the numbers of snatches performed on each side so each side get a total equal amount of work).
In this example the VO2max cadence = 26reps
The interval work/rest time is determined to 36 sec. which is 60% of one min.
In those 36 sec. you need to keep your VO2max cadence = 26reps x 60% = approx. 16 reps.
So the setup is as follows:
VO2max/lactate tolerance and buffering:
Work/rest ratio: 1:1 (36 sec of work separated by 36 sec of rest.)
Number of intervals: at least 10 and the goal is to work up to 17+ sets before you test the SSST.
Number of reps per set: 16 (it is very important NOT to go faster or slower. DO NOT speed up to get more rest- it will ruin what you are trying to do.)
If your hands can take it do this at least twice per week. Only substitute with swings if it is really necessary. The program is based on the specific VO2 kinetics of the snatch not the swing.
The program is very taxing and one should always build up volume slowly.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: sunflower]
#8614039 - 07/09/08 04:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
sunflower said: Cornking did you have an RKC instructor? Just curious.
I did, he taught several classes at the gym where I was a member. I took about 12 classes w/ him before he moved to some resort in Mexico. it was a good deal too, only cost about $40 for the class. The guy was f*cking scary ripped.
Our class started w/ about 15 people, by the fifth class we were down to 5, he worked us like dogs. interestingly, I was the only guy in the class.
EDIT: When I bought my first KB, I also bought a dvd to see if I could pick up anything else. but there is nothing that can compare to a live person instructing you.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: MrBump]
#8614831 - 07/09/08 07:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lucky dog! I would love to spend an hour with an RKC, to see if what I am doing is correct. I can follow books and videos but it just isn't the same.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: sunflower]
#8615903 - 07/10/08 12:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah, i would recommend finding an actual live RKC instructor. I think dragondoor.com has a list. but the guys who run classes in Denver charge something around $30 a session, ummmm fuck that.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: MrBump]
#8616196 - 07/10/08 04:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd love to be able to learn from Steve Cotter in person . I have several of his DVDs but nothing beats hands on instruction. I've done "hard style" (RKC) for a couple years but am starting to gravitate towards GS style just for the experience.
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Re: Any Kettlebell Lifters Here ? [Re: Rammstein]
#8616411 - 07/10/08 06:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the GS style looks awkward, of course that is probably because I have been doing RKC. Also, Steve Cotter is amazing, he makes everything look effortless and he is not super massive or anything.
I would pay 30$ for a session with an RKC. I pay way more than that to fill up the tank of my car.
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