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Spade
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Coco coir bulk substrate -- Too dry??
#8589092 - 07/02/08 08:15 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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I recently spawned some BRF cakes into straight coco coir, that was pasteurized by putting it into a tub and pouring a gallon of near boiling water into it. I was recently checking my trays, and to me they seemed a little on the dry side. However the mycelium does appear to be colonizing the substrate. When I took the lids off my trays there was some condensation on the under side of the lid, is that a sign that the moisture content is good in the substrate? What are the best ways to tell if the substrate is damp enough? Perhaps I am just being too paranoid and should leave them alone for awhile but this is my first grow and I would like it to be a successful one. Any help to answer my question would be greatly appreciated.
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PowerOfTheCoir
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Re: Coco coir bulk substrate -- Too dry?? [Re: Spade]
#8589155 - 07/02/08 08:40 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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Just about all first time growers, myself included, have overly wet substrates. It should look a little dry. Since you used a wet pasteurization method, it's very unlikely that your coir is too dry. You'd have to try really hard to get it too dry after soaking it.
Even if it's slightly drier than field capacity, it'll be fine. Usually that'll just help it stay loose and colonize faster. It's also less prone to contamination than if it were wet. If you're worried about it being too dry even after it reaches 100% colonization, you can dunk it before you apply a casing layer. Do some research on "dunking casings" and "dunking bulk" while you're waiting for it to colonize. And try to resist the urge to uncover the tray until it's done. All it needs are a few micro-pore taped holes to breathe a little. Giving it sudden influxes of fresh oxygen confuses the heck out of it.
You'll get the best pinsets if it has high CO2 during colonization and then, when it runs out of substrate to colonize, you introduce all of the pinning factors: FAE, 100% humidity at the surface by applying a casing layer, and good light ("daylight spectrum" CFLs, you know, the twisty eco-friendly things). Look up Hyphae's Pinning Strategy, but I strongly suggest omitting the part where he re-covers the tray after applying the casing layer. Just go straight to fruiting conditions immediately like RR says. I saw it make a huge difference on this one guys crops.
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Re: Coco coir bulk substrate -- Too dry?? [Re: Spade]
#8589158 - 07/02/08 08:41 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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Just give it a light misting everytime you fan it out. It won't hurt it.
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Re: Coco coir bulk substrate -- Too dry?? [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
#8589229 - 07/02/08 08:59 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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PowerOfTheCoir said: Just about all first time growers, myself included, have overly wet substrates. It should look a little dry. Since you used a wet pasteurization method, it's very unlikely that your coir is too dry. You'd have to try really hard to get it too dry after soaking it.
Even if it's slightly drier than field capacity, it'll be fine. Usually that'll just help it stay loose and colonize faster. It's also less prone to contamination than if it were wet. If you're worried about it being too dry even after it reaches 100% colonization, you can dunk it before you apply a casing layer. Do some research on "dunking casings" and "dunking bulk" while you're waiting for it to colonize. And try to resist the urge to uncover the tray until it's done. All it needs are a few micro-pore taped holes to breathe a little. Giving it sudden influxes of fresh oxygen confuses the heck out of it.
You'll get the best pinsets if it has high CO2 during colonization and then, when it runs out of substrate to colonize, you introduce all of the pinning factors: FAE, 100% humidity at the surface by applying a casing layer, and good light ("daylight spectrum" CFLs, you know, the twisty eco-friendly things). Look up Hyphae's Pinning Strategy, but I strongly suggest omitting the part where he re-covers the tray after applying the casing layer. Just go straight to fruiting conditions immediately like RR says. I saw it make a huge difference on this one guys crops.
Coir rocks, you're gonna have fun!
How does someone that just started their account today know about Hyphae's pinning strategy? Hmmmmm...... Seems kind of odd since most of the people that have been here longer don't know about it. Either way, every noob should read it, very informative and effective.
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Re: Coco coir bulk substrate -- Too dry?? [Re: HoleSnype]
#8589264 - 07/02/08 09:07 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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Does anyone know what happened to Hyphae? He was all over the place back in the day. Since I started growing again I haven't seen him.
What up wid dat?
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Re: Coco coir bulk substrate -- Too dry?? [Re: HoleSnype]
#8589305 - 07/02/08 09:16 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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HoleSnype said: How does someone that just started their account today know about Hyphae's pinning strategy? Hmmmmm...... Seems kind of odd since most of the people that have been here longer don't know about it. Either way, every noob should read it, very informative and effective.
I'm a long time lurker! I've been reading everything I could find on this site for the past few months, but I never got around to posting. Every time I had a question about cultivation, I managed to find an answer (and usually a lot more that I never thought to ask) by searching. That just goes to prove that most people really do need to search before they post. All of these shrooms were grown by some guy I know without ever having to resort to asking a question:

Damn near every question a person can have about cakes all the way through bulk and isolation has been asked and answered repeatedly. I knew about Hyphae's Pinning Strategy because it's almost impossible for a person to research casing techniques on this board without stumbling across a mention of it after reading more than 2 or 3 casing threads.
Much like coir, the search function rocks.
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Re: Coco coir bulk substrate -- Too dry?? [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
#8589329 - 07/02/08 09:21 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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I miss Hyphae... That dude knew his shit.
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Re: Coco coir bulk substrate -- Too dry?? [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
#8589330 - 07/02/08 09:21 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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PowerOfTheCoir said: Just about all first time growers, myself included, have overly wet substrates. It should look a little dry. Since you used a wet pasteurization method, it's very unlikely that your coir is too dry. You'd have to try really hard to get it too dry after soaking it.
Even if it's slightly drier than field capacity, it'll be fine. Usually that'll just help it stay loose and colonize faster. It's also less prone to contamination than if it were wet. If you're worried about it being too dry even after it reaches 100% colonization, you can dunk it before you apply a casing layer. Do some research on "dunking casings" and "dunking bulk" while you're waiting for it to colonize. And try to resist the urge to uncover the tray until it's done. All it needs are a few micro-pore taped holes to breathe a little. Giving it sudden influxes of fresh oxygen confuses the heck out of it.
You'll get the best pinsets if it has high CO2 during colonization and then, when it runs out of substrate to colonize, you introduce all of the pinning factors: FAE, 100% humidity at the surface by applying a casing layer, and good light ("daylight spectrum" CFLs, you know, the twisty eco-friendly things). Look up Hyphae's Pinning Strategy, but I strongly suggest omitting the part where he re-covers the tray after applying the casing layer. Just go straight to fruiting conditions immediately like RR says. I saw it make a huge difference on this one guys crops.
Coir rocks, you're gonna have fun!
simply brilliant, couldnt have said it better myself
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Re: Coco coir bulk substrate -- Too dry?? [Re: SLAG]
#8598670 - 07/05/08 08:48 PM (3 months, 11 hours ago) |
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How does someone that just started their account today know about Hyphae's pinning strategy? Hmmmmm...... Seems kind of odd since most of the people that have been here longer don't know about it. Either way, every noob should read it, very informative and effective.
its called he used the search feature, researched, did his homework...
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Re: Coco coir bulk substrate -- Too dry?? [Re: MarioTrip]
#8598682 - 07/05/08 08:50 PM (3 months, 11 hours ago) |
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just leave it alone.. it should only take about 10 days or less, depending on how much spawn you add...
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