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 For those of you that have experience with morning glories...
#8599025 - 07/05/08 10:39 PM (3 months, 9 hours ago) |
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So tomorrow night i am planning on tripping morning glory seeds. I have gave morning glories several attempts only to actually trip the last time i tried them. Last time i did approx 400 seeds, cold water extraction method, added mint oil, and took with some bud and fresh ginger root for the nausea. I for sure tripped last time, tho it was somewhere between a light and moderate trip...The biggest thing that stands out and how i know it tripped was my sense of time was fucked, the night felt like forever. My pupils were completely dilated, had some body load but also experienced some euphoria toward the last 1/2 of the trip, i felt very happy and had permi-smile for a while  ...
Now here is where you all come in...I'm not sure where to go with my dosage for tomorrow. I really want to go deeper than last time, i want to see what LSA can do. Just to give you an idea of what I'm looking for, Out of 10 lets say my trip last time was a "2 or 3", tomorrow i want to go to a "6 or 7". I don't want the trip to be weak like last time, i don't want to trip crazy hard but if that happens i will just go with it. It is just hard for me to get an idea of how many seeds to take, with erowids numbers looking far low to apply to me. So for those of you that have experimented with MG seeds can you suggest a dosage for me? I was thinking 600-700 seeds....
My experience...
-Shrooms several times (dosage ranging 3.5g-5g)
-MDMA a few times
-Salvia 40x
-Morning glory
-Daily toker 
I don't have tons of psychedelic experience on my belt but i do my research on anything before i try it....And i think i handle psychedelics pretty well, i usually just let things flow, try to get fully immersed in the experience & see how deep i can go.
For tomorrow i plan on doing a CWE method, adding mint oil, taking ginger root and bud for nausea. The past several days i have bumped up my vitamin intake as well as upping my 5-HTP dose.
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 Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: openmind]
#8599061 - 07/05/08 10:49 PM (3 months, 9 hours ago) |
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Light 50 - 100 seeds 1.5 - 3 g
Common 100 - 250 seeds 3 - 6 g
Strong 250 - 400 seeds 6 - 10 g
Heavy 400 + seeds 10 + g
http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_dose.shtml
I dosed like 20g, and it was pretty intense.
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: MHbound]
#8599082 - 07/05/08 10:54 PM (3 months, 9 hours ago) |
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MHbound said:
Light 50 - 100 seeds 1.5 - 3 g
Common 100 - 250 seeds 3 - 6 g
Strong 250 - 400 seeds 6 - 10 g
Heavy 400 + seeds 10 + g
http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_dose.shtml
I dosed like 20g, and it was pretty intense.
Well that's what im saying, erowids dosage doesn't apply to me all that much. Last time i took approx 400 seeds weighed out to somwhere around 14g, and had a really light trip. Im looking for someone that has experimented with MG seeds and can point me in some sorta direction...
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: openmind]
#8599157 - 07/05/08 11:26 PM (3 months, 9 hours ago) |
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Could have been the seeds. The blue variety are best. Try somewhere near 20 maybe like 15 or so grams. You may be looking for too much out of these seeds. I was like you...I have an extremely high tolerance to psychedelics. I started with 8 grams didn't have much. 12 grams had a light trip, and next went to 20 grams had a pretty good time. Its hard to get 20 grams down though. I would do an extraction, but if you are doing it tomorrow you won't have time to do the extraction.
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: openmind]
#8599198 - 07/05/08 11:39 PM (3 months, 8 hours ago) |
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Well that's what im saying, erowids dosage doesn't apply to me all that much. Last time i took approx 400 seeds weighed out to somwhere around 14g, and had a really light trip. Im looking for someone that has experimented with MG seeds and can point me in some sorta direction...
Well it's good to know that I'm not the only one who appears to have a lot of tolerance to Morning Glory. I've taken 8g of Morning Glory, and I didn't feel anything at all except for some body effects, pupil dialiation, and it was fucking hard to talk. The only thing was that weed was a slightly more intense for me, but that's about it.
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: MHbound]
#8599199 - 07/05/08 11:40 PM (3 months, 8 hours ago) |
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Could have been the seeds. The blue variety are best. Try somewhere near 20 maybe like 15 or so grams. You may be looking for too much out of these seeds. I was like you...I have an extremely high tolerance to psychedelics. I started with 8 grams didn't have much. 12 grams had a light trip, and next went to 20 grams had a pretty good time. Its hard to get 20 grams down though. I would do an extraction, but if you are doing it tomorrow you won't have time to do the extraction.
True, i know seed quality does vary. They were Heavenly Blues. I think i may have an above average tolerance to psychedelics, for shrooming it took me 3.5g to finally get somewhat of a trip anything less than that and it was just a body high....For shrooms 5g will bring me to the level i want to be at......
The taste of the seeds has never bothered me all that much, it is pretty nutty sorta earthy taste...As far as nausea goes, every time prior to my last attempt it was there for sure, i would purge about 30 minutes into it. My last attempt i did 100 seeds more than usual and had no stomache or nausea probs all night. But i also took fresh ginger root for the first time and added mint oil which helps with the body load effects.....
Well i am doing a cold water extraction, but it is more like making a tea i guess....Last time i did an extraction it took me about 2 1/2 hours. Seeds ground in a blender, add 2 1/2 cups water, let it sit for 2 hours, filter off seed mush, drink....The way i understand after a certain amount of time not as many actives are going to release into the water and more of the nasty stuff will...
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: openmind]
#8599243 - 07/05/08 11:56 PM (3 months, 8 hours ago) |
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I've experience MG twice and HBW once. I can definately tell you that extractions involving extracting LSA into something that is not the seed, are horrible and usually make you feel like you had 1/2 the dose you just took. You should only extract some of the unwanted chemicals in the seed by things such as petroleum ether, but never extract the LSA itself because nothing is ever as good as a substitue as your stomach. Just grind 'em up(use any extraction method that won't extract the LSA is you want to), and then put them in one of your favorite meals such as pudding, or pizza.
Also, Hawaiian Baby Woodrose(HBW) seeds are A LOT BETTER, you only need like 10 for a heavy trip. Meaning there's a hell of a lot more LSA per seed, meaning there is a lot less of unwanted chemicals. You will get the same experience, without all the bad things. Less unwanted chemicals, less material ingested, less coming up and coming down time. Really recommend it. You might be able to get them anywhere they sell seeds, but they will probably not have it. Buying them onlince is best, get like 50 seeds for less than $20 at IAmShaman, or Shaman's Garden, so you can share a few with other people. 
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: skaterickets]
#8599265 - 07/06/08 12:05 AM (3 months, 8 hours ago) |
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Knowing that you need 5g for mushrooms you probably just need more. If you threw up only 30 minutes into it you probably lost a lot of the LSA in the seeds you threw up. Like skate said doing extractions usually don't yield as much LSA especially not the cold water extraction.
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: MHbound]
#8599591 - 07/06/08 02:10 AM (3 months, 6 hours ago) |
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I've done LSA a few times this summer out of sheer boredom. It was very unusual. Both times I took appox 15g. I don't know what the deal was but on each occasion the trip didn't start for HOURS. Seriously, I ate them at 6:30ish and didn't star trippin until 8:30-9. Whats that all about. Related-took 2 hours for a dose of 2-CE to take effect on Fri night
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: CapnSkoo]
#8599603 - 07/06/08 02:15 AM (3 months, 6 hours ago) |
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Yep. It takes your stomach awhile to do the extraction, and break down all the shit. It seems to come on a little faster without food in your stomach.
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: MHbound]
#8599617 - 07/06/08 02:23 AM (3 months, 6 hours ago) |
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I had a small lunch but that was it. Is it normal for it to come on so slow?
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: MHbound]
#8599618 - 07/06/08 02:24 AM (3 months, 6 hours ago) |
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From the looks of it, I find the Erowid guideline basically spot on for the Heavenly Blue variety of seeds. I think that you have to realize that the Erowid guidelines are the result of input from numerous people who have experimented with the seeds. If you ask around here, you might only get a handful of responses. Erowid's information represents what may be a good number of people.
The least number of seeds I have felt an effect from is around 50. 200 - 300 has produced results consistently, though I have had experiences with 200 seeds that have blown me away with visuals (like a good level 3 trip by the Carl Graeme system) while in other cases 300 seeds has been a low level 3 (same system). I have only ventured near 400 a few times and find the vasoconstriction very uncomfortable and would not do that again.
I'm afraid there's not much I can suggest. I simply don't think it's a very good idea to go into really high doses with these seeds, so my advice is to move on and try something else.
Why do you add mint oil when doing the extraction?
When you do the extraction, do you grind the seeds before soaking in water? Do you wash the solids remaining in the filter with a little water?
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: CapnSkoo]
#8599621 - 07/06/08 02:25 AM (3 months, 6 hours ago) |
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Has every time for me. I get sick at first, and get sleepy...Then the trip starts.
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: MHbound]
#8599625 - 07/06/08 02:31 AM (3 months, 5 hours ago) |
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Ya. Sleepy. Last time I woke from a nap on the couch only to discover I was trippin. Pretty cool.
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: CapnSkoo]
#8599698 - 07/06/08 02:58 AM (3 months, 5 hours ago) |
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700<x<1000
x=the amount of mg seeds you should chew up and eat
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: TheBulb2005]
#8599796 - 07/06/08 04:02 AM (3 months, 4 hours ago) |
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Gettin the right dose for me is usually a crap shoot. I'm hypersensitive to some things, and hardened against others. Its confusing.
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: CapnSkoo]
#8600074 - 07/06/08 08:23 AM (3 months, 7 minutes ago) |
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Knowing that you need 5g for mushrooms you probably just need more
Yeah, because i have tried shrooms from several different sources and i always seem to have quite a tolerance.
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I had a small lunch but that was it. Is it normal for it to come on so slow?
The last time i did them it took about 2 hours to reach a point of what i would call "trippping". I fasted for 1/2 a day but had a slice of toast when dosing...
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Why do you add mint oil when doing the extraction?
When you do the extraction, do you grind the seeds before soaking in water? Do you wash the solids remaining in the filter with a little water?
There is this new preperation experiment going on, theory is that adding mint oil changes LSA into LSH. LSH is said to have less body load, and it isn't as sedating as LSA. LSH is described as 1/2 way between LSA and LSD....There is much more to it i suggest reading this thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8446365#8446365 .
Yes, before i put the seeds in the water i put them in a blender and get them ground to a semi-coarse powder. Then let it blend on low for a few minutes. When i filter off the seed material i do try to press out any water that is retained in it, and pour a little bit of water over it....
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Gettin the right dose for me is usually a crap shoot. I'm hypersensitive to some things, and hardened against others. Its confusing.
I think i just have a above average tolerance to psychedelics, atleast so far. So im never to sure...
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Edited by openmind (07/06/08 01:59 PM)
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: openmind]
#8600268 - 07/06/08 10:14 AM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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There is this new preperation experiment going on, theory is that adding mint oil changes LSA into LSH. LSH is said to have less body load, and it isn't as sedating as LSA. LSH is described as 1/2 way between LSA and LSH....There is much more to it i suggest reading this thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8446365#8446365 .
Yeah, I've read that thread. Not sure what I think of it though. I'd have to read it again to see the references for the LSH activity, etc.
Morning glories have more than just lysergic acid amide in them. They have a bunch of alkylamide derivatives in them, like ergonovine (ergometrine, lysergic acid propanolamide). Carrying out a reaction by adding pure acetaldehyde (if I recall correctly) to lysergic acid amide is one thing, but you're adding mint oil to something with a mixture of amides. I don't think it's a very bright idea.
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: Plasmid]
#8600908 - 07/06/08 02:05 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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lsh never passes the blood brain barrier, the main truely psychededelic component of morning glories is ergonovine, which is lysergic acid propanolamide, lsh is a little more than a myth, true it exists, but it usually breaks down before it can pass the blood brain barrier
tregar does very well to explain it in his thread over in the chemistry forum
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Re: For those of you that have experience with morning glories... [Re: Plasmid]
#8600943 - 07/06/08 02:20 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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Alright, well i am going to start my preparation soon....Plasmid thanks for the info and bringing certain points to my attention, and thank you to TheBulb2005 for being the only person that actually threw out a number...
I guess i am going to add 300 more seeds than last time, so I'm looking at 700 seeds. This is the only way to find out, I've tried MG several times in the past year and have came quite far from the first time i tried, no sense in stopping now. I will get back to you all later tonight or tomorrow and report how it went....
Though i have never experienced any vasoconstriction i have also never dosed this many seeds, i was wondering what i could take to lessen the vasoconstriction effects?...
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