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 The_Bringer
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 Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: zouden]
#8569758 - 06/27/08 02:37 AM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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War is inevitable because it is in our nature to destroy ourselves. Point blank.
Edited by The_Bringer (06/27/08 02:38 AM)
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: TameMe]
#8570242 - 06/27/08 08:10 AM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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I tend to think that 'people' just send others on their way. Its a choice. They might get burned and never make that mistake again.
Some throw up Ms. Spears smashed meat and say chase that... On your way, sir.
Misdirection is a bitch.
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: The_Bringer]
#8570322 - 06/27/08 08:49 AM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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The_Bringer said:
War is inevitable because it is in our nature to destroy ourselves. Point blank.
That's a hell of an assertion. Care to back it up?
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The_Bringer
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: dblaney]
#8571220 - 06/27/08 02:19 PM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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dblaney said:
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The_Bringer said:
War is inevitable because it is in our nature to destroy ourselves. Point blank.
That's a hell of an assertion. Care to back it up?
History. Throughout the history of our species we've been programmed to destroy ourselves, to destroy each other, and to destroy our planet. It goes against millions of years of violence and evolution to try to suppress that legacy, by clinging to the belief or making a false assertion that those days are behind us. Or that the time we lived in warranted such action(s).
Why else would we all be so fascinated with turning murder and war into Evening News stories? We are a culture who celebrate the violence and bathe in the blood created by it.
There is no hope for this species.
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: The_Bringer]
#8571369 - 06/27/08 03:04 PM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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If we are programmed to destroy ourselves, others & the planet, we've been surprisingly ineffective. (The population is about to hit 7 billion.) 
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: Veritas]
#8571383 - 06/27/08 03:08 PM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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Veritas said:
If we are programmed to destroy ourselves, others & the planet, we've been surprisingly ineffective. (The population is about to hit 7 billion.)
The population is what is contributing to destroying the planet. Watch what happens in another 30-50 years. And when the planet is destroyed, how will we continue on?
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: The_Bringer]
#8571403 - 06/27/08 03:14 PM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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Ah, I see, it's all a clever plan to eventually destroy ourselves and others. In the meantime, we'll go on having babies, finding cures for diseases, volunteering our time to help others & exploring alternatives to destroying the planet. No one will ever suspect! 
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: Veritas]
#8571435 - 06/27/08 03:25 PM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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Veritas said:
Ah, I see, it's all a clever plan to eventually destroy ourselves and others. In the meantime, we'll go on having babies, finding cures for diseases, volunteering our time to help others & exploring alternatives to destroying the planet. No one will ever suspect!
I get your point, and love the sarcasm but honestly. You don't see anything possibly wrong with human population increasing by nearly 250,000 people per day, every day? You see nothing wrong with the entire human population having tripled in the last 72 years?
And finding cures for diseases? What diseases? The last disease mankind ever cured was fucking polio, 46 years ago!
There's no cures on the horizon for A.I.D.S., Cancer, Alzheimer's, M.S, etc... Because there's no money to be made in cures, the money is in the treatment. Make people pay out the ass for medicine that will (hopefully) prolong their life expectancy while living with a dibilitating illness.
If you can get someone to buy a bottle of medicine once a month, for $100, you can count on $1200 a year from that single individual. Multiply that by the amount of people infected with horrible diseases and you're talking billions of dollars. Come up with a cure? Everyone buys it once, then where does the Government get it's money from?
As for exploring alternatives to destroying the planet, I'm not talking about Global warming here. I'm talking about massive food drought, massive deforrestation, lower immunity, etc......
Edited by The_Bringer (06/27/08 03:31 PM)
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: The_Bringer]
#8571471 - 06/27/08 03:35 PM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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you have heard the term self-fulfilling prophecy haven't you?
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: TameMe]
#8571494 - 06/27/08 03:42 PM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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you have heard the term self-fulfilling prophecy haven't you?
Absolutely. Highly interesting take on the subject at hand. No doubt the world is a ripe basin for paranoia and fear. I may have bought into it myself, or maybe you guys are blind.
One of us is right, and one of us is wrong. But nobody knows who......yet.
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: The_Bringer]
#8571524 - 06/27/08 03:49 PM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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What if we all took on a less fearful view on war....and accepted it for what it is. Ever read the Bhagavad-Gita?
A third option to your winner-loser situation.
I think we could designate that big sand box over there as a playground for war(sounds bad...but I'd rather contain the fire than let it spread).
Edited by TameMe (06/27/08 03:51 PM)
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: The_Bringer]
#8571552 - 06/27/08 03:56 PM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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The best "cure" for disease is to never develop one in the first place. Research during the past decade has resulted in an incredible amount of information regarding lifestyle changes which can prevent and reverse disease.
Yes, I see the population increase as a problem. We will definitely need to make some major changes in order to avoid negative consequences. Will we make these changes? Maybe.
My sarcasm is in response to your one-sided POV on humanity. Yes, we are violent--we are also gentle and kind and helpful. Yes, we are short-sighted--we are also pro-active, creative and innovative. Yes, we do engage in war--we also engage in peace, negotiation, diplomacy, love and nurturing.
IMO you watch the evening news too much. It presents a sensationalized, negatively-skewed version of humanity and world events. It's easy to accept this version as factual when it is in your face on a daily basis. Try taking a break from the news. Talk to a few people, volunteer at a few non-profit organizations, smell some flowers, take a hike in the woods.
It's important to recognize that the news would be more-accurately called "the BAD news." Brainwashing ourselves with this propaganda is hazardous to our emotional health.
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: The_Bringer]
#8572352 - 06/27/08 08:17 PM (2 months, 9 days ago) |
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And finding cures for diseases? What diseases? The last disease mankind ever cured was fucking polio, 46 years ago!
You're ignorant and wrong. Deaths due to disease are decreasing and life expectancy is increasing. How do you explain that? What is it that you think scientists do?
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: The_Bringer]
#8573630 - 06/28/08 07:55 AM (2 months, 8 days ago) |
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It's all good either way.
You're alive now. What you gonna do about that? The future is really not our business.
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Re: Is war inevitable? If so, why? [Re: dblaney]
#8578745 - 06/29/08 09:00 PM (2 months, 7 days ago) |
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Why are small, violent conflicts inevitable?
Any usurpation is an inherently violent act. Ergo, when one child steals another child's tricycle, that is arguably a small, violent conflict, even if the second child is not yet aware of the theft. I would be a utopian fool to suppose that no such usurpations will henceforth take place. That would take either the elimination of the human species or some magical transformation in the nature of all humans, and I do not believe in magic.
War on a grand scale, however, I maintain is not inevitable.
Yours,
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"The market is not a jumble of distorted and unrelated events. Instead, it is a highly complex but orderly and efficient mechanism which provides a means for each person to realize the maximum possible value and satisfaction commensurate with his abilities and resources" (Linda & Morris Tannehill, 1970).
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