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 Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: blewmeanie]
#8591388 - 07/03/08 12:28 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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Think of it more as an IQ self evaluation rather than a test. Guessing should never even be considered.I really dont understand why anyone would unless they just wanted to feel better about themselves by artificially raising their "IQ".
My point is... The 'evaluation' was probably designed to compensate for guesses. So for an accurate score, you need that 1/8 correct on all your guesses. If the test/evaluation was not designed for you to guess unknowns, then you would get docked points for wrong answers which this test does not do.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: DieCommie]
#8591440 - 07/03/08 12:49 PM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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Think of it more as an IQ self evaluation rather than a test. Guessing should never even be considered.I really dont understand why anyone would unless they just wanted to feel better about themselves by artificially raising their "IQ".
My point is... The 'evaluation' was probably designed to compensate for guesses. So for an accurate score, you need that 1/8 correct on all your guesses. If the test/evaluation was not designed for you to guess unknowns, then you would get docked points for wrong answers which this test does not do.
Not at all, its not measuring knowledge, but mental ability. The theory being that intelligence correlates to how creatively you can identify patterns. This is also the reason for a time limit, although I personally disagree with using the speed at which someone can solve problems to equate intelligence.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: blewmeanie]
#8595717 - 07/04/08 06:34 PM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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After looking into it, I think I was wrong. I read something in an article, and thought it was true.
A 240 IQ is possible though, the more "intelligent" you are the less accurate the tests become.
This guy (chris langan) has an IQ of 195....he works in a bar as a bouncer
Thanks Blewmeanie! That was awesome, I watched all three parts. He reminds me a lot of Robert Anton Wilson. Why doesn't he write a book, that would get him out of the bouncer job?!
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: bradley]
#8595771 - 07/04/08 07:04 PM (3 months, 7 days ago) |
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He writes quite a bit, most of it being about his cognitive theoretic model of the universe. Here is his website.
http://www.ctmu.org/
Those clips were from an old movie, he isnt a bouncer anymore, I believe he lives on a small farm in Nevada.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: blewmeanie]
#8598042 - 07/05/08 05:10 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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Guessing is going to be a problem with any test if your trying to get a higher score than you deserve, why would you guess on any of them if you wanted an honest score for yourself? Its not like there is anything to gain by scoring higher. Anyone who guesses only screws themselves. I didnt answer any of them that I didnt think I had found the pattern for.
I had no idea how this thing was scored. On many tests one wrong answer is weighed differently than another wrong answer because some aspect of the pattern is incorporated in one choice but not the other. Even though this apparently is not the case, you can bet that the test makers calibrated the IQ scores to the shift caused by guessing.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: bradley]
#8598088 - 07/05/08 05:28 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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WTF is so hard to understand here?
Its not a test, its a self assessment. I happen to be assessing it for you so that I can compile statistics. It isnt designed with guessing in mind, I own the thing, I have the instructions. You are not supposed to guess!
I dont think I can make this any clearer, if you guess on any of them your only screwing yourself. The idea being to see if your brain is capable of finding the pattern, and predicting its outcome. It's not a tool for grading your ability to reason your way through it with logic.
If anyone wants to take a different one, I have many other sources for testing I can link you up with.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: blewmeanie]
#8598114 - 07/05/08 05:45 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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you didn't give us the instructions with the test, did you?
plus, suppose I can eliminate 50% of the choices on many questions. someone who can eliminate many choices obviously understands more than someone who doesn't have a clue, so how is ignoring that fact an accurate self assessment? 
if the test is not designed for guessing, the only answers anyone should write down are the ones they are 100% confident in. that is a pretty flawed scoring system considering most people are going to be pretty sure, but not 100% positive on many, many questions. i am skeptical.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: bradley]
#8598127 - 07/05/08 05:51 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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if the test is not designed for guessing, the only answers anyone should write down are the ones they are 100% confident in. that is a pretty flawed scoring system considering most people are going to be pretty sure, but not 100% positive on many, many questions. i am skeptical.
That's what I was thinking.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: Icelander]
#8598137 - 07/05/08 05:56 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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let's not make me feel any dumber than i have to! (109)
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: bradley]
#8598143 - 07/05/08 05:58 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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bradley said:
you didn't give us the instructions with the test, did you?
plus, suppose I can eliminate 50% of the choices on many questions. someone who can eliminate many choices obviously understands more than someone who doesn't have a clue, so how is ignoring that fact an accurate self assessment?
if the test is not designed for guessing, the only answers anyone should write down are the ones they are 100% confident in. that is a pretty flawed scoring system considering most people are going to be pretty sure, but not 100% positive on many, many questions. i am skeptical.
I dont know what to tell you, I didnt answer any of them that I wasnt 100% positive on. Once you recognize the pattern the answer is obvious. If you have a problem with my little project and would like your info excluded just let me know.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: blewmeanie]
#8598155 - 07/05/08 06:02 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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I dont know what to tell you, I didnt answer any of them that I wasnt 100% positive on.
If you were 100% positive wouldn't you score 100% on all questions answered? Any incorrect answer would constitute guessing wouldn't it?
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: Icelander]
#8598178 - 07/05/08 06:12 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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If you have a problem with my little project and would like your info excluded just let me know.
ha! i just have a problem with your reasoning on this. i don't think my results will skew your study as much as all of those that decided not to turn in their results. the project is obviously flawed because of that alone.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: Icelander]
#8598198 - 07/05/08 06:19 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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I can see what you mean to a degree, but I wouldnt say that is 100% true no.
People do make mistakes, its fairly easy to believe you see an obvious pattern, and even see what the next piece should be but miss a vital detail, and make a faulty prediction.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: blewmeanie]
#8598201 - 07/05/08 06:21 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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Often if I'm not 100% sure I will answer a question anyway. If I have no idea I don't. I thought everyone did that.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: bradley]
#8598212 - 07/05/08 06:24 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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If you have a problem with my little project and would like your info excluded just let me know.
ha! i just have a problem with your reasoning on this. i don't think my results will skew your study as much as all of those that decided not to turn in their results. the project is obviously flawed because of that alone.
Yeah, I would have to agree. I wouldnt even call it any kind of a study, and certainly not scientific. It was just a little project, that has been somewhat entertaining, but is ultimately not really showing anything. I think I only have 2 theist answers so far, although I would say that some of the statistics I'm seeing comparing BMI to the "IQ" score are pretty interesting.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: blewmeanie]
#8598214 - 07/05/08 06:24 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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likewise, it is easy to see a pretty definite pattern, yet to second guess yourself and still be right on the money 
is it possible to measure 100% certainty? are you certain you weren't maybe, 98% certain? prove it.
it just isn't measurable. either the test has to be designed for guessing or the scoring is flawed. simple.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: Icelander]
#8598228 - 07/05/08 06:31 PM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
Often if I'm not 100% sure I will answer a question anyway. If I have no idea I don't. I thought everyone did that.
On a real test yeah, I would too. This isnt a test though, and it is not really designed to be used the way Im using it. I certainly wouldnt use any of these scores to compare to a professionally administered test.
As bradley said the goofy little shroomery IQ project is flawed. Its not a problem with the assessment though it just isnt designed to be used in the way that I am using it.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: blewmeanie]
#8600035 - 07/06/08 08:02 AM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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If anyone wants to take a different one, I have many other sources for testing I can link you up with.
yeah, lemme try another one.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: bradley]
#8600044 - 07/06/08 08:06 AM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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These wont be my tests, but I can link you up with a few other non-supervised ones. You will most likely have to pay to get it scored though.
Probably somewhere between 10 and 50 dollars. Ill start putting together a list.
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Re: The great IQ debate! [Re: blewmeanie]
#8600159 - 07/06/08 09:10 AM (3 months, 6 days ago) |
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The first one is the Mysterium entrance examination, mysterium is a cheesey litte high IQ group, that pretty much only exists online. Its a fun test though, and its free.
http://www.mysteriumsociety.org/exam4.html
This one is the "giant test" it is the entrance exam for the "high potential society" another cheesy high IQ group that basically only exists online. Its free though, and they do have interesting discussion every now and then.
http://www.highpotentialssociety.org/Community/EmailGiantTestonlineen1.html
This is another from the same group
http://www.highpotentialssociety.org/Community/EmailGeniusTest1onlineen1.html
as is this
http://www.highpotentialssociety.org/Community/EmailBoantTestonlineen1.html
Here is a list of test developed by Paul Cooijmons and they are emensley difficult. Most if not all of them can qualify you for membership in Giga, yet another high IQ club.
http://paulcooijmans.lunarpages.com/index.html#tests
These are a few test given by nerocubo a spanish high IQ society, most of them are free, and most of them are in english as well.
http://s219092175.mialojamiento.es/neurocubo/admision.html
Here are a few excellent culture-fair tests, with no time limit. Most of them are accepted by a several different high IQ clubs.
http://www.etienne.nu/cfnse/
http://www.epiqsociety.org/get/
And here are a few others.
http://www.chez.com/remuemeninges/916.htm
http://www.chez.com/remuemeninges/hyper.htm
http://webs.ono.com/simplextest/
I may have already posted this one, I'm not sure. Sometimes different groups use the same test.
http://www.chez.com/remuemeninges/concep.htm
These guys have an extremely hard test, and one of the most interesting journals Ive ever read. Its right up most shroomerites alley.
http://www.thethousand.com/test.html
This is a list of other tests you may want to look up, some of them I am slightly familiar with others not at all. But I dont know enough about any of them to really review or suggest them. They should be easy enough to find with a google search.
- Algebrica
- Esoterica
- Hieroglyphica
- Logima Strictica
- Logicaus Strictimanus
- LS60
- LSHR
This is an odd little test, its fun if you like puzzles.
http://puzzles.zzlevo.net/foritensum/
This is the sigma test, its at the bottom of the page, but there is a small fee in order to get it scored. Its fairly well respected, and considered to a be an acurate test.
http://www.sigmasociety.com/sigma_teste/sigma_teste_eng.asp
High strangeness is all I can really say about this.
http://johnnyvirtual.8m.net/hiQ/camparchimedes/index2.html
This is sort of an ongoing test, and its pretty interesting.
http://www.mental-testing.com/
The titan test, all I can really say is this thing is a monster. Its 50 dollars, but worth it if you like this kind of thing.
http://www.eskimo.com/~miyaguch/titan.html
Well I think thats about it, obviously some of these are more realistic than others, so pick and choose which ones you want to take, or take them all. They can be allot of fun if you like puzzles.
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