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You can beat it with the power of your mind.
It depends on how bad you have it. Apparently, you have the capability to articulate sentences together and type on a computer.
Many people suffering from those disorders can't because they are so far removed from reality.
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 Re: Schizophrenia [Re: MarioTrip]
#8587132 - 07/02/08 09:42 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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You can beat it with the power of your mind.
It depends on how bad you have it. Apparently, you have the capability to articulate sentences together and type on a computer.
Many people suffering from those disorders can't because they are so far removed from reality.
A big problem that I've noted is that people are made to believe that it is an incurable disease... Only treatable with super powerful thought/life inhibiting 'drugs.' If you stop the thought that is the necessary introspection to rise above, no hope. If you know that it is better framed as a spiritual event there are much more promising horizons. Doctors are not together on the issue. The best medication in my mind and in my experience is Invega. Its a porcelain pill with laser cut holes and a time released medication that releases into your system as it expands. You shit out the porcelain and there are virtually no side effects with its action. I was told by another doctor that that is just the best marketing strategy. What did he give me?? Another medication... That he said was the same. Side effects: heart attack, stroke, dizziness, confusion, sexual dysfunction. The chemicals are very different. Why would he lie to me?? Help?? They know nothing of the sacred serpent entwined staff. Who takes symbols and flips them like that?? (Nazis) Soma?? Its now a pharmaceutical muscle relaxer. I wonder why?? Don't use heroin, but use oxycontin. Don't smoke weed, but use Marinol. Don't use psilocybin to regulate mood, use Prozac, Zoloft, Lexapro, Xanax, Zyprexa, Depakote, lithium... etc. We ain't guinea pigs, mane. I'll stick to what works. I will have medical MJ, or else. Doctors are coming around to Truth. Some people are stuck and the accepted treatments more often trap you instead of help and create a cocktail of other problems... But here now take this and take this. (from the good doc) Fuck. 
The individual needs to take responsibility for their own mental state, imo. People give away this power in good faith. Not such a great idea when shit is backwards and lying straight faced to those that need help. The mental health 'help' centers that I have experienced are not together on the issues either. They know truth when the hear it and see it. Pathological liars will not get far because there is no sympathy. I know people can't change their behaviors to save their lives. This is where the spiritual pursuit becomes necessary, and psychedelic therapy, and the internet/independent research. Knowledge is power. Knowledge is thought and words. New words are better, perhaps. The word is God.
I've been through hell. If it wasn't for my personal drive to better myself... I'd have been fucked. And there are those that are here to fuck you up because they think they know whats best. Right.
I had a family friend just die of cancer not too long ago. Right now if you are dying of cancer you can get psilocybin to treat death anxiety. That is a good doctor. But even with youtube videos, John's Hopkins medicine articles, Wall Street journal clippings, and a stack of books that could change a life... Nobody listened. He's dead. I wanted to give that experience to him before that happened. Nobody listened. Tragedy in my mind. Too new/knew, too radical, too scary?? Shit. You know how it feels I'm sure, as do many others.
Diabasis is the idea and its overlooked.
"...85% of our clients (all diagnosed as severely schizophrenic) at the Diabasis center not only improved, with no medications, but most went on growing after leaving us."
- John Weir Perry
Different schools of thought. I wonder which works better. People are shutting down evolution, god, life, and thought. That shit is... ...you tell me. 
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So I had to do some research on the chemical structures of the medications. One is missing a bonded OH. Different yes. The same?? Nope. I wonder why one doc would prescribe one and not the other. And another doc would prescribe the other and not the one that worked for me when I told him that. Perhaps I just believe some crazy shit. How important in chemistry is this difference?? Any chemists/scientists in the house??
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Invega Side Effects (paliperadone)
Headaches, weight gain, and drowsiness are some of the most common side effects seen in people taking Invega. Side effects of Invega are mostly minor and either don't require treatment or can easily be treated. However, there are a number of more serious Invega side effects that you should report to your healthcare provider. These serious side effects can include severe constipation, anxiety, and high blood pressure.
Invega Side Effects to Report
There are a number of side effects with Invega that you should report to your healthcare provider. These include but are not limited to:
* Signs of diabetes, such as high blood sugar, increased thirst, frequent urination, and/or extreme hunger (see Invega and Diabetes)
* Large or rapid weight gain
* Anxiety
* High blood pressure (hypertension)
* Very severe constipation
* Dizziness or fainting when going from a sitting or lying-down position to standing
* Feelings of internal restless or jitteriness
* Unexplained breast enlargement or breast discharge
* Signs or symptoms of neuroleptic malignant syndrome, which can include:
o A high fever
o Stiff muscles
o Confusion
o Irregular pulse or blood pressure
o An increased heart rate (tachycardia)
o Sweating
o Irregular heart rhythms (arrhythmias)
* Signs of an allergic reaction, including unexplained rash, hives, itching, unexplained swelling, wheezing, or difficulty breathing or swallowing.
SPECIAL WARNING: Along with its needed effects, risperidone can sometimes cause serious side effects. Tardive dyskinesia (a movement disorder) may occur and may not go away after you stop using the medicine. Signs of tardive dyskinesia include fine, worm-like movements of the tongue, or other uncontrolled movements of the mouth, tongue, cheeks, jaw, or arms and legs. Other serious but rare side effects may also occur. These include neuroleptic malignant syndrome (NMS), which may cause severe muscle stiffness, fever, severe tiredness or weakness, fast heartbeat, difficult breathing, increased sweating, loss of bladder control, or seizures. You and your doctor should discuss the good this medicine will do as well as the risks of taking it.
Stop taking risperidone and get emergency help immediately if any of the following side effects occur:
Rare: Convulsions (seizures); difficult or fast breathing; fast heartbeat or irregular pulse; fever (high); high or low blood pressure; increased sweating; loss of bladder control; muscle stiffness (severe); unusually pale skin; unusual tiredness or weakness (severe)
Notify Doctor Immediately:
More Common: Difficulty in speaking or swallowing; inability to move eyes; muscle spasms of face, neck, and back; twisting movements of body
Rare: High body temperature (dizziness; fast, shallow breathing; fast, weak heartbeat; headache; muscle cramps; pale, clammy skin; increased thirst); lip smacking or puckering; low body temperature (confusion, drowsiness, poor coordination, shivering); prolonged, painful, inappropriate erection of the penis; puffing of cheeks; rapid or worm-like movements of tongue; uncontrolled chewing movements; uncontrolled movements of arms and legs
Notify Doctor As Soon As Possible:
More Common: Anxiety or nervousness; changes in vision, including blurred vision; decreased sexual desire or performance; loss of balance control; mask-like face; menstrual changes; mood or mental changes, including aggressive behavior, agitation, difficulty in concentration, and memory problems; problems in urination or increase in amount of urine; restlessness or need to keep moving (severe); shuffling walk; skin rash or itching; stiffness or weakness of arms or legs; tic-like or twitching movements; trembling and shaking of fingers and hands; trouble in sleeping
Less Common: Back pain; chest pain; seborrhea (skin condition that may include dandruff and oily skin); unusual secretion of milk
Rare: Extreme thirst; increased blinking or spasms of eyelid; loss of appetite; talking, feeling, and acting with excitement and activity that cannot be controlled; uncontrolled twisting movements of neck, trunk, arms, or legs; unusual bleeding or bruising; unusual facial expressions or body positions
Withdrawal Side Effects - Notify Doctor:
Some side effects, such as uncontrolled movements of the mouth, tongue, and jaw, or uncontrolled movements of arms and legs, may occur after you have stopped taking this medicine. If you notice any of these effects, check with your doctor as soon as possible.
Other side effects not listed above may also occur in some patients. If you notice any other effects, check with your doctor.
The risks in my mind outweigh the benefits of both... I am on a court ordered LRA again because of anger issues. I have to take these meds. I put my hand through a window. I decompensated into a 'mental illness.' Kay...?? That's the doctor's words. I was juiced on Haldol, then interviewed. I don't remember a thing. The doctors didn't even write in the court documents that I was under the influence of this extremely powerful drug. They working against people on purpose... But trying to help?? No thanks.
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I feel confident that many of the compounds can be used to cause a change.
the change can be enough to offset some bhavior.
Mostly people are medicated to prevent disruptions in their social context.
Some are also actually getting treatment that helps them deal with life - life situations - self understanding - and sometimes the drugs are necessary or help for a while.
medical preferences for drugs are largely fickle and legal regulations are extremely ignorant - my opinion is that only a small percentage of psychiatrists operate from enough intuition and training to effect healing - fewer general doctors have any insight in this area.
it is a bit dismal.
medically speaking.
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weed definetly did not help my friend, infact it made him believe he had satanic powers which he could summon at his will. but his diagnosis is pretty much stable at very schizophrenic, delusions, visual and audio hallucinations, he feels things that arent there.. the whole 9 yards. Very paranoid and dangerous in some cases. very sad to see him like that. im glad your (backfromthedead) condition worked out, hopefully youll inspire those who are mentally ill to work through it
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A big problem that I've noted is that people are made to believe that it is an incurable disease... Only treatable with super powerful thought/life inhibiting 'drugs.'
Right. It's actually just an episode for most people.
And it's a special kind of doctor who would rather cure the cause than treat the symptoms.
My kid brother has taken Zyprexia for 7 years now and seems stable but absent.
When I stayed with him last Xmas, I had a dream that he and I were wading out in a blue lagoon,
but I realized the ocean floor was an asphalt parking lot that cracked and broke away with deep water beneath us.
I said "We have to swim to shore bro." he said "I can't swim!" I said "Float on your back!"
I think anti-psychs are just artificial support and only through surrender can one 'float' and 'swim to shore'.
I sometimes wonder if a heroic dose of Shrooms might suss him but I don't think it's worth the risk.
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: Middleman]
#8588582 - 07/02/08 05:40 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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hopefully youll inspire those who are mentally ill to work through it
That is probably going to be my next move. I feel like filing a lawsuit at the moment for Malpractice and deliberate lies. I have a cousin who is a practicing lawyer in MT.
The snake bitch at 'help' was like... With her tits and eyelashes in my face... *angel voice* Beautiful lady, ahem.
"I thought what you said was fascinating... My son smokes Marijuana and he's Bipolar... That's what chills him out."
I spilled my beans all over and they wrote it up against me.
Minor research with an open mind, sir... I mean ma'am...??
They didn't like all my mushroom secrets... Right.
Like '59 and shit. Should be pretty common knowledge. Medicine is all over it, its what it is.
I'm sick.
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: Middleman]
#8588604 - 07/02/08 05:49 PM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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I had a 6 week battle with it, and a good year of anxiety about it afterwards. I believe that what is occurring is a fundamental restructuring of the ego. It's like breaking a leg to re-set it so it heals properly, instead of hobbling around and favoring the other leg, etc. When coping mechanisms aren't enough, the mind fixes it on it's own, much like cuts heal themselves. But many people get lost in the experience, and many halt the healing with anti-psychotics and anti-depressants, and the people surrounding them force them into roles, which they will very likely play, as they are very suggestable at this point in time. It's the same experience that shaman's have. It's the six weeks in the "desert" that Jesus had. It's a rite of passage for many. It's a damnation for others. It's up to the individual to overcome the fear, explore the experience, and perform the work.
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My kid brother has taken Zyprexia for 7 years now and seems stable but absent.
He might have a hard time coming off that shit... 7 years...?? Yikes. It holds you under, seriously. I was on Zyprexa, Depakote, and lithium at the same time. Sludge in the system. That only lasted a couple months as I went back to burning hard.
IMO, he should get on something more gentle then get on Invega. The doctors will give it away because its so new and the shit works. I didn't have to pay for any of it. I still have like a three month supply at only 3mg per day. Can't even feel it working. Like a good compressor.
More clear mind and no Bullshit. Does he read?? Puzzles and reading and competitive games/sports/debate will stimulate his brain to grow to handle. Zyprexa saps your motivation, bad.
Not that I am a healer of any sort.
This doc might be... He was like... "I've read a study on psilocybin... Maybe God makes it, and it makes God...??" Uh, Yaaauuuh.
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I had a 6 week battle with it, and a good year of anxiety about it afterwards. I believe that what is occurring is a fundamental restructuring of the ego. It's like breaking a leg to re-set it so it heals properly, instead of hobbling around and favoring the other leg, etc. When coping mechanisms aren't enough, the mind fixes it on it's own, much like cuts heal themselves. But many people get lost in the experience, and many halt the healing with anti-psychotics and anti-depressants, and the people surrounding them force them into roles, which they will very likely play, as they are very suggestable at this point in time. It's the same experience that shaman's have. It's the six weeks in the "desert" that Jesus had. It's a rite of passage for many. It's a damnation for others. It's up to the individual to overcome the fear, explore the experience, and perform the work.
great post 
i am somewhat lost in the noise of society, yet found when the noise ceases and all is silent. this is the way i want it, disintegration is the rite of passage for me. past a point, it is definitely not for those dependent on various aspects of culture, and for those affixed to maintaining a solidly constructed mental model.
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I had a 6 week battle with it, and a good year of anxiety about it afterwards. I believe that what is occurring is a fundamental restructuring of the ego. It's like breaking a leg to re-set it so it heals properly, instead of hobbling around and favoring the other leg, etc. When coping mechanisms aren't enough, the mind fixes it on it's own, much like cuts heal themselves. But many people get lost in the experience, and many halt the healing with anti-psychotics and anti-depressants, and the people surrounding them force them into roles, which they will very likely play, as they are very suggestable at this point in time. It's the same experience that shaman's have. It's the six weeks in the "desert" that Jesus had. It's a rite of passage for many. It's a damnation for others. It's up to the individual to overcome the fear, explore the experience, and perform the work.
this is an amazing thought. 
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The reason most doctors don't advocate natural remedies like yourself is because they actually do work! Doctor's get paid thousands upon thousands to push the pharmecuticals products to the patients. Doctors and the pharmacy industries can't make their billions if people start taking natural medicines that can cure their ailments. There's no money their, so they create chemical pills and push them for 30 bucks a pop! If that isn't a drug dealer I don't know what is. These pharmecutical drug are usually more harmful to the people ultimatley too.
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I know, its fucked. Just this winter my doctor wanted me on Paxil and an anti-psychotic... If this fucker doesn't write me a prescription for medical MJ, I'm out. Now I have to see him for another 90 days... Bullshit.
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Advice: If you are suspected as being 'psychotic' keep your mouth closed.
I just saw my great doctor yesterday and he threatened me with Injections every two weeks. Why...??
He said, "Oh my your psychotic, you are back to your old SELF...!!" (perhaps I am in the business of SELF discovery, doc??)
Fuckin worse help than I thought. Everything I talk about can be backed up with minor research. I met with a social worker just the other day and she told me... "Maybe what you believe is Satanic..." Speechless.
Its like they are all right out of college and don't know their ass from their elbow. Ain't havin it.
Question the treatments please.
I was called by another social worker and he specifically said that my doctor told him that I wasn't taking my meds. Bullshit. He said I would have to go back to the hospital if I didn't.
Its not to help. Its punishment. Period. Same with the meds that pull your head apart and destroy everything one has worked on spiritually.
I'm waiting to get a brain scan in Denver then we'll work from there. I've lost all trust in the medical community when concerning the treatment of 'mental illness.'
Question authority, that's all. Stay away from help that doesn't help but actually makes things worse. Peace.
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As someone who suffers from mental illness (bipolar disorder), it is really, truly shit. I haven't had full-blown schizophrenia (only manic and depressive episodes), however at several points in my life I have heard voices in my head, and it is a really disturbing experience. Since my disorders are organic (through a defect in the brain), they're not things I can just 'turn off', so to speak.
Just some thoughts from someone who had to deal with mental illness.
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The reason most doctors don't advocate natural remedies like yourself is because they actually do work! Doctor's get paid thousands upon thousands to push the pharmecuticals products to the patients. Doctors and the pharmacy industries can't make their billions if people start taking natural medicines that can cure their ailments. There's no money their, so they create chemical pills and push them for 30 bucks a pop! If that isn't a drug dealer I don't know what is. These pharmecutical drug are usually more harmful to the people ultimatley too.
This is absolute fucking shit. Things like this make me so angry. Doctors recommend these treatments because they work, and these natural remedies don't. When I was suicidal, Tricyclics and SSRI's brought me back from the brink (several times), and these bullshit 'natural remedies' only burned a hole in my back pocket.
So a big fuck you to those who play with other peoples lives with these quack medicine herbal remedies.
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For we are as tree-trunks in the snow. Apparently they are merely resting on the surface of the snow, and a little push would be enough to knock them over. No, that's not the case for they are firmly attached to the ground. But see, even that is only seemingly the case.
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: Samsa]
#8623025 - 07/11/08 06:34 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Since my disorders are organic (through a defect in the brain), they're not things I can just 'turn off', so to speak.
Right. I feel that I have been maybe misdiagnosed repeatedly... Cause they really, I think, don't know what they are doing... Yet...!!?? I'm on a waiting list to get my brain scanned. This feels like the best option to me at this point. The doctors are of course not really supportive... Go figure.
Did you ever talk to the voices...??
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Re: Schizophrenia [Re: Samsa]
#8623045 - 07/11/08 06:40 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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The reason most doctors don't advocate natural remedies like yourself is because they actually do work! Doctor's get paid thousands upon thousands to push the pharmecuticals products to the patients. Doctors and the pharmacy industries can't make their billions if people start taking natural medicines that can cure their ailments. There's no money their, so they create chemical pills and push them for 30 bucks a pop! If that isn't a drug dealer I don't know what is. These pharmecutical drug are usually more harmful to the people ultimatley too.
This is absolute fucking shit. Things like this make me so angry. Doctors recommend these treatments because they work, and these natural remedies don't. When I was suicidal, Tricyclics and SSRI's brought me back from the brink (several times), and these bullshit 'natural remedies' only burned a hole in my back pocket.
So a big fuck you to those who play with other peoples lives with these quack medicine herbal remedies.
Don't be so judgemental man, Tricyclics and SSRI's may have helped you but they don't nesiserily help everyone.
some pharmacutical company's are pretty sketchy, incentives and stuff for doctors to prescribe their particular drug instead of the doctor deciding what drug would be best.
Some Antipsychotic drugs can cause irreversible damage on the central nervous system but companys downplay the risks.
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