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j0nnyb0y05 said:
so my questoin is, can you store large liquid amounts in a freezer or something for that long and still have it be potent or even work? 

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j0nnyb0y05 said:
Well shit, i didnt mean everyone to run here and scream he is lying, i was just wondering if thats even possible in the first place. (read the post) I am going to find out for myself and i will let everyone know, so i dont even know how you guys are jumping to conclusions already when nothing has been tested.

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Ok, once you eat the acid, come back and le us know whether it tasted a few decades old, or if it was fresh

No one said it wasn't acid... what we're saying is that someone claiming to be slinging ancient doses is full of crapp, 9999 times out of 10000

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songcycle67 said:
So if your friend does have a jug full of "60's acid" it's most-likely from an unknown source and of an unknown purity/dose making it just as good as anything else you'd find on the street today, if not worse due to the inavailability of proper lab supplies to underground LSD chemists operating in the 60's and early 70's.

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Yeah, because chromatography columns, hot plate stirrers, flasks and common pieces of laboratory equipment have only become available in the last five years. . .

Give me a break man.  Don't babble on about all of this mystical "oh it's so hard to make LSD and get the equipment to make it, you need like three PhDs in organic chemistry, $3000000 in lab equipment, and a magic stirring wand and even then it's just not going to be good acid because nobody knows the secret Sandoz recipe which was patented and is freely available online."

There are three starting materials that would take a good deal of resourcefulness to acquire: diethylamine, hydrazine and lysergic acid.  That's *if* you want to do it according to the Sandoz patent.  The actual process itself requires nothing more complicated than mixing, heating, stirring and using a simple chromatography column with a UV light.  This is hardly high tech. 

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People who have access to quantities of quality acid like this (and there are a few) are extremely well-connected people

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90% of the LSD being produced back then was black gunk.

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Lab technology has improved tenfold since the 60's and techniques have evolved that yield a much cleaner product.

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300,000 capsules were made in Owsley's first run--it wouldn't take long to produce 50,000.  It's entirely possible that there's a gallon of acid from the 60's sitting in someone's basement, but there are factors that limit whose basement and where:

Firstly, it's definitely not Sandoz.  No one has a gallon of Sandoz.  It's most-likely not pharmaceutical at all.  I don't think that point requires any explanation.

From 1966-1971 the only acid of any quality/worth keeping being produced in bulk was Owsley/Nick Sand/Tim Scully acid--all of which was distributed in large quantities in mainly four places:  chicago, new york, oregon, and california.  If there is a whole gallon (assuming it's not heavily dilluted) of "60's acid" sitting somewhere right now you can bet it's some of Owsley and co.'s and how someone managed to attain and hold on to a gallon of it would be an extremely interesting story as Owsley's operation (and later the Brotherhood of Eternal Love) never gave this much to a single party at any one time either for personal or distribution purposes.  It just wouldn't have happened I don't think.  Acid moved from dealer to buyer extremely quickly in those days as everyone was hit with acid fever in the late '60s and early '70s.  If there's a gallon of quality acid from the 1960's sitting somewhere, it's either in the hands of the cook that made it or it's in Australia sitting amongst stacks of meat and eggs in Owsley's fridge.

Also acquiring street acid in liquid form was incredibly hard in those days as Owsley and all of his offspring tabbed all their runs in lightshielded powder-filled pills.

It wasn't until the early 70's that microdots, blotter, liquid and other forms became popular and viable means of distribution.

So if your friend does have a jug full of "60's acid" it's most-likely from an unknown source and of an unknown purity/dose making it just as good as anything else you'd find on the street today, if not worse due to the inavailability of proper lab supplies to underground LSD chemists operating in the 60's and early 70's.

Sorry, but it's the truth.  And I've seen so many of these "my dad's friends buried a six foot tall crystal of sandoz in mexico in '71" stories lately.  People who have access to quantities of quality acid like this (and there are a few) are extremely well-connected people who were in the subculture well before the "psychedelics boom" in the middle 60's.  Even then a gallon is an outlandish amount.  The acid scene was so dry by the mid-70's that there were hardly no private stocks left.

What's the obsession with having "60's acid" anyway?  Aside from Owsley and co., Czech, and Sandoz, all of which are just ridiculously unfindable, 90% of the LSD being produced back then was black gunk.  Lab technology has improved tenfold since the 60's and techniques have evolved that yield a much cleaner product.

God damn.

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yageman said:
the custy that said

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yageman said:
The acid bunker.

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