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It'd take a chainsaw.
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 OrgoneConclusion
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 Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Cervantes]
#8591772 - 07/03/08 02:40 PM (2 months, 2 days ago) |
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There are a few Oregonians on board that could easily fell such a tree.
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Cervantes
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There are a few Oregonians on board that could easily fell such a tree.
I just think about baseball.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. -Inigo Montoya
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Cervantes]
#8592595 - 07/03/08 06:16 PM (2 months, 2 days ago) |
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There are a few Oregonians on board that could easily fell such a tree.
I just think about baseball.
Not my X-mas tree... Bastards.
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Chronic777
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Cervantes]
#8594227 - 07/04/08 07:52 AM (2 months, 1 day ago) |
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Asking for proof is great, but usually comes from the minds cynicism, when asking for proof comes sincerely from the heart as a yearning for truth you will discover truth.
That is a nice thought... but it is entirely full of shit.
Asking for proof is not great.
Asking for proof is LOGICAL.
Anything else is just blind faith.
A yearning for truth will not show you the truth... unless you believe imaginary truths are as true as actual truths.
Just 'cause you talk and think like a stoner/tripper... doesn't make it true.
Doesn't make what true???
Blind faith is for morons imo, i speak from direct experience & nothing else.
What i refer to as truth involves no imagination, no logic, and no proof as all these are subject to change & involve objectivity. Truth is in the subject.
Everything i talk about as highest truth & absolute ultimate truth etc... is referring to the unmanifest. How can the unmanifest EVER be prooved by objective logic? The unmanifest is the subjective ground of being, never ever will it be prooved by objective knowledge, only personal experience of it can be proof. Although its the most non personal experience you can have! 
This is the cosmic humour, the highest truth we all seek is what we already are, the subject, which is nothing, but we try to find it in objective knowledge which is impossible.
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"I remember one experience where a person experienced being physically raped by psychedelic crocodiles"
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Chronic777]
#8594453 - 07/04/08 10:30 AM (2 months, 1 day ago) |
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"Learning is sweet & a very fun play but truly what you are in essence learns nothing new, you only remember what you have forgotten"
Honestly...??
Lock a kid in a closet and see how developed they become when you ignore them, treat them like shit, and neglect them.
A child would have to learn to not repeat these same mistakes. That is a large step, imo. One a large amount of people don't even consider.
Why don't you ever address questions like this that seem to make your knowledge a tad sketchy...??
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Icelander
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 yes, a tad.
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
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Chronic777
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"Learning is sweet & a very fun play but truly what you are in essence learns nothing new, you only remember what you have forgotten"
Honestly...??
Lock a kid in a closet and see how developed they become when you ignore them, treat them like shit, and neglect them.
A child would have to learn to not repeat these same mistakes. That is a large step, imo. One a large amount of people don't even consider.
Why don't you ever address questions like this that seem to make your knowledge a tad sketchy...??
I don't recall not addressing questions like this in the past unless is simply did not return to the thread.
Ok, we all have to learn things in life, like a child has to learn how to survive & learn right from wrong, earn a living & raise a family of its own, this is the tree of knowledge that we all have to eat from.
Life is living with external objects & identifying with them so objective knowledge is necessary.
But eventually some beings get tired of the rat race of life and want to know why they are here, where they came from, where they are essentially going, to know this you have to drop all the knowledge you have learned from childhood. Its a paradox. To know who you are before identity, you have to drop identity. But of course first identity has to be taken on, without this there wouldn't be awakening!
Every single being has to eat from the tree of knowledge as life is survival, but awakening is not about survival it is about death, total & utter anihilation, which is inevitable for every being. All beings have to go through the frustration, the unfullfillment, the dissatisfaction of objective knowledge.
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"I remember one experience where a person experienced being physically raped by psychedelic crocodiles"
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Chronic777]
#8596834 - 07/05/08 09:21 AM (2 months, 15 hours ago) |
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I don't recall not addressing questions like this in the past unless is simply did not return to the thread.
Thats why Icelander gave me a ?? Its always this same routine. Don't get me wrong... I know where you are coming from, most of the time. But your ideas are so Guru that its hard for me to sit and read. Direct questions are quite routinely dodged by yourself in favor of this style as it never quite addresses anything, imo.
this is the tree of knowledge that we all have to eat from.
What if I believe that the tree of knowledge is a mushroom...?? Isn't that the Devil... Or something...??
To know who you are before identity, you have to drop identity. But of course first identity has to be taken on, without this there wouldn't be awakening!
You write as if no one has 'been there.' Little annoying. 2006 is when I had a complete ego disintegration that took me six weeks to put back together. Know that some have been quite far in their journeys, maybe. Regulars in here I'm sure don't need to be preached to. Not to preach.
but awakening is not about survival it is about death, total & utter anihilation, which is inevitable for every being. All beings have to go through the frustration, the unfullfillment, the dissatisfaction of objective knowledge.
Again, I know exactly what you are talking about. I just attached my beliefs to the esoteric model of Christianity. With the tree of knowledge being actual fruit. The serpent as God, Wisdom, Everlasting life... Eve as Divine Feminine.
The fruit will kill you in the day, in the way where you don't die... But die spiritually inside. Its not easy, friend. You make it sound so dreamy that its like you miss the point, or heavens, haven't been there yourself... Living out the waking death drama of the spiritual rebirth and awakening was the scariest thing I've been through. The help is... how you say... Fucked.
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Chronic777
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To know who you are before identity, you have to drop identity. But of course first identity has to be taken on, without this there wouldn't be awakening!
You write as if no one has 'been there.' Little annoying. 2006 is when I had a complete ego disintegration that took me six weeks to put back together. Know that some have been quite far in their journeys, maybe. Regulars in here I'm sure don't need to be preached to. Not to preach.
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Im gonna stay with this bit here as its the most "important", i wrote as if no-one is there because no-one is there! The ego does not even exist, ego death isn't actually some thing dying its realizing there was nothing in the first place, just a thought, the idea dies before the form physically dies.
I def dont want to preach to anyone, i want to help for sure because realization is the best thing that can happen to a person but i dont want to come off as preachy, but if i do then so be it!
I used the example of tree of knowledge because we all have to learn and fall into illusion, through learning objective knowledge. I wasn't connecting it to psychedelics in any way, if anything mushrooms make you know less objectively and thin the veil of illusion. I know its a pretty story to put mushrooms with the forbidden fruit, but if anything shrooms reveal god to you they dont make you fall from grace.
If they were the forbidden fruit then it was cause "god" wanted to stay hidden behind the illusion.
Also shrooms dont grow on trees Oh yeah, & its a story!
The fall from grace is the falling from pure subjectivity, into objective identity. This is where adam & eve became aware of theyre bodies & covered them.
All this is a story, even this load of nonsense im writing none of touches what its pointing to, throw every bit of it away, & while your doing that throw yourself away & throw the world away & stay as whats left.
None of these words even stay with me, i write what comes in the moment and then the words fall away, Be like this to be free, dont let anything stick to you, be like the teflon don
Do this then we can really talk 
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"I remember one experience where a person experienced being physically raped by psychedelic crocodiles"
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Chronic777]
#8596890 - 07/05/08 09:52 AM (2 months, 14 hours ago) |
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reveal god to you they dont make you fall from grace.
Its a choice which direction you will go. Some jump.
Do this then we can really talk
I think I just might laugh and stare at you in respectful contempt.
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Chronic777
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reveal god to you they dont make you fall from grace.
Its a choice which direction you will go. Some jump.
Do this then we can really talk
I think I just might laugh and stare at you in respectful contempt.
What watches the jump? Really look
Can you really fall from grace?
As long as you laugh i am happy for you, i used to get paranoid when walking down the street, if i saw two dudes laughing i would have the audacity to think "they are laughing at me!" now if that thought comes, then good! as long as i don't make them sad!
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"That in whom reside all beings and who resides in all beings, who is the giver of grace to all, the Supreme Soul of the universe, the limitless being, I Am That."
"I remember one experience where a person experienced being physically raped by psychedelic crocodiles"
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Chronic777]
#8596898 - 07/05/08 09:59 AM (2 months, 14 hours ago) |
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Chronic777 said:
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reveal god to you they dont make you fall from grace.
Its a choice which direction you will go. Some jump.
Do this then we can really talk
I think I just might laugh and stare at you in respectful contempt.
What watches the jump? Really look
Can you really fall from grace?
As long as you laugh i am happy for you, i used to get paranoid when walking down the street, if i saw two dudes laughing i would have the audacity to think "they are laughing at me!" now if that thought comes, then good! as long as i don't make them sad!
My family and friends and the help that I got saw me drowning in... Madness. Fire??
Why would they be laughing at you...??
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Chronic777
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reveal god to you they dont make you fall from grace.
Its a choice which direction you will go. Some jump.
Do this then we can really talk
I think I just might laugh and stare at you in respectful contempt.
What watches the jump? Really look
Can you really fall from grace?
As long as you laugh i am happy for you, i used to get paranoid when walking down the street, if i saw two dudes laughing i would have the audacity to think "they are laughing at me!" now if that thought comes, then good! as long as i don't make them sad!
My family and friends and the help that I got saw me drowning in... Madness. Fire??
Why would they be laughing at you...??
Because ego is all about me me me me!
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"That in whom reside all beings and who resides in all beings, who is the giver of grace to all, the Supreme Soul of the universe, the limitless being, I Am That."
"I remember one experience where a person experienced being physically raped by psychedelic crocodiles"
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Chronic777]
#8596919 - 07/05/08 10:07 AM (2 months, 14 hours ago) |
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Chronic777 said:
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Chronic777 said:
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backfromthedead said:
reveal god to you they dont make you fall from grace.
Its a choice which direction you will go. Some jump.
Do this then we can really talk
I think I just might laugh and stare at you in respectful contempt.
What watches the jump? Really look
Can you really fall from grace?
As long as you laugh i am happy for you, i used to get paranoid when walking down the street, if i saw two dudes laughing i would have the audacity to think "they are laughing at me!" now if that thought comes, then good! as long as i don't make them sad!
My family and friends and the help that I got saw me drowning in... Madness. Fire??
Why would they be laughing at you...??
Because ego is all about me me me me!
What if they were laughing at you...??
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Chronic777
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Its all good, as long as they were laughing, if i was laughing at them or them laughing at me its all Self laughing at Self.
This may be a bit disturbing but when i watch the news and some tragic thing happens greta compassion comes & sometimes even a tear or two, but inside its like somehting is laughing at how innocent we all are killing each other so brutally.
I mean even if we pick & eat a leaf we are still killing something, its all murder & torture & such immense suffering but at the same time i love it sooo much!
One of the best experiences ive had in this body was feeling like i was being ripped open from inside, so painful, but it felt so amazingly blissfull at the same time. Like on the edges of yin/yang being torn apart but staying inseparably blissfull.
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"That in whom reside all beings and who resides in all beings, who is the giver of grace to all, the Supreme Soul of the universe, the limitless being, I Am That."
"I remember one experience where a person experienced being physically raped by psychedelic crocodiles"
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