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 WakingUp
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 My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice
#8583355 - 07/01/08 08:55 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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I got a shotgun style monotub going, I filled it with hpoo that a pasturized myself (as compared to the stuff i bought from weretheshit) and spawned a bunch of WBS to it, about 6 days ago. This is the first time I used WBS as spawn, previously on my hpoo projects that are working beautifully, I used BRF cakes as spawn.
anyhow, im not quite sure if its contamination or mycelium, though im pretty sure its cobweb mold, its on the top and looks like it, but i didnt want to lift the lid to get a better view. also the poo isnt colonizing with mycelium too well, it is a little bit, but nothing like the progress i saw with my other projects of hpoo spawned with BRF cakes, the WBS in there all looks pretty healthy, they are definaly from what i see not contaminated, its healthy mycelium, and right around them is some colonization of the hpoo, but it hasnt spread far...
i think the poo may have been too wet, here the thread about this project:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8563482/an/0/page/0, but I stuck a bunch of dry verm in the bottom so it could suck some up, it doesnt seem too wet now by the looks of it, anyhow what do you guys think i should do, spray some peroxide or something ? sorry this post isnt more organized and senseful im really tired and depressed, long night, beautiful girlfriend broke up with me, havent been hurt like this in a long time, :-(
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Mad River
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: WakingUp]
#8583503 - 07/01/08 10:00 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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I think you have your terminology mixed up. A monotub is not just a FC, it's a whole methodology. There is no such thing as a shotgun monotub. If you're using a shotgun style FC, you're not doing a monotub.
At least that's my understanding, and of course I'm still a noob.
I know this doesn't answer your concerns, but I just like to clarify things like this that can confuse noobier noobs! 
Good luck!
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just me
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: Mad River]
#8583591 - 07/01/08 10:42 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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never seen poo in a shotgun FC b4...
i would think that'd be begging for contams.
all kinds of funk would be getting to you uncolonized poo...
not a great technique.
a MONOtub tho would be ideal
like you said, probably your water content.
what ratio did you use on spawn/substrate?
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jazzillion
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: just me]
#8583617 - 07/01/08 10:52 AM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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I think it is a monotub, but like MadRiver said he got his terminology wrong.
From your prior post saying that it stunk as bad as it did, the shit might have been too fresh and not leeched and/or composted well enough. Also, the excess moisture can be a big problem with colonization. You should have let it dry out and brought it back up to field capacity if it was that moist. I guess just see what happens for now. You might want to remove it from the proximity of your successful bins in the mean time.
Sorry to hear about your gf, that sucks. But, hey, life is too short, and everything is fine, just always fine.
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WakingUp
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: jazzillion]
#8584300 - 07/01/08 02:48 PM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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ok, lol, well its a shotgun gig, i got a shitload of lil holes in it
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just me
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: WakingUp]
#8586638 - 07/02/08 02:25 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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so holes on all 6 sides?
so that means holes on and around the poo?
nothing covering them?
youre beggin for contamination man.
when you spawn, and wait for you substrate to colonize, you do so in a sealed environment.
most ppl doing real monotubs dont even put their polyfil in till AFTER colonization.
think of it as your brf cakes, you didnt stick them in you closet and take the lid off...you had them closed up to colonize. and once the substrate was colonized its a LOT safer to introduce to open air...
can you put up a picture of what youre working with
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jazzillion
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: just me]
#8587548 - 07/02/08 11:49 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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just me said:
so holes on all 6 sides?
so that means holes on and around the poo?
nothing covering them?
youre beggin for contamination man.
when you spawn, and wait for you substrate to colonize, you do so in a sealed environment.
most ppl doing real monotubs dont even put their polyfil in till AFTER colonization.
think of it as your brf cakes, you didnt stick them in you closet and take the lid off...you had them closed up to colonize. and once the substrate was colonized its a LOT safer to introduce to open air...
can you put up a picture of what youre working with
Are you sure about this? If people don't put their polyfill until after colonization, how do you drill the holes without getting plastic shavings all over your sub? I don't know if his holes are actually where the sub is, but RR doesn't even recommend polyfill, as he says it allows for gas exchange but not solid fae. He says to just leave the holes open. I also think WakingUp is letting it colonize in a closed of sterile area, which can help prevent problems. Let me know what you think, as I plan on a monotub for my next grow.
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: jazzillion]
#8591217 - 07/03/08 11:17 AM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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well if waking up would get back to us, itd clear a lot of shit up...
put tape over the holes until its colonized. then take it off and plug in your polyfil. but youre right, putting the polyfil in first probably wouldnt be anything but beneficial to the colonization...sooooo 
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Mad River
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: just me]
#8592281 - 07/03/08 04:46 PM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
just me said:
most ppl doing real monotubs dont even put their polyfil in till AFTER colonization.
Mmmm... my research does not bear this out. Either that or I am confused. Can you offer any examples?
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: Mad River]
#8592369 - 07/03/08 05:05 PM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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Like myself, I made the holes and taped it up during the stage you let the substrate colonize. After the substrate fully colonized, I removed the black trash bag, that covered the 45 gal tub, and removed the tape, that covered the holes. For filtering the air or blocking airborn stuff, I am using micropore tape over the holes. For allowing light to come in, I cut out a "window" opening on the lid for the tub and use plexiglass to protect anything from going through the opening.
I do remember reading members leaving the holes unblocked; after the substrate fully colonizes, it would have a higher resistance against contamination.
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abitavenger
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: the_owl]
#8592522 - 07/03/08 05:51 PM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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the_owl said:
Like myself, I made the holes and taped it up during the stage you let the substrate colonize. After the substrate fully colonized, I removed the black trash bag, that covered the 45 gal tub, and removed the tape, that covered the holes. For filtering the air or blocking airborn stuff, I am using micropore tape over the holes. For allowing light to come in, I cut out a "window" opening on the lid for the tub and use plexiglass to protect anything from going through the opening.
I do remember reading members leaving the holes unblocked; after the substrate fully colonizes, it would have a higher resistance against contamination.
so your saying during colonization when the substrate is succeptable to contams taking it over before the mycelium does its a better idea to leave holes in the tub making it open to contams yet it gives it higher resistance to contamination?
am i really high or does this not make sense? someone please shed some light on this..
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: abitavenger]
#8592529 - 07/03/08 05:53 PM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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Colonizing requires a high CO2 environment.
So blocking off the holes in the tub while the substrate colonizes will increase speeds and help to induce pinning once you start to allow FAE.
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: Bubba McMushies]
#8592602 - 07/03/08 06:17 PM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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Holy crap. Okay, shotgun style tubs were meant for cakes and pans. Not large substrates. If you have lots of little holes in your tub you need to take that large substrate and scrap it. Then fill the shotgun tub with about 4-6 inches of wet perlite and fruit some pans in it. Otherwise, get a NEW tub and make a monotub which generall has only two holes in it measuring about 1-2 inches a across. And you leave it alone for 2-4 weeks to fruit. Look up monotubs for some examples.
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Re: My first shotgun monotub, not doing do well, possible contamination, need advice [Re: abitavenger]
#8592873 - 07/03/08 07:45 PM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
abitavenger said:
Quote:
the_owl said:
Like myself, I made the holes and taped it up during the stage you let the substrate colonize. After the substrate fully colonized, I removed the black trash bag, that covered the 45 gal tub, and removed the tape, that covered the holes. For filtering the air or blocking airborn stuff, I am using micropore tape over the holes. For allowing light to come in, I cut out a "window" opening on the lid for the tub and use plexiglass to protect anything from going through the opening.
I do remember reading members leaving the holes unblocked; after the substrate fully colonizes, it would have a higher resistance against contamination.
so your saying during colonization when the substrate is succeptable to contams taking it over before the mycelium does its a better idea to leave holes in the tub making it open to contams yet it gives it higher resistance to contamination?
am i really high or does this not make sense? someone please shed some light on this..
My apologies for not clearly describing how I go about using the monotub. I did not know what a shotgun tub was exactly; I assumed "shotgun tub" was some sort of design of a monotub.
I use masking and duct tape to block off the holes while the bulk substrate and the grain spawn (rye berries on my end) are doing their tango. I also cover the whole tub with a black trash bag so that I can cover the window I have on the lid until the substrate fully colonizes.
After full colonization of the substrate, I remove the trash bag and remove the tape from the holes to replace it with micropore tape. I also case my substrate with cococoir/vermiculite at 50/50 ratio, but sometimes I just add a bit more vermiculite to be cute.
I do not know about you abitavenger, but I'm high and I hope you are, too!
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