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DJYoshaBYD
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How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0
#8598360 - 07/05/08 07:23 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

DJYoshaBYD's Easy As Hell WBS/Coir Tek – Start to finish – Version 1.0 (No pics yet)

***Please read ALL of this before starting.. Make sure you understand WHY things are being done..

OK... Im putting this here, because I see so many cats out there that make their growing experience too hard... Timers and thermostats and coffee and all that... YOU DONT NEED ALL THAT STUFF TO GROW BULK!! I will show you..

things you need:
Pressure cooker
Quart sized mason jars with 2-piece lids, one jar per fruiting tray
Fruiting trays of your liking – big enough to fit in your martha.. as many as you like
Martha Stewart portable closet or equivalent
Spores or culture
Wild Bird Seed (wbs)
Pumice
Coffee filters
Cleaning products – lysol, common cleaning bleach, alcohol
vermiculite
tray to go under martha to catch water
some fluorescent lights of your choice
24 hour timer, programmable by hour.. cheap one
COOL MIST humidifier – impeller type
2 inch think hose – 4 ft
duct tape
coco coir
strainer
aluminum foil

STERILE TECHNIQUE IS A MUST!! YOU MUST ALWAYS CLEAN YOURSELF, AS WELL AS YOUR WORK AREA WITH EXTREME CARE!!

Take a shower
Wash hands in anti bacterial soap up to elbows
Turn off all fans and A/C's
Where a clean hat
Wipe down work area with cleaning bleach
Pressure cook or boil sterilize any metal tool you will be using
Spray work area and air with lysol
Wear powder free latex gloves and regular dust mask
With gloves on, pour a small amount of rubbing alcohol on your gloved hands and rub it in
PREPARE WORK AREA WITH EVERYTHING YOU NEED AND HAVE IT CLEAN BEFORE YOU BEGIN!! LESS MOVEMENT MEANS LESS AIR MOVEMENT MEANS LESS SHIT THAT COULD GET IN YOUR JARS..

Step one – jar preparation, inoculation, and colonization

If these steps are followed specifically, you will succeed...

1 – Measure out wbs with the quart jars.. fill them up half way

2 – Put the wbs in a good sized pot, and fill with water till the water is 2 inches above the seed

3 – Let the seed and water sit for12-24 hours with a lid on.. I usually do it for about 16 hours.. you may notice a slightly funky smell coming from it.. thats completely natural..

4 – While you are waiting, drill a 1/3” hole in the top of the lids of the jars, right in the center..

5 – Pour the wbs through the strainer and rinse VERY well with cool water.. rinse until the water runs clear..

6 – Fill the pot up with water, and bring it to a roaring boil.. take OFF the heat and put on different burner with no heat, and pour in wbs.. then cover the pot, and let it sit for 15-30 minutes..

7 – Pull out and rinse and strain.. IMPORTANT – after rinsing, strain for at least 30 minutes.. The outside of the wbs should feel dry, but split with your fingernail with little effort, and be moist inside.. the point of this is to make the bird seed not stick to itself, not bring extra standing water in the jar (which causes contam problems, among other things), and have enough moisture in the middle of the kernels to give the mycelium something to grow on that they like..

8 – Pack the jars half way, and put the first piece of the lid on first, then the 2 coffee filters, then the ring part of the lid.. The filters should be sandwiched between the 2 pieces of lid.. Place aluminum foil over the lids tightly, so no more moisture can get in..

9 – Pressure cook at 15 psi for 1 hour.. Allow the pressure cooker to cool naturally..

10 – When pressure is gone, the open up the pressure cooker, and give the jars a little shake to mix it all around..

11 – Place in pressure cooker, and allow to cool for a few hours.. I mean really cool.. if they feel warm, they are too hot.. When cool, remove foil..

12 – Now, you can either make a lid with a separate hole filled with silicone sealant to make a self healing place to put the needle, but I just open the lid ever-so-slightly to squirt in spore solution or place a live culture in there.. Just be clean about it... I dont use spore syringes for inoculating grain.. I make an isolate on agar, and once I am happy, I transfer that to grain.. For the sake of simplicity, we will only talk about syringes

NOTE – Flame sterilize needle of syringe until red hot, wait 10 seconds or so, then wide with alcohol.. Let sit for a minute so alcohol can evaporate... Alcohol is very volatile, so it will evaporate quick..

13 – Leave in the dark for 5 days before looking.. Trust me.. The more light they are exposed to, the slower they will grow..

Note – good colonization temps are around 75-85.. with 80-85 speeding up growth in some cases.. I dont really pay attention to this.. I just leave them in a cupboard until fully colonized..

14 – After the jar is half full, give a shake to break it up and mix it up.. This will greatly improve colonization times...

after 10-20 days, you should have fully colonized jars.. Be sure not to shake too often, as it tends to hinder progress..

Step 2 – Coco Coir preparation

For those of you that do not know where to get coir or what it is---> You can get it at any pet store that sells reptile bedding.. It comes in a solid brick, well, the size of a brick.. it ranges 5-10 bucks per brick.. OR you can get it at a hydroponic shop for around 3 bucks per brick.. WARNING – These bricks will expand to about 10 times their original size..

1 – In a LARGE pot, bring 1 gallon of water to a boil..

Note – If this is a big pot (5-10 gallons), then you can do the rest in THAT pot.. If not, get a 10 gallon bucket that is VERY CLEAN..

2 – a. - With a big pot, turn off the heat, CAREFULLY put the brick in the super hot water and cover.. Let sit until the pot is cool to the touch.. DO NOT OPEN UNTIL COOL..
b. - With a bucket, put the brick in the bucket, and CAREFULLY pour the SCALDING HOT water over the brick.. Cover and let it sit till COOL TO THE TOUCH.. DO NOT OPEN UNTIL COOL..

Note – DO NOT open the bucket or pot until you are in step 3!! You will introduce unwanted contams..

Thats it!! Thats all you have to do to prepare coir.. its very simple, and works great.. Now, on we go........

Step 3 – Fruiting tray preparation and spawn run

For the fruiting trays, they need to be about 5 inches deep, and wide enough and long enough to fit into your fruiting chamber (I will give an example of mine, but there are many different ones).. Most of time, you would want to till your chamber with as much as possible, as to receive to most reward for your labor... So, yeah.. thats it for prepping the fruiting trays.. Able to fit in your chamber, ~5 inches deep....

1 – Line your fruiting trays with aluminum foil (it helps stop side pinning).. Rub down with alcohol, and allow to dry

2 – Practicing sterile technique, take each handful of coir out of the pot or bucket, and SQUEEEEEEEEZE the shit out of it.. if you squeeze it, barely any water should come out.. Suqeeze until just a drop or 2 comes out.. Then put in fruiting tray to a depth of 3-4 inches.. Dont pack it down.. Make it level

3 – Mix HALF of 1 FULLY COLONIZED quart jar in for each fruiting tray.. If you have 6 trays, you should have 6 colonized jars...

4 - Take the other half of jar, and pour it on top of the coir in an even manner... Make it level.. Do not pack down..

5 – Cover with aluminum foil that has been alcohol sterilized on one side, and put it, sterilized side down, over the tray.. Cover completely, poke some holes with a fork or knife through it.. Depending on size, 3-7 pokes with a fork, randomly, will work

6 – Leave in the dark for 5 days before looking.. Keep in same conditions as jars... NO PEEKING

7 – Check on it in THE MOST STERILE WAY POSSIBLE.. Open the foil carefully and look at it, being careful not to breath on it.. You want the top to pretty much be covered white with mycelium...

8 – I like to leave them in there for another 5-7 days after the top is solid, just to make sure its colonized all the way through...

Now we are ready for casing...

Step 4 – Casing preparation and incubation

1 – Grab your vermiculite and pit it in a bowl.. However much you estimate it will take to make 1/2” layer over the coir in the trays..

2 – Flood the vermiculite in water and mix it up a bit..

3 – Strain the vermiculite

4 – Put in quart jar and PC @ 15 psi or boil for 30 minutes

5 – When completely cool, spread in a half inch layer (1/2”) layer over the coir in the trays, exercising sterile procedure every step of the way...

6 - Re-cover with aluminum foil with holes from before, and put back in to cupboard or dark place to sit for 3 days..

7 - After 3 days, open and check.. You should see little patches of white myc poking through the casing layer.. Cover the very lightly with more sterile casing, and let sit.. you basically want to see these lil patches every where evenly across the casing, BUT NOT COMPLETELY THROUGH IT.. For me, this process usually takes 4-5 days AT THE MOST.. 3 is the normal...

8 – After its ready, patch very lightly again, and put in fruiting chamber..

Note – Patching is just covering up the exposed mycelium... We want it evenly through the casing, but not taking it over..

Step 5 – Fruiting chamber plans and care through fruiting

Ok.. First off, there are MMMAAAANNNNYYY different types of fruiting chambers.. All from inexpensive, hand-operated plastic boxes, to high tech timers and other whatnot.. Im into simplicity.. This is what I have built, and its great..

I use a martha.. Its 5ft high, 14 inches deep, 17 inches wide.. I can fit 6 fruiting trays in here easily, and I have pushed over a pound out of this chamber on numerous occasions over 3 flushes... I usually see around 1 ½ – 2 oz's per tray each flush, and less on later flushes..

In really short terms, its a metal shelf, with plastic all around it.. I found a hang-up portable closet for 20 bucks at Target... Its just a big, thick plastic bag with a zipper on it.. HAS TO HAVE ZIPPER.. NO VELCRO..

The shelves are just these modular metal grates that snap to each other... they are usually in the home section of target, and are made for storing shoes or whatever.. Just be creative.. remember – ITS JUST A SET OF SHELVES WITH PLASTIC AROUND IT..

For the lighting, I use a few cool white fluorescent.. 2 on one side, 2 on the other.. you wanna make sure you get them a pretty good amount of light.. You want the light to be bright on the casing..

Set the timer for 12 hours on, 12 hours off.. Hook that up to the lights..

Get your cool mist humidifier, and run the hose from the outlet on it, to the top of the martha, making sure that the hose is aimed upwards, otherwise it will drip water in your chamber..

Cut some random 2-3 inch slits on the left and right side, in random intervals, from top to bottom... These are for air exchange, but you can also control the relative humidity by adding more holes to lower it, and taping them up to raise it.. A relative humidity gauge is a MUST.. Get one from your local cigar shop..

Set the cool mist in a tray or bucket on top of a 4-5 inch thick layer of pumice.. The cool mist WILL leak water, and the pumice will absorb it..

Leave the cool mist running 24/7.. I dont care what anyone says.. With the trays in the chamber, and the cool mist on 24/7, it will keep the RH right where it needs to be, along with giving them all the fresh air they need.. It DOES work.. Trust me..

Add water DAILY to the cool mist.. DAILY!! Also, every other day, add a few glugs of hydrogen peroxide.. Its helps stop shit from growing in the water...

Everyday after the first day, LIGHTLY AND INDIRECTLY mist the casings.. When I say indirect, I mean dont spray THEM.. Spray ABOVE them and let it mist down.. just a few lil mists over them until you see mushies.. Then stop.. they will do the rest...

Pick them right as the veil on the cap breaks.. Dont yank them out.. Pull out in a twisting motion..

If you want to try for extra flushes, then dunk the trays in cool water overnight, covered.. Then, the next morning, drain all the excess out, and put back in chamber.. in about a week, MORE MUSHIES!!

The way I dry, is I take a shoe box or some box, and hook up a computer fan or another high powered fan to bring in air on one side, and blow it out the other.. It usually takes about 2 days to be completely dry.. Just make sure you move them around once or twice per day, so they evenly dry...

Leave your trays in this chamber with everything running as how I described, and in a week or so, you will have many many mushies...

The reason this tek is so short is because this is VERY simple to do, if you can follow instructions.. Most of this stuff I have used for 10 years now, and it never fails.. Dont get discouraged if you screw up.. Just try again..

There will be a version 2.0 out soon, when I finish with the pics...

Happy shroomin
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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8598465 - 07/05/08 07:52 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Sounds like a pretty simple and effective tek. Maybe I will give it a shot once I get comfortable with cultivating in general.

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: psylopsycho]
#8598476 - 07/05/08 07:55 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

yeah.. the methods described are all stuff I have done for years, but the coir is new.. I used to use poo/hay.. it worked great, but it was a pain in the ass.. I tried coir last year, and havent went back.. gives me GREAT results, and all I do is boil water, and drop in the brick..

alot of what I do goes against alot of believed practices.. I use coffee filters, and they work great.. I dont pasteurize or sterilize my coir.. I use 100% vermiculite for my casing, and its fabulous (and what a casing should be)... I leave my cool mist on 24/7, but before I had it running to 2 big plastic tubs.. now its hooked up to my martha.. built that about 1 year ago...

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Edited by DJYoshaBYD (07/05/08 07:58 PM)

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8598527 - 07/05/08 08:08 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

This my martha.. the cool mist is in there for storage purposes.. I had to clean out the closet.. it usually sits next to it as I described in the tek

Nice even straight verm casing

My cool mist.. I actually silicone sealed the tube in there, and wrapped it with tape for support..

and this is the one I use.. I got it at walgreens for 30 bucks

these are the lights I use.. there are four of them on the sides, and I run a cfl above everything...

I will have all new pics with a camera thats actually worth a shit soon.. then I will add those to the tek..

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8598616 - 07/05/08 08:30 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

fruit pics?

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: legallyhomeless]
#8598633 - 07/05/08 08:38 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

these are the only ones I have handy, as my crappy camera crapped out on me.. these are using the same equipment, but I didnt have any fruiting trays, so I had to make some.. haha.. and this is the 3rd flush, which is what I love... these were basically a test run with the coir.. I think it was the second or 3rd time, and I wanted to do small batches at first..

as soon as I get the new pics from the next project, I will post them.. just gotta get a damn camera..

these are a B+ isolate that I have been using for about 2 years now

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8598732 - 07/05/08 09:06 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

here I come.. sliding in to a corner, BUMPING to 3rd on the way out... see how I bump.. lol

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8599308 - 07/06/08 12:26 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

ive read teks close to this. others put micropore tape on the holes in the foil on the trays. but i know sterility isnt as important once the network is established. isnt heating the water to 160 then pouring it on the brick the same as pasturizing?killing everything not benificial. im not knocking the methods, just wandering. and all the steril precautions just for preping the jars? it seems that info should be after the jars are steralized . it kinda sounds like you mask and glove up for soaking and loading your grain . . sorry for being critical i just know how easy it is for someone new to get confused

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: seven]
#8599427 - 07/06/08 01:11 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

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seven said: and all the steril precautions just for preping the jars? it seems that info should be after the jars are steralized . it kinda sounds like you mask and glove up for soaking and loading your grain . . sorry for being critical i just know how easy it is for someone new to get confused

I'm reading it as though he's just explaining his sterile technique at the beginning of the tek. After that, he begins with "step 1", not mentioning sterility again until after PCing, where he begins with flaming the needle. I think at this point the Noob should realize that scratching his ass is going to have to wait... :2cents:

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8599523 - 07/06/08 01:39 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

just seems as if the technique is mentioned beforehand as you said. someone could clean the area for the first steps and glove and mask up for step one. I could understand how someone new could do this not knowing when each precaution is needed.

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: seven]
#8600185 - 07/06/08 09:25 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)

true... well, NUMEROUS times throughout, I say "while being sterile", or "practicing sterile technique".. I will clear that up.. sorry.. I was stoned most of the time when I wrote it..

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isnt heating the water to 160 then pouring it on the brick the same as pasturizing?killing everything not benificial.

actually, no.. lol.. it kinda partially pasteurizes, but in order to achieve TRUE pasteurization, the temp needs to be kept at a CONSTANT 160f for at least 2 hours... Dumping boiling water wont stay at 160 for 2 hours.. It will gradually drop, therefor not giving the "TRUE" pasteurized effect.. But I could imagine I murder a thing or 2 with the boiling water.. lol...

I NEVER have used micro pore tape or ANYTHING like that.. I literally put foil that is alcohol sterilized on one side over the trays, then poke holes with a fork, AND KEEP IN A CLEAN, DARK PLACE.. lol.. That is key.. I dont need the tape, because I dont keep my stuff next to the garbage... lol... As long as you are not breathing into the holes in the foil or blowing in the holes, you will be fine.. My work area and inc cupboard are just impeccably clean, and thats why I never have a problem with contams..

Its like DJing.. Most DJs will concentrate on beat matching instead of mixing; spending most of the track just getting on beat.. If you are any good, beat matching (being sterile) should already be embedded in the back of your mind.. it should be something you should be able to do without thinking.. a convoluted analogy, Ill admit, but relevant nontheless...

So.. yeah.. sterility in my work area is second nature to me, so I dont ever worry about going over board and using micro pore tape, tyvek, etc... Its cool for some people, but I dont need it..

My whole thing is, with this tek, is to use a minimal amount of items to get the best results... and it hasnt failed me yet.. not once...

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8600188 - 07/06/08 09:27 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)

I have a bad habit of explaining shit, like I automatically assume everyone knows what Im talking about.. its stupid.. I will make some revisions to it, to make more clear when to use which sterile procedure.. sorry aboot that...

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8600190 - 07/06/08 09:28 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)

Who knows? Maybe after I get the pics up, they will sticky my tek.. cough cough hint... haha

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8600211 - 07/06/08 09:45 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)

thats cool man. like i said sorry for being critical and such. just thought pointing unclear things out would help with your tek in the works.

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: seven]
#8600226 - 07/06/08 09:56 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)

NO.. FUCK YOU!!!

HAHAHA.. just kidding.. I know I had to be unclear on certain points.. lol.. I was high.. Thats why I posted it here AND on my journal.. I figured it would get some proofreading.. I will fix that later on when I have the drive to.. lol

thanks

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8600284 - 07/06/08 10:20 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)

nice work, but at the beginning of the tek you say "so many cats out there that make their growing experience too hard," but then you go on to describe a martha?????

no offence to anyone, but martha's just seem SILLY to me when compared to monotubs. they are expensive, bulky, messy, and there are so many pieces and parts that can break or stop running that they are less reliable! what happens when there is a power outage?

if people are looking for simplicity, monotubs are the way to go!

but, this is just a gripe. nice work!

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: nonlinear]
#8600311 - 07/06/08 10:31 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)

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nonlinear said:
nice work, but at the beginning of the tek you say "so many cats out there that make their growing experience too hard," but then you go on to describe a martha?????

no offence to anyone, but martha's just seem SILLY to me when compared to monotubs. they are expensive, bulky, messy, and there are so many pieces and parts that can break or stop running that they are less reliable! what happens when there is a power outage?

A martha is the easiest and biggest setup.. its give me WAY more surface area to grow on than a monotub ever would.. I could fit 2 shelves worth of trays in a normal big monotob..

there is only one timer, and one cool mist? What is "less reliable"? what parts are you talking about? Its a shelf with fucking pastic around it.. lol.. its VERY simple..

I say that people make it too hard by going through all the trouble for alot of different things, that they really dont need to do..

My martha has nothing but a cool mist running 24/7 and it produces flush after flush, and has been doing so CONSISTENTLY for a year straight.. That seems pretty reliable to me... The construction of one of these isnt hard at all, unless you make it out to be more than what it is.. a shelf with plastic around it.. Mine EASILY fits in my closet, and if I cleaned it more, I could fit 3 more in there...

Have you ever used a martha? Because there is nothing messy about mine.. it seems as though, you have never tried one, and are just going off of posts and pictures.. everything you started is the complete opposite of what I have.. Yes, in the event of a power outage, it will suck for an hour or so until it comes back on, but unless my power is out for more than a day, electricity going out wont be an issue. so the "what if the power goes out" statement is a moot point, because a few hours without power wont kill anything...

Its easy because once it is setup, there is nothing to replace, nothing to reset.. just turn it on, and leave it.. thats it... no ultra sonic, no timers except the one that controls the light...

Would you tell the same "what if your electricity goes out" to someone running 4 1000w HPS lights, growing dank? Probably, but the few hours (at the most) that electricity goes out for, isnt enough to kill or halt anything... yes, it can happen.. but if you pay your electric bill, then you shouldnt have to worry about your power going out for more than a few hours.. again, the electricity is a moot point.. the chances of it happening to the extent where it would fuck your whole grow, are slim to non..

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Edited by DJYoshaBYD (07/06/08 10:33 AM)

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8600329 - 07/06/08 10:39 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)

wow, chill out man!

i'm just saying that in my opinion, martha's are too expensive and have too many parts that can break or fuck up that it's not worth it. and martha's do NOT provide higher yields per volume than tubs. one advantage of tubs is that you are not constrained by the interior space (i can just go out and buy another $5 tub, whereas you've gotta build another entire martha), and i can stack and move these tubs into any arrangement i want.

in the end, tubs are way cheaper, more reliable, easier, and more versatile. for someone looking for the easiest bulk tek, i would recommend monotobs.

and no, i wouldn't say the power to someone growing dope, because as far as i know there isn't an easier/cheaper method for driving photosynthesis indoors without power.

but, different strokes, right? also, i'm not trying to start a fight with man! like i said, nice work!

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Edited by nonlinear (07/06/08 10:45 AM)

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: nonlinear]
#8600356 - 07/06/08 10:50 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)

haha.. I just go off on tangents.. lol.. im not angry in any way...

really, In my little marhta, I have produced wwaaayy more in the same space than any monotub has ever done.. yes they are portable, etc.. but I live alone, and I dont have to move my stuff ever..

Like you said.. different strokes.. I love the amount of room I have, and space I got on the shelves.. as I said, my martha, with a square footage of space I have to grow on, FAR surpasses that of a monotoub.. at least in my area..

thats whats so ill about all the different FC's.. you pick something that works for you.. im not saying you HAVE to use martha.. shit.. you can just get a tub with a light and some perlite or pumice, and hand fan it.. lol.. it doesnt matter..

I advocate the martha, because it IS automated, and all I do is slip my trays in, and look again in a week.. I LITERALLY will step in, mist a bit, and not even care about them until 7 days later, when I have mature fruits...

note-- Just so everyone gets this clear, this is just how I do it, and it works fine.. The methods for preparing jars work great, and the same goes for everything else.. I actually ENCOURAGE you to try different FC's, especially if you cannot run a martha.. Its just my preference.. Everything else in the tek, I do the same every time.. Dont fix it if its not broken.. lol..

It would be interesting to see the same exact tek applied to a monotub, or anything else.. Simply because everything up to the FC will work perfect, then you just decide which FC you require for your living and budget situation...

If I could have, I would have built a bigger martha.. lol.. didnt have the scratch...

Im no troll.. I AM OGRE!!!

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Re: How I grow Mushies - a start to finish tek with WBS and COIR.. version 1.0 [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8600388 - 07/06/08 11:01 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)