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 Djoum
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 Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic.
#8598403 - 07/05/08 07:36 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Here is a brief essay describing a recent intuition I had. What do people think?
A Theory and A Practical Exercise to help resolve stagnant dualistic contradictions in our culture.
Yogic Mysticism, the search for connection with the All, suggests theories of the cosmos which can be tried through experimentation with one’s own consciousness. The shape of this tradition I now follow:
The Failure of Dualistic Thought: A Third Way
I think that one important way to escape the semantic confusion of western culture is to recognise the intuitive failure of dualistic thought. IMO every apparent dualism (geometrically represented as two points linked by a line) is resolvable through the exercise of applying a third point to the dualistic semantic geometry, thus creating a trinity. To better visualise this, try drawing an equilateral triangle on a piece of paper. The triangle is much more geometrically integrated than a line. And, I have found, provides a fertile ground for resolving dualistic contradictions in thought processes.
By changing your semantics from dualistic line based, to trinity triangular based thoughts, you have a powerful tool to deconstruct fallacious dualistic thought.
For instance, in the West there is a common dualism pertaining to the relation between the ego-self and the 'Great Other' ('rest of universe'). It is the view that the ego is the inside of consciousness, and the higher self is located on the outside. The outside is known as either God or Goddess, depending on cultural mythology. One is usually emphasised over the other. In New Ageism, for instance, the Goddess risks over-emphasis. In Judeo-Christianity, it is God which risks over-emphasis.
Applying the exercise, I postulated that the ego self is one point of a trinity (point a). I looked to the yin-yang continuum, archetypal Gaia/God mythology, yoga principles and information from ‘binaural beat technology’ (see note below) to inform the other two points.
Let the second point (b), be Gaia. This is the energy that Yoga identifies as flowing through the earth up your feet, that you experience when grounding your chakras. It is experienced as a conscious vibration of less than 1hz, ‘epsilon states’. Archetypal mythology terms this locus of the cosmos 'goddess' and Taoism calls it yin.
Let the third point (c), be God. This energy is the divine source which yoga teaches is connected with your body through the crown. It is associated with a conscious vibration of over 30hz, gamma states. Archetypal mythology terms this locus of the cosmos ‘God’ and Taoism calls it yang.
We thus have a trinity which seems a better model to describe the relation of the self to the universe (man-energy vibrations below pragmatic perception-energy vibrations above) than a duality of man-God. This resolves a counterintuitive implication of the dualistic model, where God is deemed perfection. Dualistically, man must therefore be imperfection.
A trinity allows both perfection and imperfection within a point, so no conflict occurs. In order to understand how this can be, and to gain a handle on aligning the trinity so it can be both imperfection and perfection on the same cross-continuum, supplement your triangle with another, creating a hexagram.
You now have the model to be able to visualise the role polarities play within a trinity. Using this model, you have a tool to mediate polarities to come to the Centre.
From Trinity to Hexagram
To understand the role of polars in a hexagraphic trinity, add a second equilateral triangle to your trinity so that the inside of the shape is now a regular hexagon. Draw a line through the three sets of opposite points created by this hexagon. On each line, visualise a single point, representing the balance of polarities. These do not represent dualisms in a semantic sense, but can be seen as the median position of yin and yang on a continuum. You therefore have three yin-yang relationships positioned in relation to each other. In a traditional yin yang, the energies are exactly balanced – the point is at the centre. Your goal is to bring all three polarities to the centre.
Where the lines meet in the exact middle of the hexagram represents the centre of the universe, alignment of cosmic energies. It is your centre and THE centre both at once. Emphasis addressed towards the yin-yang polars mediates the relative position of the point in each. The triangle created by these points is the ‘inner trinity’. When each point is aligned, it will be at the exact centre of the geometry. It will be both a point and a triangle: No more duality.
This is the centre of the Mandala in Buddhist teaching.
Implications for our Socio-Culture.
Opening the crown and opening a direct connection with God is the primary goal of Judeo-Christian mystic endeavour. For some reason, reinterpretations of the Bible progressively undermined the role of the feminine yin in the cosmic balance. It was a mistake to drift away from the role the goddess plays in this trinity.
This drift IMO was one of the seeds that have led to the present situation, where organised Western religion suffers from a fundamental disconnect with the earth 'mother'. This disconnect can be seen in the way we treat our planet.
Consider that Mary Magdalene and Mary of Nazareth may have been two polars of a hexagraphic trinity representing the yin of the original teachings of christianity . Within this polar, Mary of Nazareth represents the yin of goddess energy, and Mary Magdalene represents the yang. They are two sides of the same continuum. To complete this, my hexagraphic representation of the original Judeo Chrisitian mythological trinity of (listing points, clockwise) can be drawn (a) Mary Magdalene, (feminine yin ego); (b) Jesus, (masculine yang ego); (c) holy ghost (genderless energy both divine and human, border between human and God), (d) Mary of Nazareth (divine feminine gaia) (e) God himself (divine masculine) (f) Elemental conflux (genderless energy both divine and human, border between human and Goddess).
(a) is a polar of (d), (b) is a polar of (e) and (c) is a polar of (f)
All of these elements comprise the universe, all are one where they intersect at the center, and all are themselves at the outer points. Expanding a duality to a hexagraphic trinity therefore satisfies the requirements of both quantum-theoretical AND Hindu/Buddhist cosmological logic that admits the following propositions about any object:
1. It is
2. It is not
3. It is and is not
4. It neither is nor is not
All are possible depending on which aspect of the hexagraphic trinity you focus your consciousness.
Dualistic thought allows only two logic propositions about any object:
1. It is
2. It is not
And is insufficient to explain the universe at a quantum level, and if the state of conflicting ideas throughout the world is anything to go by, any other level!
The original Judeo-Christian hexagram can therefore be repaired and used as a beginnings of a description of the interlocking dimensions that form the holographic universe we are experiencing.
I successfully used this exercise to attain a deep mystical experience disproportionate to the quantity of substance imbibed. I recommend you try it with full intent at least once if you are interested in the modern search for enlightenment.
Miscellaneous notes:
IMO the study of cosmic energies is a hexagonal polar of the study of particles on a quantum level. The order that is present in the quantum world informs all patterning in the visible, pragmatic world. Thus, one informs the other. You can learn from either and apply the insights you gain to the other. NB This is still experimental and not yet a hypothesis, just a thought.
If all of the above is correct, then by following the trinity exercise I have described, especially in a psychedelic state, you can attain to your own centre and thus, yoga teaches, make a significant step towards attaining to the Real and in turn, enlightenment (or perhaps enlightenment itself.) Certainly, this is a useful tool to reconcile dualities and begin to move towards a more subtle account of the cosmos, and the position of our culture within it.
The ‘elemental conflux’ point was derived from analysis of the father-son-holy ghost masculine trinity enshrined in Christianity.
A good listing of the cymatic frequencies used in binaural beat technology is at http://www.lunarsight.com/freq.htm. Interestingly, this site also implies that 30hz (the threshold of Beta and Gamma states) is vibrationally compatible with the substance cannabis.
Look to quantum physics for insight on the ‘holographic universe’ I made passing reference to. This is a working postulation just like Newton’s laws. It may not be exactly true, but going with it gives me results.
The discussion of the Hindu and Buddhist fourfold logical system was found in Berendt, Joachim Ernst, “Nada Brahma: The World is Sound”, first published in German 1983. English translation – Vermont: Destiny Books (1987)
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blewmeanie
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 Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Djoum]
#8598703 - 07/05/08 08:55 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Where's OC little chart when you need it?
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night and its stars,
or the grass and its bugs,
I know in my heart these swarms
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Djoum
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: blewmeanie]
#8598796 - 07/05/08 09:24 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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I don't have a basis for debating the validity of the statements in the video, but it is interesting nonetheless!
The above was written shortly after a deep mystical experience with LSD, meditation and acoustical engineering (a binaural beat tek i also intuited). Once I found the pattern of logic, I was able to shape my consciousness into first, a particle, then a line; triangle; tri-polar hexagon ; then my mind expanded to encompass mathematics I was unable to write down afterwards. However, the numbers and shapes formed a vast fractal. I had a sense of a holographic universe, and a universal self that exists as a common thread behind reincarnation cycles - the higher self.
An addendum:
this final bit was weird. I went out into the garden, and connected with the earth. A bird (a real flesh and blood one, a currawong as in my avatar) flew over me as if to swoop, but rather dove towards me then turned at the last moment so all I felt were it's soft tail feathers and underbelly. It happened at a point of dilation in my meditation (meditators and yogis know what I mean - the point where a level of the mind gives way to a new level of perception. This is not normal swooping behaviour for currawongs. They usually only swoop humans when they have chicks. Their breeding season is August to January, (the southern Spring and Summer)
I don't know what it meant, or if it even meant anything, but I have tried to provide a bit more context as to the actual experience that led me to the suggestions stated above. And the bird thing was, at least, a nice little synchronicity in my opinion.
Anyway, the Sirian doorway looks very interesting.
As a n00b, I don't know what orly or OC little chart means! Forgive my ignorance 
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 Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Djoum]
#8598853 - 07/05/08 09:45 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Orly = "Oh, really?"
OC = OrgoneConclusion = a poster here....
I am not familiar with the "little chart" either - not that I know of....
Neat synchronicity with the bird....
I have had a similar thing happen with a bird during a pinnacle "train of thought", but was not a drug induced experience....
It is a perplexing event when nature seems to line up in strange behaviors to "meaningful" internal dialog....
It is equally as strange when we perceive this as a sign that our topic of thought is somehow vindicated by the "strange event"....
The timing can be somewhat uncanny in such circumstances....
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blewmeanie
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8598915 - 07/05/08 10:09 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Gazing through the
night and its stars,
or the grass and its bugs,
I know in my heart these swarms
are the craft of surpassing wisdom.
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Djoum
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8598947 - 07/05/08 10:17 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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If we are undergoing a (seemingly productive) intuitive thought process, as in deep meditation, then our consciousness is in an intuitive shape. When this is the case the intuition judges the significance of external events on an intuitive scale. I think this is probably the better option than applying a semantic truth-oriented analysis to an intuitive process.
That chart is similar in its geometrical approach. But I think you can gain significantly different insights from application of both.
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Djoum]
#8600178 - 07/06/08 09:21 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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I dont understand your basis for the first trinity concept, probably because I am not familiar with your language.
I have conceptualized this geometrically though:
The trinity as I conceive it, is naturally implied by our conception of duality. If we are conscious of duality, we create the third point. The third point is self consciousness, in the humane sense. The third vantage point, is implied, such that to actually be conscious of duality one must perceive this from a second dimension. (To see and recognize left and right as left and right, one must be in front of this)
To merely remain subject to this duality in a basic sense, that is; as one of the two points, is animalistic consciousness. There is self and other, but there is not self-consciousness as we perceive it. One can only be conscious of this matrix to the extent that being part of it allows him to. (seeing whats in front of you)
We, on the other hand have the ability objectify duality: We perceive the two points from a second dimension. This is self consciousness in a normal humane sense. But consider that we do not actually objectify ourselves in this way, and so this is at most a conceptualization of duality. We recognize our individuality only by inferring* that we are subject to the same dualistic relationships we perceive. Our recognition of duality arises merely from an additional dualistic dimension. This is not truly objective.
I previously conceived this third point as consciousness, but I think are you much more specific to the frailty of this consciousness, in your deduction that this is the human ego. This makes perfect sense to me, but from here I completely lose you. Could you expand from this basic context?
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Djoum]
#8602330 - 07/06/08 09:09 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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excellent post! I couldn't have said it better myself.
Ever read anything by Robert Anton Wilson?
Edited by Faaip_De_Oiad (07/06/08 09:22 PM)
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
#8602375 - 07/06/08 09:27 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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What do I think? I think you’re bringing in New Age gobbly gook and trying to mash it into Christianity. I think that LSD + pseudo Christian concepts have resulted in a new form of twisted heterodoxy.
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Djoum
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: fivepointer]
#8602933 - 07/07/08 01:28 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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Daytripper23:
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I don't understand your basis for the first trinity concept, probably because I am not familiar with your language.
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I previously conceived this third point as consciousness, but I think are you much more specific to the frailty of this consciousness, in your deduction that this is the human ego. This makes perfect sense to me, but from here I completely lose you. Could you expand from this basic context?
Modern society was founded on dualistic thought. If we want to progress past this, I think we need to look at the logical system it uses.
Every dualism involves two competing points. Black, white; good evil etc. If you want to display the dualistic relation of black and white, for instance, the most simple way is to draw a line between them. They exist in tension with each other, and form a single continuum. Move toward black, and you get dark grey.
If we wish to move beyond this basic form of logic, we need to either add extra parameters, or remove some. Removing one point from a two point continuum just leaves us with “all are one”. I think this is less useful than adding an additional point, creating the trinity. This creates a more complex system, the benefit of which is that it allows for reconciliation between apparent polars. I tried to explain this using the new-age / Christianity dichotomy (much to Fivepointer’s chagrin!).
It may be that to form this trinity, and with a respectful nod to quantum physics, we need to postulate that the third point is the ego-self. Observation and deliberate intent has a significant effect on the quantum world, and thus, reality. This should be factored in. It is possible that the point of reconciliation for any duality may be consciousness itself.
Daytripper23, you are of course right in asserting that our everyday consciousness is not self-referential, but the notion of self referential consciousness (the phenomenological self) has been around for a while. It seems possible that it is achievable. It recognises that our experience of the universe is a fluid one, based on how we experience ourselves. Examining the way we experience the universe based on self-knowledge is an important aspect of ego loss, transcending the pragmatic self and unlocking the fluid self. This is the key to making our consciousness a malleable parameter, rather than an anchor. It is also the way in which we have the ability to transcend animalistic consciousness, something which perhaps most of us have never yet achieved.
The first step in becoming fully conscious is to recognise that one is not yet fully conscious, but that it is possible to become so. If it is not possible, we will never know. But if it is possible, it is well worth every human beings’ effort to make an attempt to be conscious.
One’s relation to dualistic mechanisms is only static when one assumes their consciousness to be static – to assume that we are already conscious is the first mistake we make. This is the role of the ego, to keep our personality alive. It does this by blinkering our consciousness in relation to the cosmos.
By seeing ourselves as an adjustable parameter in relation to the rest of the universe, we see ourselves in the same way as we see dualities – as a mediatable parameter. The frailty of our consciousness is, from this perspective, its power. By reference to two other polars, we can intuitively reason out our position in relation to some kind of an IT (I think it may be the cosmic vibration, in a vibratory universe). We give ourselves a matrix by which we can work to align ourselves. I do not know exactly what it is that we align ourselves to. Until we get there, we do not know what it is we will find, and the mystical experience cannot be described accurately with semantics. But global mysticism has taught us that when human consciousness takes a step forward, we know it. The whole universe opens up to us. This is the purpose of the exercise.
So in summary, you recognise yourself, and two contradictory thoughts, as being in relation to each other, each informing the other. This is possible when you recognise that your own conscious experience is as malleable as any other semantic construct. Hallucinations and dreams are evidence of this. It is at the point where these three things reconcile that you will align yourself with the Real.
The three things that resonate with you to align yourself may be different to mine. They could be the physical, etheric and astral bodies. They could be through recognising the sexual trinity of feminine, masculine, and child (the child is the malleable ego). They could be ego-vibration frequency, higher than ego frequency, and lower than ego frequency. It may be that ANY trinity will do the job, and simply the logical sequence is the key. I don’t know. But the way to find out is to try the exercise in a self-reflexive, possibly ego-loss state, without limiting yourself by expecting any exact particular result.
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Djoum
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Djoum]
#8602937 - 07/07/08 01:29 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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Fivepointer, I presented an exercise which I feel has some use in resolving the way we perceive fallacious dualities in our culture. Religion is fraut with contradictions. Thus, I found it to be fertile ground to explicate the exercise. My statements about Christianity and new ageism were an attempt to provide an example of how a triangular geometrical matrix can be applied to semantic questions.
The Christian notion of the trinity is mirrored in culutural mythologies throughout the world. However, since western cultures are influenced most strongly from Christian traditions, I decided to use this one. New ageism provided a useful grounding point for the Goddess-God polar. Again, this was an attempt to show how apparent contradictory ideas can be resolved.
As I said to Daytripper23, it is possible that any triad can work.
I am trying to present a framework for thinking about and comparing ideas, not a heterodoxy. I am much more interested in your thoughts about the logical system than the example that I used to illustrate it.
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Djoum
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Djoum]
#8603024 - 07/07/08 02:48 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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Faaip De Oiad, I have read Prometheus Rising. Liked the ideas but I don't know if I read it at the right time. It was one of the first books I came across when I decided I needed to search for a better understanding of life than the one society gave me. All I really got from it was the optimistic notion that there WAS something more!
Any suggestions as to what I should look at?
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Middleman
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 Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Djoum]
#8603078 - 07/07/08 03:38 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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The book Beyond Duality - The Art Of Transcendence has almost the exact same exercise.
Published by RAW's New Falcon, it's a great book, my last girlfriend stole it from me. 
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Middleman]
#8603119 - 07/07/08 04:20 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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awww i thought it was going to be dualism dualism, the mind/body kind 
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Djoum]
#8603329 - 07/07/08 07:38 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Djoum]
#8603806 - 07/07/08 11:21 AM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Djoum, that clears things up a ton, Im pretty sure I know where your coming from now.
Actually, if I do understand you right, this is exactly what has been most heavily on my mind recently.
and Undergrounder, as Ive come to understand it, Trinity is as natural to perceived reality as any concept of duality, and I find that it is a true naturalistic philosophy.
If Descartes had actually said, I am, therefore I think, I think we would have been much better off. But objectivity and subjectivity are in veritable balance, and any way of getting around this is preferential.
Though almost nobody around here really and seriously considers the question, "if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it," is important to consider:
Lets not pretend that the sentence implies a reality; language cannot project reality, only reflect it. The only non-speculative answer is that the premise is flawed. We cannot assume that anything happens outside of awareness. This is not an immediate declaration of a "sacred" self, and is only so often treated as an assertion, because what Descartes in actuality ingrained into western civilization. He imagined causality where there was only correlation.
Instead we realize that our concept of duality is just that, a concept. Self-conciousness, is actually consciousness of duality. In your words Djoum, it is not self referential. We do not actually know ourselves, or our potential.
The natural way to conceive of this situation, is in dimensions of duality, as I previously described. But I only describe it in this way because this is conceptually what it is. But in the actual practice of such a philosophy, the art, a preferential path is made.
Your posts speak of experience of many of these paths, and I look foward to maybe understanding some of them, but I do not want to jump ahead of myself.
Actually, if you think it is appropriate, I would be interested to know how psychedelics play into your philosophy.
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Djoum
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: daytripper23]
#8605064 - 07/07/08 05:43 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Thanks Middleman, I'll have a look for that one.
Daytripper23, I think it is appropriate and useful to include psychedelics in this discussion. I created a new thread called The Role of Psychedelics in Aligning the Self to respond to this.
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Middleman
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Djoum]
#8605328 - 07/07/08 06:40 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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 Kybalion.pdf (1,513,483 bytes)
19 downloads [Copyrighted?]
Also, check out Chapter 10 'Polarity' in this book.
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Djoum
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Middleman]
#8606478 - 07/07/08 11:03 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Hi Middleman, thanks for the input! I am reading the pdf now. I can only see one download though... are there meant to be two others?
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Middleman
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Re: Triangles are our Friends: Resolving fallacious dualism with hexagraphic logic. [Re: Djoum]
#8606793 - 07/08/08 01:18 AM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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No, just that one.
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