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 Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: downforpot]
#8594538 - 07/04/08 11:14 AM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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Go ahead and look at that video you mention. It is not about Al Qaeda. Looks like you made a mistake, kind of like how McCain did...
How is it not about Al Qaeda when he says that Iran is training Al Qaeda? Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6GBdyws5YU
Good job lying.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch2.htm
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Turabi sought to persuade Shiites and Sunnis to put aside their divisions and join against the common enemy. In late 1991 or 1992, discussions in Sudan between al Qaeda and Iranian operatives led to an informal agreement to cooperate in providing support-even if only training-for actions carried out primarily against Israel and the United States. Not long afterward, senior al Qaeda operatives and trainers traveled to Iran to receive training in explosives. In the fall of 1993, another such delegation went to the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon for further training in explosives as well as in intelligence and security. Bin Ladin reportedly showed particular interest in learning how to use truck bombs such as the one that had killed 241 U.S. Marines in Lebanon in 1983.The relationship between al Qaeda and Iran demonstrated that Sunni-Shia divisions did not necessarily pose an insurmountable barrier to cooperation in terrorist operations. As will be described in chapter 7, al Qaeda contacts with Iran continued in ensuing years.52
What makes you think McCain made a mistake?
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8594599 - 07/04/08 11:38 AM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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What makes you think what was true 15 years ago is true now? I would imagine the speculation that makes you think it continues today is the same type of speculation that leads others to believe it does not.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: Redstorm]
#8594614 - 07/04/08 11:44 AM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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Fine. I have no reason to believe McCain made a mistake. I have some reason to believe he was correct. I do not, however, have a beyond a reasonable doubt jury verdict. Neither does anybody else. Nor will one ever exist. So to continue to make positive statements that McCain was mistaken is erroneous at best and dishonest in all likelihood.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8594618 - 07/04/08 11:47 AM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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In the absence of positive evidence, it is prudent to believe he is incorrect in matters with as much widespread importance as a country aiding a terrorist organization.
When dealing with warfare, false positives are obviously not acceptable.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8594629 - 07/04/08 11:51 AM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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What makes you think McCain made a mistake?
Because even his buddy next to him felt that he made a mistake.... Iran does not train Al Qaeda.... everyone knows that except McCain prolly because he has Alzheimer's.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: Redstorm]
#8594641 - 07/04/08 11:56 AM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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In the absence of positive evidence, it is prudent to believe he is incorrect in matters with as much widespread importance as a country aiding a terrorist organization.
When dealing with warfare, false positives are obviously not acceptable.
This is the fallacy of perfect intelligence gathering and a further elucidation of the failed notion that warfare is legally adjudicable and "actionable" is equivalent to "beyond a reasonable doubt". This is a guaranteed way to lose a war.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8594645 - 07/04/08 11:58 AM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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It certainly is easier to win a war against Poland when you make the first strike and then indignantly state that you were struck first.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: downforpot]
#8594650 - 07/04/08 12:00 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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What makes you think McCain made a mistake?
Because even his buddy next to him felt that he made a mistake.... Iran does not train Al Qaeda.... everyone knows that except McCain prolly because he has Alzheimer's.
You continue to make statements you cannot back up. I have provided evidence that there is strong reason to believe that they have trained al-Q and good reason to believe that they continue to do so. You have provided no evidence of anything that actually refutes that other than a benighted belief that their sectarian differences are too great to allow cooperation. This is demonstrably false.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8594653 - 07/04/08 12:02 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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downforpot said:
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What makes you think McCain made a mistake?
Because even his buddy next to him felt that he made a mistake.... Iran does not train Al Qaeda.... everyone knows that except McCain prolly because he has Alzheimer's.
You continue to make statements you cannot back up. I have provided evidence that there is strong reason to believe that they have trained al-Q and good reason to believe that they continue to do so. You have provided no evidence of anything that actually refutes that other than a benighted belief that their sectarian differences are too great to allow cooperation. This is demonstrably false.
You have no evidence that they are currently doing it. None at all. By your logic Germany is still plotting to take over the world since they tried to do it in the past.
It's funny because we invaded Iraq because they were making WMD's.. So even though that was in the past it's okay to believe that they were still doing it even though there was no evidence. LOL. Stop living in the past.
Also, how can I not back up my statements? Are you saying Lieberman never corrected Alzheimer McCain?
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: Redstorm]
#8594656 - 07/04/08 12:02 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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It certainly is easier to win a war against Poland when you make the first strike and then indignantly state that you were struck first.
What's your point? It is utterly irrelevant to my assertion that wars cannot be won employing the niceties of the US criminal justice standard for American citizens. I suppose you would advocate a trial before taking any action. Send in the lawyers. How....silly.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8594659 - 07/04/08 12:04 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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It certainly is easier to win a war against Poland when you make the first strike and then indignantly state that you were struck first.
What's your point? It is utterly irrelevant to my assertion that wars cannot be won employing the niceties of the US criminal justice standard for American citizens. I suppose you would advocate a trial before taking any action. Send in the lawyers. How....silly.
Absurd misrepresentation of my statement.
I am of the belief that one should not base the decision to go to war on intelligence that is fifteen years old. That is just me, though. Others are free to hold that ridiculous view if it gets their jollies off.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: Redstorm]
#8594701 - 07/04/08 12:20 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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I don't think 15 year old intelligence had any relevance at all to Hitler's invasion of Poland. Do you?
Nor do I think that anyone is making any decision to go to war with Iran solely on the basis of their support for terrorists, which support only seems to be in dispute regarding the particulars. Nor is that in any way relevant to the argument I am making, which is that there is no reason whatsoever to conclude that McCain was mistaken in making ties between Iran and al-Q. Because the 9/11 Commission certainly made those same connections regarding the intelligence available at the time of their investigation.
Known to a high degree of certainty
1. Iran is acting in Iraq.
2. Iran has aided and trained al-Q in the past despite their sectarian differences.
3. Al-Q has a subsidiary operating, though not particularly well, in Iraq.
To know those things and yet positively assert that McCain was mistaken is just ludicrous. Along with the lawyers I'd say send in the clowns but I think they're here already and they're running the Dem Party and the Media.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: zappaisgod]
#8594753 - 07/04/08 12:36 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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Fact still remains that there is no proof that Iran is training Al Qaeda right now and sending them to Iraq.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: downforpot]
#8594942 - 07/04/08 01:29 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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Re: McCain = Nutball. [Re: Redstorm]
#8595011 - 07/04/08 01:49 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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I wasn't talking about the woman; I was talking about the shit being shook out of a guerrilla.
I have no idea why he would deny doing it. That is a pretty ballsy act while in a room full of guys with guns.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8595036 - 07/04/08 01:56 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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Iran does not train Al Qaeda....
news papers says they are
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/iranians-training-qaeda-terrorists-to-attack-our/43442/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1534143/Iran-'is-training-the-next-al-Qa'eda-leaders'.html
So Lieberman is wrong?
And both of those articles are written by the same faggot. "Coughlin has been criticized for writing highly controversial unsubstantiated articles that provide justification for British foreign policy, which have subsequently been proven false[5]. He has a history of accepting phoney stories from MI6 and then publishing articles in the name of fabricated sources. He was accused of publishing Black Propaganda[6] during the infamous libel proceedings brought against Daily Telegraph for the allegations he made about Libya's Saif Qaddafi (Colonel Gaddafi’s son)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_Coughlin
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: downforpot]
#8595211 - 07/04/08 02:58 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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So Lieberman is wrong?
And both of those articles are written by the same faggot.
maybe
that's not very nice
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8595230 - 07/04/08 03:05 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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So Lieberman is wrong?
And both of those articles are written by the same faggot.
maybe
that's not very nice
Well they are... The fuckhead is known for being a lying piece of shit.
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: downforpot]
#8595305 - 07/04/08 03:30 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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are you saying most of the mass media isnt?
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Re: Hotheaded McCain denies shaking foreign dignitary like a cheap ragdoll. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8595424 - 07/04/08 04:07 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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Depends. That guy specifically is known for bullshit.
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