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Offlineintense_cutn
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Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants.
    #8592891 - 07/03/08 07:53 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

why the fuck do they do this? is it to try and force people to the government controlled alcohol/ciggarettes? i mean seriously, this is bullshit.

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The Australian Government has decided to enforce existing regulations on kava importation. The changes will be effective from 25 June 2007 and from 26 June 2007 will apply to all kava imported before or after that date and not yet released into home consumption. These changes are a response to the abuse of kava, which is contributing to negative health and social outcomes in Indigenous communities.





ok, so the indigenous community had found a substitute for alcohol, now i don't know much about kava, but i'm sure it's a fuckload safer than alcohol.

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In July 2002, the TGA's Adverse Drug Reaction Unit (ADRU) received a report of a fatality in Australia, following acute liver failure, associated with a kava-containing medicine.




so they can't even directly link ONE death to kava in australia. but alcohol and ciggarettes contribute to many deaths every year.

i mean fuckin hell, i havn't even tried kava, and probably would have never tried it, but it's just one more fucking thing they try and restrict us from doing.

it's also quite obvious that havn't researched this topic but when i started reading it just made me angry, so if anything i have stated is wrong then let me know.

but it's not even just kava that i'm really talking about, it's all ethno's, which brings me back to the point of being forced onto alcohol and ciggarettes. actually, i shouldn't even say 'forced' because nobody is, but if someone wants to take a mildly stimulating drug, soon they will not be able to have a choice of: salvia, khat, kava, marijuana, and whatever the fuck else (well we already don't).

ok i'm gonna stop ranting now.

have a good day.

:potleaf:  :peace:


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: intense_cutn]
    #8592899 - 07/03/08 07:55 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Don't forget betel.  The little Indian import shop I go to still sells the stuff because no inspector would recognize it... but it's not really legal for them to do so.


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8592904 - 07/03/08 07:58 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

oh and i didn't even mention people having to sell it underground, so then the cops can make more money when they bust them.

i can't believe how worked up i am getting over this topic.


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: intense_cutn]
    #8592926 - 07/03/08 08:10 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

In the USA, they made it illegal to purchase and consume Tryptophan....
Tryptophan is one of the 20 naturally occurring STANDARD amino acids in (all?) plants and animals (food)....
There are high concentrations of this in turkey (that is what makes you sleepy after eating a turkey dinner)....

This one, I will never understand....
As with most other BS politics....


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8592940 - 07/03/08 08:15 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

I think that "drugs" are just an easy target. They need evidence of what great political representatives they have been through out their  last term in office so that they can get reelected. Realistically they are only doing what the people who vote for them want, I bet the majority of the people who post on the shroomery dont ever vote. And certainly not in anything other than a presidential election.


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8592952 - 07/03/08 08:24 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Is one of the 20 standard amino acids considered a "drug"....?
If we banned the other 19 as "drugs", we would no longer be able to lawfully eat, anything....    :shrug:


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8592955 - 07/03/08 08:24 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Kava

:dielaughing:

Why?!


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8592969 - 07/03/08 08:32 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Is one of the 20 standard amino acids considered a "drug"....?
If we banned the other 19 as "drugs", we would no longer be able to lawfully eat, anything....    :shrug:


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Yeah its pretty nuts. Do you vote in every election? There are certainly enough intelligent, or at least reasonable people in this country to change the law. If we would all stop letting little old lady's, and small town country folk decide who represents us it wouldnt even be an issue.

I suggest setting a hippie on fire at your first opportunity.


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8592981 - 07/03/08 08:38 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

I have never voted, and never will....
It is delusional to think that voting makes any difference....
They group things together instead of letting you vote on each individual issue....
At that point, you have to choose the lesser of two evils, instead of voting against the two evils....
It is a scam to make you think that you have some sort of control....
Politics is a scam....

Find me a hippie politician, and I will find me a match....    :grin:


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8593030 - 07/03/08 08:55 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Then what would you do about it, will you idly complain and give up?


Plato was a smart guy.:strokebeard:
"I shall assume that your silence gives consent. "

Personally I think its time for cutting throats, every government has an age limit, and we have passed ours. It appears our senile republic is being ruled from the shadows.


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8593049 - 07/03/08 09:09 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

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Then what would you do about it, will you idly complain and give up?




It is only a crime if you get caught....    :grin:
I haven't given anything up, as I have not gone into battle....
I will live my life in the best way that I can for me, abiding by the rules I agree with, and skirting the ones I don't within my moral compass....
I wasn't really complaining, I was just bringing into view just one law that I know about that doesn't make any sense....    :wink:

The "United States" is really a misnomer....
As, if the states were really "united", there would only be one set of laws to abide by....

My active interest do not include politics, therefor, I do not spend any time on it....    :thumbup:


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: intense_cutn]
    #8593060 - 07/03/08 09:17 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Yeah I don't fully understand the ban on Kava. To the OP: could you provide a link to that article? Last I heard, Kava was banned in the Northern Territory due its abuse by aboriginals (and yes, they are banning alcohol in some places there now) but I can buy kava here in Brisbane.

I wouldn't though, because it'd be a waste of money :grin:


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8593105 - 07/03/08 09:35 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
I have never voted, and never will....
It is delusional to think that voting makes any difference....
They group things together instead of letting you vote on each individual issue....
At that point, you have to choose the lesser of two evils, instead of voting against the two evils....
It is a scam to make you think that you have some sort of control....
Politics is a scam....

Find me a hippie politician, and I will find me a match....    :grin:


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I agree with you except that the voting turn out right now is pretty low, imagine everything was a true democracy, if everyone had to vote on every little thing, nobody would vote because nobody would have the time to vote.


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8593126 - 07/03/08 09:40 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
In the USA, they made it illegal to purchase and consume Tryptophan....
Tryptophan is one of the 20 naturally occurring STANDARD amino acids in (all?) plants and animals (food)....
There are high concentrations of this in turkey (that is what makes you sleepy after eating a turkey dinner)....

This one, I will never understand....
As with most other BS politics....


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L-Tryptophan is an un-scheduled dietary supplement that is available in most protein powders and is not considered a drug but actually regulated as a dietary supplement by the FDA.

L-Tryptophan has never been made illegal to possess or consume in the US.

The FDA began regulating commercial sales of pure tryptophan because it caused Eosinophilia-Myalgia Syndrome (EMS) a serious condition, in some users.


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The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html

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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: Ram Dass]
    #8593147 - 07/03/08 09:46 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

If they broke it down into a monthly thing, and was done in a more convenient way than herding everyone into a line to a building, it could work....
If our votes actually were counted as a vote for individual items, they got rid of the electoral college deal, I would reconsider my political involvement....

If they can get multiple millions of people to vote every week for American Idol (because the votes count, and because it is easy),
they can come up with a better system for political means....    :shrug:
The system being used now is from the Flintstones era....    It is time for the technology to be upgraded to the times....


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8593185 - 07/03/08 09:59 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

I agree. Get rid of the electoral colleges and bring in preference voting so that third parties actually get a say.


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: zouden]
    #8593191 - 07/03/08 10:02 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Third parties are just never gonna happen.  I think a two party system works just fine anyways, as well as any other system would work in today's world.  The electoral college is kind of bullshit though, I don't see why it isn't just popular vote at this point.


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: Chemy]
    #8593204 - 07/03/08 10:05 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

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Chemy said:
L-Tryptophan is an un-scheduled dietary supplement that is available in most protein powders and is not considered a drug but actually regulated as a dietary supplement by the FDA.
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L-Tryptophan was never made illegal to possess or consume.
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The FDA began regulating commercial sales of tryptophan because it caused Eosinophilia-Myalgia Syndrome (EMS) a serious condition, in some users.




Erowid - Tryptophan
""L-Tryptophan was controlled for sale in the United States (for human consumption only) by the FDA in 1989, due to association with a series of deadly and disabling symptoms. See Ceri.com's overview of this. Pure L-Tryptophan has been available in the United States as a veterinary supplement and in other forms not intended for general human consumption.  Since 2001, more and more human-consumption-targeted products have shown up on the U.S. market and the defacto status of L-Tryptophan supplements appears to have changed. 

This may mean that the FDA has softened its prohibition on the sale of L-Tryptophan containing supplements and these may now be considered 'legal' in the US. Importation of L-Tryptophan is still blocked under this rule.""



This has changed since I last looked it up, but it is still unclear, and still regulated....
I remember when this all hit because a family member was using this amino acid as a supplement,
and it got completely banned because a bad batch was manufactured and people were getting sick and dying....
That would be like banning all meat indefinitely when a round of botulism hit the market....    :shrug:


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8593214 - 07/03/08 10:07 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Quote:

Chemy said:
L-Tryptophan is an un-scheduled dietary supplement that is available in most protein powders and is not considered a drug but actually regulated as a dietary supplement by the FDA.
.
L-Tryptophan was never made illegal to possess or consume.
.
The FDA began regulating commercial sales of tryptophan because it caused Eosinophilia-Myalgia Syndrome (EMS) a serious condition, in some users.




Erowid - Tryptophan
""L-Tryptophan was controlled for sale in the United States (for human consumption only) by the FDA in 1989, due to association with a series of deadly and disabling symptoms. See Ceri.com's overview of this. Pure L-Tryptophan has been available in the United States as a veterinary supplement and in other forms not intended for general human consumption.  Since 2001, more and more human-consumption-targeted products have shown up on the U.S. market and the defacto status of L-Tryptophan supplements appears to have changed. 

This may mean that the FDA has softened its prohibition on the sale of L-Tryptophan containing supplements and these may now be considered 'legal' in the US. Importation of L-Tryptophan is still blocked under this rule.""



This has changed since I last looked it up, but it is still unclear, and still regulated....
I remember when this all hit because a family member was using this amino acid as a supplement,
and it got completely banned because a bad batch was manufactured and people were getting sick and dying....
That would be like banning all meat indefinitely when a round of botulism hit the market....    :shrug:


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L-Tryptophan is an un-scheduled dietary supplement that is available in most protein powders and is not considered a drug but actually regulated as a dietary supplement by the FDA.
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L-Tryptophan was never made illegal to possess or consume.
.
The FDA began regulating commercial sales of tryptophan because it caused Eosinophilia-Myalgia Syndrome (EMS) a serious condition, in some users.







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The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html


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Re: Restricting use of mild ethnobotanical herbs/plants. [Re: Chemy]
    #8593255 - 07/03/08 10:20 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

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PhanTomCat said:
This has changed since I last looked it up, but it is still unclear, and still regulated....




It was never "made illegal", yet it was "banned" - the difference is....?


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