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 Luddite
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 Nature is bad
#8597413 - 07/05/08 01:11 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Nature is bad
That's right, hippies, nature is bad. Nature is survival of the fittest, exploitation of the weak, dog eat dog, disease, poison and parasites. Everywhere in nature you have one organism, plant, animal or microbe, trying to shit on another organism. Organisms of the same species fight to become top dog only to pass their genes onto the next generation. Predators eat prey, who need predators to control their numbers to prevent overpopulation which would use up all of the prey's food supply.
Its man's mission on earth to conquer and control nature. Nature, alone, has no purpose. Now that man has arrived on earth, it is nature's purpose to serve mankind. Of course, it might be desirable to have some reasonable amount of conservation so nature can provide for man's needs long term. The most morally upright of mankind reduce the suffering of his fellow man by inventing and providing labor saving devices and other technology. To run the labor saving devices and provide synthetic materials of at least equal or better worth than natural materials, man has learned to use fossil fuels, such as oil, natural gas and coal. The companies and those working in those industries that provide these products are some of the most righteous people on earth as are the farmers who provide food for mankind. If it wasn't for synthetic chemistry, it would be impossible to provide enough food for the human race today.
The most noble life a human can lead is as a fair free trade capitalist owning or working for a company, especially a publically owned corporation which provides large amounts of wealth for its share holders and society. The highest level of society is those refered to as conservatives or neo-conservatives, in many ways modeled after Plato's Republic where the smartest and most educated run society for the benefit of all.
A number of deviant individuals oppose man's true nature as discussed here by opposing capitalism and setting up scams where these individuals pretend to be environmentalists with little or no knowledge of science. Many may have tried to get a traditional scientific education only to drop out and become involved with a leftist scam outfit.
These people, especially, the fake environmentalists are in league with the devil. These deviants insist man is evil and claim he only exploits and damages the earth.
The deviants speak with a religious fervor and provide tainted evidence and pseudoscience and claim mankind is creating a catastrophy in order to encourage people to join their suicide pact. These left leaning deviants have failed in a fair capitalist system because of their sociopathic incompetence and want to destroy it and all those who are part of it.
The greatest evil they have concocted is the man made global warming scam where they try to blame all bad things that happen today on an alleged global warming caused by mankind's use of fossil fuels.
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Icelander
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 Re: Nature is bad [Re: Luddite]
#8597801 - 07/05/08 03:38 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Nature is bad
In your case I would agree.
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I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: Luddite]
#8597827 - 07/05/08 03:47 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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...these individuals [people committed to humanitarianism/environmentalism]...with little or no knowledge of science. Many may have tried to get a traditional scientific education only to drop out and become involved with a leftist scam outfit.
Of course, could you imagine being stuck in the same room with Albert Einstein, Stephen Jay Gould, Carl Sagan & Isaac Asimov? That'd be a real  -fest.
You may not be aware of some modern discoveries in neuroscience, but there is believed to be a specific part of the brain associated with emotions, & more specifically with empathy. People who have autism, for example, appear to be deficient in neural connections in this part of their brain, & this very well may explain their impaired social/emotional behavior & interactions with others. Serial murderers/torturers are also believed to have deficient neural connections in this part of their brain, as well, perhaps explaining why they feel no empathy for the pain of their victims or remorse for their crimes. You should get a brain scan sometime; the results for neural activities in this area of your brain might be very illuminating as to your worldview.
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: Luddite]
#8598059 - 07/05/08 05:16 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Luddite said:
The most noble life a human can lead is as a fair free trade capitalist owning or working for a company, especially a publically owned corporation which provides large amounts of wealth for its share holders and society. The highest level of society is those refered to as conservatives or neo-conservatives, in many ways modeled after Plato's Republic where the smartest and most educated run society for the benefit of all.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Money is far from the most "noble" life a human can lead, in fact, it's pretty far from it. Just shows that you and all the other neocon-artists care about only money, no matter the cost to our species or planet.
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zorbman
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Hey, at least he put his position in his own words for once unlike his usual Link-O'-Thon.
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Luddite
fossil fool
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: zorbman]
#8600256 - 07/06/08 10:09 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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Niggas, pleze!
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Edited by Luddite (07/06/08 10:10 AM)
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Redstorm
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Gastronomicus said:
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Luddite said:
The most noble life a human can lead is as a fair free trade capitalist owning or working for a company, especially a publically owned corporation which provides large amounts of wealth for its share holders and society. The highest level of society is those refered to as conservatives or neo-conservatives, in many ways modeled after Plato's Republic where the smartest and most educated run society for the benefit of all.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Money is far from the most "noble" life a human can lead, in fact, it's pretty far from it. Just shows that you and all the other neocon-artists care about only money, no matter the cost to our species or planet.
The above quoted post is no more valid than the original post. It's just an opinion with no support.
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GazzBut
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: Luddite]
#8600971 - 07/06/08 02:31 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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its man's mission on earth to conquer and control nature.
Here lies the root of your problem. Man is not separate from nature, man is simply another aspect of nature.
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: Redstorm]
#8601022 - 07/06/08 02:48 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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Redstorm said:
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Luddite said:
The most noble life a human can lead is as a fair free trade capitalist owning or working for a company, especially a publically owned corporation which provides large amounts of wealth for its share holders and society. The highest level of society is those refered to as conservatives or neo-conservatives, in many ways modeled after Plato's Republic where the smartest and most educated run society for the benefit of all.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Money is far from the most "noble" life a human can lead, in fact, it's pretty far from it. Just shows that you and all the other neocon-artists care about only money, no matter the cost to our species or planet.
The above quoted post is no more valid than the original post. It's just an opinion with no support.
...and as this thread is a debate of opinions that's perfectly acceptable
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The most noble life a human can lead is as a fair free trade capitalist owning or working for a company, especially a publically owned corporation which provides large amounts of wealth for its share holders and society. The highest level of society is those refered to as conservatives or neo-conservatives, in many ways modeled after Plato's Republic where the smartest and most educated run society for the benefit of all.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Money is far from the most "noble" life a human can lead, in fact, it's pretty far from it. Just shows that you and all the other neocon-artists care about only money, no matter the cost to our species or planet.
QFT
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Luddite
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This book says it all. The leftists fake environmentalism is worse than communism and Al Qaeda combined.
http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Global-Warming-Environmentalism/dp/1596985011/ref=pd_cp_b_3?pf_rd_p=413864201&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0742551245&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=172TGHVGH6GP0WTPX6Z4
Product Description
This latest installment in the P.I.G. series provides a provocative, entertaining, and well-documented expose of some of the most shamelessly politicized pseudo-science we are likely to see in our relatively cool lifetimes.
From the Inside Flap
"Global warming":
the Left's last best chance to gain a stranglehold on our political system and economy
For decades, environmentalism has been the Left's best excuse for increasing government control over our actions in ways both large and small. It's for Mother Earth! It's for the children! It's for the whales! But until now, the doomsday-scenario environmental scares they've trumped up haven't been large enough to justify the lifestyle restrictions they want to impose. With global warming, however, greenhouse gasbags can argue that auto emissions in Ohio threaten people in Paris, and that only "global governance" (Jacques Chirac's words) can tackle such problems.
Now, in The Politically Incorrect Guide(tm) to Global Warming and Environmentalism, Christopher C. Horner tears the cover off the Left's manipulation of environmental issues for political purposes--and lays out incontrovertible evidence for the fact that catastrophic man-made global warming is just more Chicken-Little hysteria, not actual science. He explains why, although Al Gore and his cronies among the media elites and UN globalists endlessly bleat that "global warming" is an unprecedented global crisis, they really think of it as a dream come true. It's the ideal scare campaign for those who hate capitalism and love big government. For, as Horner explains, if global warming really were as bad as the Leftist doomsayers insist it is, then no policy imaginable could "solve" it. According to the logic of the greens' own numbers, no matter how much we sacrifice there would still be more to do. That makes global warming the bottomless well of excuses for the relentless growth of big government.
Horner (an attorney and senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute) reveals the full anti-American, anti-capitalist, and anti-human agenda of today's environmentalists, dubbing them "green on the outside, red to the core." He details how they use strong-arm legal tactics--and worse--against those who dare to point out the weakness of their arguments for global warming. Along the way, he explodes ten top global warming myths, carefully examining the evidence to determine how much warming there really is and what is actually causing it. He exposes the lies that the environmental lobby routinely tells to make its case; the ways in which it is trying to impose initiatives such as the Kyoto Protocol on an unwilling American public; and much more--including the green lobby's favorite politicians (John Kerry, John McCain, Joe Lieberman, and others).
It's time to stand up to the environmentalist industry and insist: human beings are not the enemy. In breezy, light-hearted, and always entertaining fashion, The Politically Incorrect Guide(tm) to Global Warming and Environmentalism gives you the facts you need to do so.
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Edited by Luddite (07/07/08 06:55 PM)
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Gastronomicus
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: Luddite]
#8605388 - 07/07/08 06:52 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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And the link-a-thon continues
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: GazzBut]
#8605407 - 07/07/08 06:56 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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GazzBut said:
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its man's mission on earth to conquer and control nature.
Here lies the root of your problem. Man is not separate from nature, man is simply another aspect of nature.
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Redstorm
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: Redstorm]
#8605421 - 07/07/08 06:59 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Redstorm said:
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Gastronomicus said:
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Luddite said:
The most noble life a human can lead is as a fair free trade capitalist owning or working for a company, especially a publically owned corporation which provides large amounts of wealth for its share holders and society. The highest level of society is those refered to as conservatives or neo-conservatives, in many ways modeled after Plato's Republic where the smartest and most educated run society for the benefit of all.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Money is far from the most "noble" life a human can lead, in fact, it's pretty far from it. Just shows that you and all the other neocon-artists care about only money, no matter the cost to our species or planet.
The above quoted post is no more valid than the original post. It's just an opinion with no support.
I just think it's funny that you ridicule his post while posting nothing debunking it. You say his point is not correct because it's not correct. That is not debate.
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: Luddite]
#8605516 - 07/07/08 07:20 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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This book says it all. The leftists fake environmentalism is worse than communism and Al Qaeda combined.
Well, if some obscure & unscientific book says it, then that's good enough for me. Oh yeah, you do know that the 'Politically Incorrect Guide to...' book series also has one about evolution being false (& probably instead suggests that the entire universe was instantaneously created... or perhaps created in six 24 hr. days... in its present form within the last 10,000 years)? Is it any surprise that denial of human-induced climate change goes hand-in-hand with this completely idiotic & totally unscientific notion (creationism)? No, it is not.
OMFG ROTFLMAO... Of all the people he could have chosen a short quotation from to promote the validity of the book, he chose Sen. James Inhofe... now it's absolutely clear that it's a book by the Religious Right.
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"...the role our nation has taken... of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments... we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values... When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered." - Martin Luther King Jr.
Edited by EntheogenicPeace (07/07/08 10:29 PM)
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: Luddite]
#8605598 - 07/07/08 07:39 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Here's their PIG book about the Bible, which 'not only proves the Bible to be true,' but also demonstrates that 'The Bible is the source for the Western ideas of justice, science, and democracy' & reveals that 'The enemies of the Bible are enemies of true reason and tolerance':
http://www.regnery.com/books/pigbible.html
Here's the one that says 'why Darwinism... is headed for extinction':
http://www.regnery.com/books/pigdarwin.html
Here's one defending the Roman Catholic Church's persecution of Galileo for daring to challenge their belief in the scientific validity of a text of ancient Hebrew mythology regarding a concept of mathematics & astronomy (& it wouldn't surprise me if they also defended the destruction of the library at Alexandria & the frenzied mob execution of Hypatia on the grounds that they were "pagans" who "offended God"):
http://www.regnery.com/books/pigscience.html
Here's one that attempts to put women back in the subservient role in which they belong in accordance with God's laws:
http://www.regnery.com/books/pigwomen.html
What socially & scientifically illuminating works your spamming on this message board consists of, & how much more intelligent we are for reading them.
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"Every part of this earth is sacred to my people. Every pine needle, every sandy shore, every humming insect is holy... We are part of the earth and it is part of us... The earth does not belong to man; man belongs to the earth." - Chief Seattle
"...the role our nation has taken... of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments... we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values... When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered." - Martin Luther King Jr.
Edited by EntheogenicPeace (07/07/08 10:31 PM)
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thedefone
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The deviants speak with a religious fervor and provide tainted evidence and pseudoscience and deny mankind is creating a catastrophy in order to encourage people to join their suicide pact.
Fixed it for you.
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: Redstorm]
#8607031 - 07/08/08 04:18 AM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Luddite said:
If it wasn't for synthetic chemistry, it would be impossible to provide enough food for the human race today.
Yes only because we are damn lazy procrastinators, if everyone was passionate enough to grow their own food, it would be far from impossible.
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The above quoted post is no more valid than the original post. It's just an opinion with no support.
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Part of me longs for the day of an asteroid to come smashing down on our economic system or perhaps a pandemic to keep us in check.
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numonkei
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: LaineRB]
#8612260 - 07/09/08 09:31 AM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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LaineRB said:
Part of me longs for the day of an asteroid to come smashing down on our economic system or perhaps a pandemic to keep us in check.
Better knock on wood and hope on that meteor to wait fifty years guy!
I don't want to miss Final Fantasy 37!!!
This thread is based on useless propaganda. And the Left's best chance on imposing more government control is going to be when 99% of the population is REALLY poor and tired of getting assraped. About the same time all the middle-class gets pushed out of their homes.
It shouldn't take long at this rate.
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: numonkei]
#8612313 - 07/09/08 09:53 AM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Luddite wins this thread just for posting a penguin with a flowery lei on. 
http://planetinperil.ytmnd.com/
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Luddite
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Re: Nature is bad [Re: johnm214]
#8614526 - 07/09/08 07:37 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Global Warming Madness and How to Stop It
Written By: Joseph Bast
Published In: Heartlander
Publication Date: February 1, 2007
Publisher: The Heartland Institute
The temperature on New Year’s Day in Chicago was a balmy 50 degrees F. More evidence of global warming? Hardly.
The five New Year’s Days with the highest temperatures occurred in 1876, 1897, 1892, 1890, and 1891, all long before human greenhouse gas emissions could have played a role in changing climate. The one thing we know for sure about the weather is that it is always changing.
But the warm weather will fuel more hot rhetoric about global warming, a public policy issue that could have a major effect on our freedoms and our pocketbooks in the coming years.
Why it Matters
Global warming is the biggest environmental issue of our time. Its political and economic impacts will be larger than those associated with any other environmental issue.
Government power: Public policies being proposed at the international, national, and state levels in the name of “stopping global warming” would result in a massive increase in the size and power of the state. To reduce emissions, governments must raise energy costs directly, with taxes, or indirectly, with mandates and subsidies.
Either way, hundreds of billions of dollars a year in wealth or economic activity will be sucked up and redistributed by governments. For advocates of limited government, the debate over global warming is one of the preeminent issues of our time.
Economic harm: Energy is the “master resource,” used in the creation of nearly all other goods and services. Making energy artificially scarce therefore imposes enormous economic costs. Global warming legislation being considered by Congress would more than cancel out the beneficial effects of the Bush tax cuts.
Reducing greenhouse gas emissions even modestly is estimated to cost the average household in the U.S. a cool $3,372 per year and would destroy 2.4 million jobs. Electricity prices would double, and manufacturers would move their factories to places such as China and India that have cheaper energy and fewer environmental regulations.
Social movements: In 2004, the leftist leaders of the environmental movement decided to make global warming the “global crisis” that would save their reputations, create an excuse for a full assault on businesses and capitalism, increase their influence over the Democrat Party, and fund their organizations in perpetuity. The movement’s leaders recognize that losing on this issue would further discredit a movement that has already squandered the public good will earned during the 1960s and 1970s.
On this aspect of the global warming debate, the leading environmentalists are correct. If they win this issue, billions of dollars in government funds will flow into the coffers of radical environmental groups, giving them the resources and stature to implement other parts of their anti-technology, anti-business agenda.
Can We Win?
Fighting global warming extremism is essential if we are to stop a resurgence of radical environmentalism and left liberalism on a wide range of other public policy issues. But can we win? Yes.
The scientific community is on our side: Despite claims of a “consensus” in favor of alarmist predictions, surveys of scientists show extensive opposition to alarmism. A 2003 international survey of climate scientists (with 530 responding) found only 9.6 percent “strongly agreed” and 25.3 percen |
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