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 bradley
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 the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail
#8598320 - 07/05/08 07:11 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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man, it hurts me to read the cases in "security and safety". even just waiting after being arrested to find out if there will be prosecution (which could take months) - i couldn't take it. i would snap. i wouldn't be able to work, relax, sleep...i would need a lot of help. it's not just going to jail, where I am sure I would get raped and probably get HIV, but lose my job and trust from a lot of people who just wouldn't understand. the rape is the worst part though, and just being treated like a prisoner. it must be horrible.
fuck. i would really consider killing myself or going to live in a cave if i ever had to serve serious jail time. 
or maybe dramatically protest somehow like by lighting myself on fire in public while blasting a good terrence mckenna speech on loudspeakers.
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ShROoMiNnBOOMiN
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: bradley]
#8598327 - 07/05/08 07:14 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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i went to jail for a 1 1/2 years. its that attitude people target in those places. just stay out.. jails not fun.
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bradley
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: ShROoMiNnBOOMiN]
#8598337 - 07/05/08 07:17 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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i am careful, but if i ever am sentenced to go (especially because of psychedelics) i might just pull some martyr shit. it needs to be protested anyway!
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coda
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: bradley]
#8598341 - 07/05/08 07:18 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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i was in this position myself not too long ago. Picked up in march, night and day in jail, and then three months till my hearing. It was a 5000$ mistake, but, i kept out of jail even though my perfect record is now ruined. Going to jail didn't scare me as much as the possibility of having my professional life ruined over a minor drug charge.
Best thing to do is get a good lawyer as quickly as you can, most of the times if you're not a career criminal they'll keep you out of jail. In my case it was a 1000$ fine and 1 year of supervised probation. Took it in a heartbeat, better then having a felony on my record and rotting in jail for three years.
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: bradley]
#8598346 - 07/05/08 07:19 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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ive been to jail twice
only for a day at a time tho
its not that bad
the inmates treated me nicer than the gaurds
but it wasnt like real jail i guess since no1 was sentenced it was just like a cell 4 every1 til they c the judge
so it must b a hella lot diff
just dont do anything to get sentenced
do lil things like personal dr00gz and ull get away with probation
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coda
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: Coaster]
#8598353 - 07/05/08 07:21 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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but it wasnt like real jail i guess since no1 was sentenced it was just like a cell 4 every1 til they c the judge
if you got stuck in a dorm style jail, you're in with others who aren't facing serious charges. Violent offenders and people who've committed serious crimes go to a different section. Inmates in my bunk area were nice as hell too, bunch of mexicans mostly, but they helped me get out since i had no fucking clue what to do.
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: coda]
#8598380 - 07/05/08 07:27 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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well i had two weapons felony charges and others in there had violent crimes and it wasnt a dorm style cell
and this one dood snored so fucking loud that was the worst part
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: Coaster]
#8598427 - 07/05/08 07:43 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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wtf, two felony weapons charges?? WTF were you carrying on you? FYI i was booked on a felony drug charge, jails are different all over, especially if you're in a big city. Down here they separate people into two categories. I would have hated to be in the cell my buddy was in, they were woken up every hour for role call. Not to mention the threats of rape and shit he got.
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To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . .
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Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: bradley]
#8598466 - 07/05/08 07:52 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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Very few people actually get raped in jail. It does happen but its a very small percentage. For the most part they just run you through the system.
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: bradley]
#8598591 - 07/05/08 08:23 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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I've never been, but I remember reading this article a while back. I'd like to hear some feedback from those with incarceration experience.
YOU MEET THE NICEST PEOPLE IN PRISON
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Why You Probably Won’t Get Stabbed or Raped if You Go Up the River
You’ve heard all the rumors. You’ve seen all the TV movies. You own The Shawshank Redemption and Oz on DVD. You’ve read all the "You Are Going to be Raped in Prison" books.
You’re scared shitless.
You know that when the gavel falls and they send you up the river, you’ll be a "new fish" dumped into a pool of bloodthirsty piranhas. The first time you walk down the tier to your cell, praying for God to give your trembling knees the energy to keep pushing forward, you’ll hear the hoots and whistles and see the grimy hands reaching out to grab your ass, leering toothless mastodons making kissy-face at you, the nauseatingly horrifying amorous advances of drooling tattooed sociopaths ready to split your rectum open like they’re deboning a chicken. Your anus will pucker in terrified self-defense.
Your cellmate will be a seven-foot-tall tobacco farmer/smalltime burglar named "Bubba," a gentle soul except when it comes to matters of the flesh. He will murder your manhood. The things he’ll force you to do are degrading, humiliating, and you’ll probably never come close to recovering psychologically from them, but you can at least comfort yourself knowing that it’ll never hurt as much as it did the first time. It’ll still hurt, don’t get me wrong—it’ll hurt BAD—just not as much as the first time. And probably not nearly as bad as during the first few weeks when the virgin wounds are still fresh. But you’ll get over it, and you’ll learn to fold Daddy Bubba’s sheets and do his laundry and sweep the floor and clean the toilet just the way he likes it, and if he isn’t in too bad a mood, he might wait a few more days before he sells your ass for a cigarette to the Samoan twins down the block.
Every day will bring another punch to your jaw from another psychotic lifer, and you’ll get used to picking up your teeth from the shower-room floor like so many bloody Chiclets. To make the predators leave you alone, you’ll probably have to sharpen a pork-chop bone and stab someone under the armpit with it, and while the air’s hissing out of his lung and he falls to the ground gasping for mercy, you’ll shout, "OK? Anybody ELSE want some? No? NO? Didn’t THINK so."
You’ll have to pull a stunt like that within the first few hours, or else they’ll think you’re a punk and bum-rush you, hanging a sheet in front of your cell bars and pulling a "train" on your swollen, infected ass, shooting AIDS-laden cum into every hole in your body, taking their dicks out of your mouth long enough to punch you again, calling you their bitch and smearing food coloring from Peanut M&Ms on your lips and eyelids and saying it’s "makeup."
Fuck.
That sounds scary.
You have a vivid imagination, don’t you, boy?
I can tell you’ve never been to prison. I recently spent almost two-and-a-half years in the clink. My journey took me from crowded county jails to a minimum-security prison all the way to a maximum-security penitentiary with big gray walls and rifle towers and serial killers and even a member of the Manson family.
And not once during all this time…not ONCE…did another inmate threaten me. The popular myth is that convicts will force you to either "fight or fuck." In reality, the most coercive thing another inmate did to me was to reach down from his bunk, wake me up, and politely ask me to roll over because I was snoring too loudly.
I spent a year straight in a 110-man prison dormitory, surrounded day and night by 109 loud, crude, smelly, near-retarded convicts, and maybe I witnessed three fistfights total, all of them related to card games. I remember thinking that you could cram 110 men from any walk of life into that room…you could probably put the entire US Senate in there…and you’d have more than three fistfights a DAY, much less yearly.
Sex was nearly as rare as violence. Despite the quaint fantasies of an uninformed public, there was almost no obvious homosexual activity in prison. There was a small contingent of flagrant queens, but they kept to themselves and no one hassled them. I’d reckon there’s a lot more cocksucking and anal plowing, consensual and otherwise, happening at your average Catholic seminary than in prison.
And rape…bloody, violent, systemic, eternal rape…so ubiquitous in fictional accounts of prison life, seemed nonexistent. In all my time there, immersed as I was in a buzzing hive of inmates where the tiniest scrap of gossip spread through the chow hall before anyone took their first sip of soup, I didn’t hear rumors of ONE rape occurring. Never saw it happen in the showers. Never saw it happen in the dorms. Never saw it happen out on the yard. I once…only ONCE…heard a guy groaning from a faraway cell late at night, but who’s to say he wasn’t having a nightmare?
I started believing that in prison, no one gets fucked in the ass who doesn’t WANT to get fucked in the ass.
The night of my arrest, I was assigned a jail cell inhabited by a huge ponytailed Eskimo, someone who could have easily snapped my neck between his thumb and forefingers. Instead of attacking me, he smiled, held out his hand, and told me his name. He ran through his hard-luck story, and I ran through mine.
The next day, while I was out of the cell taking a shower, guards sent the Eskimo home due to overcrowding. When I got back to my cell, he had left a candy bar for me on my bunk, a friendly gesture to help my time go easier.
A few nights later I was moved to another county jail, a louder, filthier, rustier one than before, and sent into a cell with a tall, muscular black guy called "Mack." He was a Crip from South-Central LA and had done hard time in California penitentiaries…a chap who could have easily made me retarded with one punch to the nose. Instead of fighting for my life, I spent all night talking with him about everything from computer viruses to Islam to UFOs to the Federal Reserve. Within a few hours he had given me his mother’s address and home phone number so when I got out I could see for myself whether she baked the meanest pies I’d ever tasted.
Wherever I went, the same scenario played itself out—convicted felons who’d scare you just to look at them were friendly and helpful in ways you’d never expect to see in prison, much less on the outside.
Convicts would befriend me. They’d share food, drugs, or legal advice. Or all three. And they’d expect nothing in return.
I saw this same cooperative spirit everywhere:
Black gangstas braiding each other’s hair in the bleachers.
Bone-crushing peckerwoods massaging each other’s impossibly muscular backs out on the weight pile, greeting each other with a throaty, Hulk Hogan-styled "Helll-ooo, bruh-thuurrrr!"
Crips playing cards with Nazis.
In prison, people get along better than they do on the streets. Rather than a gladiatorial bloodbath, prison is more like a giant support group for criminals.
Convicts display the sort of camaraderie that only emerges under siege. They are polite to one another because they know the consequences of being rude. It’s as if everyone’s carrying a gun, so no one gets shot. People are respectful in prison for the same reason that soldiers step carefully through a minefield.
Chaos is in nobody’s best interest. It’s fucking bad enough to be locked down. No need to make it worse. Nobody can afford the headaches. Everyone just wants to do their time and avoid trouble. The lifers, more than anyone, want a minimum of turbulence. They may be mamma-clubbers and baby-fuckers, but they still like a clean cell and a good night’s rest. Rape and assault would be, you know, too much trouble.
During the entire incarceration process, from arrest to detainment to prosecution to conviction to prison to parole, you realize that the ONLY people who are nice to you are other inmates. You’ll meet a lot of cold-blooded prosecutors and sadistic guards, a lot of do-gooders on the "right" side of the law who are paid to harm you and who laugh at the very idea that you’re human. But unless you go out of your way to be an asshole to other inmates, they’ll help you a lot more than they’ll hurt you.
Maybe these guys aren’t so empathetic when it comes to, say, not robbing banks or not making speed in their bathtubs or not having sex with corpses, but when it comes to other convicts, they have boundless empathy.
Why?
Because they know what it feels like to be locked up and treated like an animal.
Because they know that placing a human being in a cage is a crime in itself.
Because, despite whatever they’ve done in the past, they’ve learned one ethical lesson that no District Attorney or scared mindless taxpayer ever learned—it’s immoral to lock people up.
Because they know that being locked in a box, day in and day out for years and years, is more destructive to the human soul than being assaulted or raped.
Because, despite the fact that you’re a peckerwood and he’s a brutha, you’re all wearing the same blue uniform and you’re all soldiers against a common enemy.
Because, in a weird way, you are brought together by compassion. The compassion of dudes helping dudes.
I worried about the guards. I worried about returning to a society whose members would never understand what it feels like to be squashed inside a sardine can for 876 straight nights. But I didn’t worry about the inmates.
Prisoners form a common bond against a society so stupidly out-of-touch that it thinks all we do is punk out new fish and sell their asses for cigarettes.
The only time I saw inmates acting like animals…with "acting" being the operative word…was every week on Thursday morning when some local probation officer would parade a cluster of teenagers on some diversionary "Scared Straight" program past our cell bars while muttering the same tired speech about how, c’mon kids, ya don’t want to end up like these guys. That’s when we’d put on a show, a tongue-in-cheek "Welcome to the Jungle" guerrilla theater performance fulla hootin’ and hollerin’ and rattlin’ cell bars. I’d flash the kids my best "hundred-yard stare" and Clockwork Orange grin. And none of them would ever look me in the eye. On those mornings, we’d amuse ourselves by PRETENDING we were crazy, just like the straights expected of us…what an insult for us to be put on display like fucking zoo animals.
What does it say about SOCIETY that they need to see us as zoo beasts? It says they couldn’t justify caging us otherwise.
Believe me—prison is hell. Being salted away inside a steel box is worse than you could imagine. And it turns your worldview upside-down when you see it’s society…not the criminals…that is harming you. It fucks your head up to realize the system…not Bubba…is the predator.
The night I got out of prison, I went shopping at a local supermarket. While I was standing in the checkout line, someone bumped into me and kept walking without apologizing.
I was stunned. I didn’t know what to do. I hadn’t been treated like that in years.
People are never that rude in prison.
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"My children," said an old man to his boys scared by a figure in the dark entry, "my children, you will never see any thing worse than yourselves." As in dreams, so in the scarcely less fluid events of the world, every man sees himself as colossal, without knowing that it is himself. The good, compared to the evil which he sees, is as his own good to his own evil.
~ R.W. Emerson, "Spiritual Laws"
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: coda]
#8598593 - 07/05/08 08:24 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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coda said:
...It was a 5000$ mistake...
...In my case it was a 1000$ fine and 1 year of supervised probation...
So $4000 for the lawyer? I'd say $1000 fine and probation is pretty damn good for a felony drug charge.
What'd you get charged with anyway? Someone I know got caught with 1.6g of marijuana and had between 1000 and 1500 in fines, as well as classes. Pretty steep penalty if you ask me.
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coda
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: D4NK]
#8598609 - 07/05/08 08:28 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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yup, 4 gs for my lawyer, 1000 county restitution, plus i have to pay for my probation and a few other nickel and dime charges.
it was a felony possession charge which was dropped to a class A misdemeanor "possession of an instrument of crime".
Long story short: i was pulled over, roomie had things on him which caused the cops to search the car, i had a 30 mg oxy IR in my wallet. Stupid me gave it up thinking i'd walk with a ticket, little did i know that possession of any amount of a schedule 2 narcotic is an insta-felony.
I should have just kept my mouth shut, i didn't have time to eat the damn thing.
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Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: D4NK]
#8598619 - 07/05/08 08:31 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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Back a few year ago I got caught with 2 oz's of weed a scale and some baggies the cop was nice as hell and gave me a citation for disorderly conduct I got REALLLY lucky
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: D4NK]
#8598620 - 07/05/08 08:31 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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The only people that get raped in prison are the ones that accept commisary presents from those "nice to meet you" booty bandits.
Don't gamble, don't talk politics and most of all don't accept honey buns, rips or sodas from anyone.
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God bless you all and I hope you receive the help you need to turn away from your lives of sin.
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bradley
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8598864 - 07/05/08 09:53 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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that was a great article WClone.
i feeling much better...i think i could handle jail.
i guess there's not much chance of martyrdom from me 
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: coda]
#8598872 - 07/05/08 09:55 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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Because they know that placing a human being in a cage is a crime in itself.
Because, despite whatever they’ve done in the past, they’ve learned one ethical lesson that no District Attorney or scared mindless taxpayer ever learned—it’s immoral to lock people up.
it turns your worldview upside-down when you see it’s society…not the criminals…that is harming you. It fucks your head up to realize the system…not Bubba…is the predator.
Every line in that article is completely true.
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: D4NK]
#8598933 - 07/05/08 10:13 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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D4NK said:
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coda said:
...It was a 5000$ mistake...
...In my case it was a 1000$ fine and 1 year of supervised probation...
So $4000 for the lawyer? I'd say $1000 fine and probation is pretty damn good for a felony drug charge.
What'd you get charged with anyway? Someone I know got caught with 1.6g of marijuana and had between 1000 and 1500 in fines, as well as classes. Pretty steep penalty if you ask me.
1.6 grams? LOL, seriously?
I got caught with a a nickle at an airport in VA while I was in the Navy. I acted like a fucking fool and my girlfriend saved my ass. She told the cops we were on leave and going to see my mom for Christmas. They let me go and I had to go to court. The whole time I was tripping out thinking the Navy would find out about it. Hell, they even have a section at the courthouse for the military. Not to mention everyone's names and courtdates/offense posted all over the damned place.
Anyway, I took a day of leave on my courtdate. Went in civilian clothes. I had this nice lady as a judge. I was sweating balls because the courtoom was full of people in the Navy, waiting their turn.
Some child molester went before me and she went off on his ass. Kind of reminded me of a black Judge Judy. I was litteraly shaking and sweating my ass off. They called me up and I was just waiting for her to say "Your in the Navy and you don't have a ships representative and your in civilain clothers?" She didn't. She asked if I had went to any classes. Then she started flipping out because the airport cops did not bring the evidence. She started going off on them saying "You couldn't have told me this before was sworn in?"
Anyway, I told "This was a real eye opener for me" and she gave me a $100 fine and told me to get out. LOL, the cops F-up really helped me out.
I went and bought a QP the same day. It was awesome.
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: HoleSnype]
#8598994 - 07/05/08 10:32 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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HoleSnype said:
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D4NK said:
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coda said:
...It was a 5000$ mistake...
...In my case it was a 1000$ fine and 1 year of supervised probation...
So $4000 for the lawyer? I'd say $1000 fine and probation is pretty damn good for a felony drug charge.
What'd you get charged with anyway? Someone I know got caught with 1.6g of marijuana and had between 1000 and 1500 in fines, as well as classes. Pretty steep penalty if you ask me.
1.6 grams? LOL, seriously?
Very. Although I'm not sure how much of that was for the classes and/or 'expunging' fee.
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: D4NK]
#8599004 - 07/05/08 10:34 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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no such thing as an expunging fee. That's entirely up to the DA/judge on whether or not they seal your record after you do your time. Even so, if they seal your court record your arrest record often times stays up. So if people do background checks they'll see you've been arrested, but not convicted.
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To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . .
-JG
Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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Re: the tremendously horrible prospect of going to jail [Re: bradley]
#8599005 - 07/05/08 10:34 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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I had a scare last year. I got arrested with the dealer that I was buying from but I ate the 5 bags of dope I'd just bought. One of the arresting officers said something like "I bet you heard that if you eat your drugs you won't get charged huh?"
So they booked me and I spent the night in lockup and they let me out on promise to appear. When my date came and I went to court the state prosecutor pulled me aside and said there was a legal problem with the case (no evidence) and it had been annulled. I didn't have to see a judge or anything. The prosecutor just told me that the case could be reopened if I get arrested within the next year. I got lucky. I guess the arresting officer was wrong because eating the drugs worked out pretty well.
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