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 redgreenvines
irregular verb
Registered: 04/08/04
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revenge is bad business
each case is different
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 23,817
Loc: underbelly
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I take revenge against house flies.
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” ~Stephen Roberts
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Huehuecoyotl
Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 9,165
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 Re: The ethics of revenge [Re: Icelander]
#8621041 - 07/11/08 09:56 AM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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Never kill something your not going to eat.
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"A man of knowledge lives by acting, not by thinking about acting." - Carlos Castaneda
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 backfromthedead
Activated
Registered: 03/10/07
Posts: 3,590
Last seen: 4 months, 5 days
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WhiskeyClone said:
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NiamhNyx said:
Craving the suffering of the murderer seems to be a really unhealthy and negative coping mechanism, a weakness of character. My uncle is gone and he's not coming back. The man who killed him already has a shitty life and punishing him isn't going to change a damn thing. If anything I think it would be better for him to have to talk to my family and see what he's done to hurt people other than the man he killed. Justice is found in the perpetrator knowing and deeply feeling the implications of his actions and in our family grieving and coming to terms with the loss, it isn't allowing weakness and vindictive impulses to dominate an already terrible situation.
Great post. I agree fully.
Second that, for sure.
Sorry to hear.
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wyldeman007
Student
Registered: 06/03/06
Posts: 269
Loc: Minnesota
Last seen: 16 days, 5 hours
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NiamhNyx said:
It's funny that this topic is posted right now, because I've just been thinking about it myself. My uncle was stabbed to death last weekend, and several of my family members are in a rage looking for revenge. My other uncle put a picture of a noose as his facebook profile picture and joined a group called "bring back capital punishment." Even my mom (who's usually a bit more calm and semi-rational) is saying that she won't be ok until the killer is in prison for life. The thing is, none of us yet fully know the circumstances around it. They were buddies and they were drinking that night. That's all we know. It could have been premeditated, or it could have been a drunken clumsy lunge that hit the wrong spot. I just think it's totally fucking insane to talk about hanging a guy when we don't even know what happened for sure. Yes, its terrible and sad but it isn't going to bring back my uncle.
Craving the suffering of the murderer seems to be a really unhealthy and negative coping mechanism, a weakness of character. My uncle is gone and he's not coming back. The man who killed him already has a shitty life and punishing him isn't going to change a damn thing. If anything I think it would be better for him to have to talk to my family and see what he's done to hurt people other than the man he killed. Justice is found in the perpetrator knowing and deeply feeling the implications of his actions and in our family grieving and coming to terms with the loss, it isn't allowing weakness and vindictive impulses to dominate an already terrible situation. As 'they' say, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind."
I believe you to be a person of immense integrity, also I'm sorry for your loss.
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"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
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Dude96
Registered: 05/25/08
Posts: 283
Loc: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Last seen: 14 hours, 46 minutes
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Re: The ethics of revenge [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8623766 - 07/11/08 10:20 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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NiamhNyx said:
It's funny that this topic is posted right now, because I've just been thinking about it myself. My uncle was stabbed to death last weekend, and several of my family members are in a rage looking for revenge. My other uncle put a picture of a noose as his facebook profile picture and joined a group called "bring back capital punishment." Even my mom (who's usually a bit more calm and semi-rational) is saying that she won't be ok until the killer is in prison for life. The thing is, none of us yet fully know the circumstances around it. They were buddies and they were drinking that night. That's all we know. It could have been premeditated, or it could have been a drunken clumsy lunge that hit the wrong spot. I just think it's totally fucking insane to talk about hanging a guy when we don't even know what happened for sure. Yes, its terrible and sad but it isn't going to bring back my uncle.
Craving the suffering of the murderer seems to be a really unhealthy and negative coping mechanism, a weakness of character. My uncle is gone and he's not coming back. The man who killed him already has a shitty life and punishing him isn't going to change a damn thing. If anything I think it would be better for him to have to talk to my family and see what he's done to hurt people other than the man he killed. Justice is found in the perpetrator knowing and deeply feeling the implications of his actions and in our family grieving and coming to terms with the loss, it isn't allowing weakness and vindictive impulses to dominate an already terrible situation. As 'they' say, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind."
Sorry for you loss, and I must say, you're a bigger man than I.
On a different note I'd like to field a situation, everyone feel free to answer accordingly.
Imagine the closest person..no, i'll take it a step further, the closest people you have. The amazing times you've had, the amazing times to come, the way these people make you feel. The way that you love them, be it as friends or more (relative, wife or husband, daughter or son, for example).
Imagine that person being deliberately taken from you. Maliciously, not in an ill conceived way by someone with a poor life..simply by someone who didn't and still does not care.
What would you do?
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TheEyeIsWatching
Stranger
Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 35
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Re: The ethics of revenge [Re: Dude96]
#8624195 - 07/12/08 01:47 AM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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I'd do what I think they'd want me to do ... and knowing my loved ones, they'd want me to move on and not act on my deep desire for revenge.
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