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 bradley
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 james joyce
#8598136 - 07/05/08 05:54 PM (3 months, 23 hours ago) |
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i checked out ulysses from the library because i wanted something epic and challenging...
and... i fucking hate it. this style is so frustrating, jumping around like popcorn, but gloomy too. lots of brain strain. i guess i'm too dumb to read joyce 
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Re: james joyce [Re: bradley]
#8598144 - 07/05/08 05:58 PM (3 months, 23 hours ago) |
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Yeah, reading his works depresses me too. 
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Re: james joyce [Re: ToiletDuk]
#8598179 - 07/05/08 06:12 PM (3 months, 23 hours ago) |
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I enjoyed Ulysses because I'M FUCKING PSYCHOTIC 
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Re: james joyce [Re: Ferris]
#8598186 - 07/05/08 06:14 PM (3 months, 23 hours ago) |
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hahahaha
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Re: james joyce [Re: bradley]
#8603811 - 07/07/08 11:22 AM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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Ulysses sucks because it contains about 50,000 allusions and references to things most people don't know anything about. Therefore, the only way to understand it is to read it while taking a class about it or to get a version that interprets all the allusions... When properly understood... many claim it is the greatest book ever written.
If you want something more understandable, but still epic and challenging, I recommend "One Hundred Years of Solitude" by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.
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If you want something more understandable, but still epic and challenging, I recommend "One Hundred Years of Solitude" by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.
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Re: james joyce [Re: guruu]
#8603996 - 07/07/08 12:17 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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I enjoyed Ulysses and One Hundred of Solitude but can't say I really understood either for shit. I just liked the ambience I guess. With Joyce I enjoyed the rhythm with Marquez I enjoyed the poetic nature of the individual passages but I had no idea how anything was tied into anything else in either of those novels. The Sound and The Fury is a difficult rocker that I was finally able to make some sense out of.
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Re: james joyce [Re: bradley]
#8604020 - 07/07/08 12:22 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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i guess i'm too dumb to read joyce
Yep. James Joyce is something you have to earn.
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The Sound and the Fury is one of those books I probably would have thoroughly enjoyed if it weren't required reading.
I see no problem with liking a book just for its style, or ambience as you put it. I read it more as an art form, as opposed to a historical/social commentary.
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Re: james joyce [Re: Ferris]
#8604230 - 07/07/08 01:41 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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Kerouac is the master of "words as art." Slogging through his collected works was one of the most beautiful literary experiences of my life. His apathy and nihilism seemed to make his world seem even richer... which makes about as much sense as his extensive psychobabble, in the best sense of things.
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Re: james joyce [Re: bradley]
#8604435 - 07/07/08 02:49 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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On the whole, I find Hesse more envigorating. Glass Bead Game, anyone?
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Hesse is my favorite author yet mentioned on this thread.
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Re: james joyce [Re: bradley]
#8604785 - 07/07/08 04:35 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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Ulysses is a rough read, but if you can slog through the endless allusion and extended imagery/metaphor, you will find snippets of some pretty incredible prose.
I personally prefer Portrait of the Artist, but both are far superior to the fucking joke that is Finnegan's Wake.
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On the whole, I find Hesse more envigorating. Glass Bead Game, anyone?
I just started reading Narcissus and Goldmund (a happy veer from Ulysses). I loved Glass Bead Game at first but I stopped reading it halfway through; I felt like it began to stall.
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Re: james joyce [Re: bradley]
#8604892 - 07/07/08 04:58 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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Narcissus and Goldmund
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Re: james joyce [Re: bradley]
#8605058 - 07/07/08 05:41 PM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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bradley said:
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On the whole, I find Hesse more envigorating. Glass Bead Game, anyone?
I just started reading Narcissus and Goldmund (a happy veer from Ulysses). I loved Glass Bead Game at first but I stopped reading it halfway through; I felt like it began to stall.
If it felt like it began to stall halfway through, I'd suggest looking up a brief summary of who each of the characters represented. Adds a whole lot more depth to the book.
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Re: james joyce [Re: bradley]
#8605477 - 07/07/08 07:11 PM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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That's Joyce's cosmic chuckle: The difficulty of the work. It's not difficult at all. But you have to do so much investigation into the banal, everyday details of life he described throughout that at the end of your research you just chuckle.
I took a Joyce class last semester and it was amazing. Joyce really was a jokester and scatological word master.
One of our assignments was to research the advertisement about "potted meat". Well, when you research it turns out that it is a can of meat, like Spam, but was also a sexual reference to going balls deep in a girl's snatch and at the end of the novel when Bloom comes back home to Molly there is little bits and "flakes" of "potted meat" all over the bedsheets that Bloom calmly and nonchalantly brushes to the side.
It was the love stains of Molly's tryst with Blazes Boylan.
Shit like that. 
Ulysses is both a celebration of life and a sorrowful examination seen through the eyes of Joyce's "Christ" character.
If you thought Ulysses was hard, browse through Finnegans Wake.
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What difference does it make? I mean, you can't not understand something more than something else, can you?
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Yes.
At least with Ulysses, there is the faint glimmer of hope that there might, in fact, be something intelligible hidden underneath all of that excessive and arcane verbage.
As opposed to Finnegan's Wake, which is just plain gibberish.
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With me there was no hope of understanding that shit man
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