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 Chronic777
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Stay aware of the intuition/feeling "I Am" and your mind will merge with the source.
The whole universal creation is "I Am".
Everything that comes after is an identification of "I Am this" or I Am that".
This identification gives a sense of being bound, the "I" falls into attachment with name & form then eventually exausts its individual expression which is when it starts thirsting for absolute knowledge of all names & forms, when this thirst seems unquenchable the "I" then awakens to its true nature & merges back into the source.
No outside knowledge of absolute truth can bring about satisfaction as it will be impermanent & forgotten.
Nothing stays with you, everything is lived & experienced then wiped away to return to emptiness.
No thing stays with the awareness you are, so why get attached in the first place?
Stay as the awareness, watch I Am & all its myriad forms of identifications & realize you are before it all as you are aware of it all.
All science & spirituality is poetic but neither has lasting truth, everything is created & destroyed, only pure awareness remains
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"Stay as the awareness, watch I Am & all its myriad forms of identifications & realize you are before it all as you are aware of it all."
Yeeah. eh
This makes perfect sense. The problem that comes to me is not in identifying, but by nature being attached to certain emotions and even being aware of this attachment.
I think thats the problem; many gurus, cant be understood because they come from long periods of solitude, non-communal living, ie. they dont live in cities and interact the way you have to in cities.
In this the gurus cannot give us much, because their information works only for their experience.
Thats the biggest difficulty, for me, living in this way of life, forces you into social ideals that after repitition come full force in our lives and we slip into a deep forgetfullness.
Ie. At work you have to follow social rules...do it or good luck, you wont find a job easily.
I want to join an intentional community or make one of what knowledge i have. Its pivitol to experiencing the sort of experience we want...lets face it, we cant transcend all this attachment, emotional repression, angers of hatred, in this world, in our way of life, it simply is impossible, without losing touch with the thing that provie us with sustenance....its a trade off, with the spoils usually and mostly heading towards less wonderful and limiting states of experience.
Like i dont think it will ever be possible for all of us to experience no sense of shame, guilt, embarassment, wearing no clothes in public...no matter how much we imagine we can, we wont be able to experience this nothingness, the bliss of it in public and trully i dont believe one can experience that true form of bliss without having a liberated sense about their natural self...its just not possible...i look at mooji for example and see a great amount of wisdom pouring out of him, but practically speaking, he would still emotionall react in the ways his forefathers did, except that he would be aware of it....hypotheitically. These things are much to strong and although what you say is a wonderful way to gather what we know to be real, it lacks this fundemental aspect, it lacks connection with the world that billions of repressed awarenesses, experience on a day to day...here here.
Its good to see you back here, i enjoy speaking with people at times, who can atleast know that the paths laid out for us to walk by our society, are destructive, i share that with most here.
C you then
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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.
And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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I think thats the problem; many gurus, cant be understood because they come from long periods of solitude, non-communal living, ie. they dont live in cities and interact the way you have to in cities.
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JoseLibrado said:
Thats the biggest difficulty, for me, living in this way of life, forces you into social ideals that after repitition come full force in our lives and we slip into a deep forgetfullness.
Forgetfullness is the only thing that causes us so much misery, when you fully recognize that you are not bound by name & form theres a feeling of infinity and when you come back into identification it doesn't have as much power as it had before, obviously as i sit here & type this i am here in this body thinking these thoughts but theres a deeper awareness that this is not what i am, im only the awareness of it and awareness is not an object that can be found. Everything else appears on the screen of awareness coming & going.
I could never be depressed again after what i've experienced through satsang with Mooji, i still identify with the body but there have been times where ive clearly seen that this body is not what i am, its only an identification that "I Am" has taken on, temporarily.
When the clear seeing happens and theres no identity the bliss thats felt is incredible, its like feeling pleasure & pain at the same time but with the highest bliss, i've tried to understand it with the mind & its impossible, but thats because any thought captured is about an object and the absolute is not an object its the subject. Can awareness be described? Imo it just is
Id really recommend Ramana Maharshi's books, self enquiry is so easy when you persist at it, simply being open to truth & not needing it in neat concepts ive found is enough, to simply state to the universe "I am ready for the mystery to be revealed" open hearted & sincerely burning for truth will bring it to you.
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JoseLibrado said:
I think thats the problem; many gurus, cant be understood because they come from long periods of solitude, non-communal living, ie. they dont live in cities and interact the way you have to in cities.
In this the gurus cannot give us much, because their information works only for their experience.
I would have to disagree, those connected to the "real" world find it much easier to understand.
It doesnt only work for them (gurus) because they have the experience, its just that we arent open enough to comprehend.
Gurus can give 10 times what we can, we just dont understand.
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I believe that this is true, remembering is what keeps us alive, we wither into hatred and guilt without it.
What I have noticed is that there are factors to my forgetfullness that have only to do with my surroundings, things that I have very little influence over, namely others thoughts, intentions and emotions - much less preconditioning, forgetfullness is built into our preconditioning.
Its just that, when you live with people who are in complete forgetfullness, people who have no notion about their lives being controlled by primitive and destructive beliefs, we tend to bring our belief structure towards theirs, so that we can live harmoniously with them, i see it as a form of adaptation that we begin with in early life.
Now I am not saying we do this conciously, in fact this is exactly why i said before, i have little control over it, we do it, atleast I do it, at an unconcious level. Our minds are ultmiatly adaptating to situations, to escape any pain. From a young age, we adapt beliefs because of this, if you've been around children you will know, most base their beliefs on what others say, for reasons they cannot give....this seems to be a nature of some sort and it makes more sense when you consider that when you adopt beliefs of those around you it is much easier to live harmoniously with them, on the subtle emotional and body language level. Laughter for example, is based in an idea of truth and people who you live with dont enjoy not having someone laugh with them, as most people wouldnt, it just makes you see that you do not live well with whoever your with.
This is a critical thing that mooji does not take into account, i remember this one video of this girl talking about how she gets emotions from people....he answered with dont think much of it...he cant really understand because he most likely is always surrounded by people with non normalized beliefs about life, there is a dynamic at work that he does and cannot comprehend because of his way of life.
For example, just imagine how different it would be to live with a group of monks or people who believe and contemplate their world, for a year, as compared to living with 17-22 year old kids who have never question their lives and belief system of the majority, who follow the majority through feeling and who live destructively and in denial about their destruction upon themselves, the earth and others...much less live in denial of all their fears, like most people in our world that we are surrounded around do.
This is why i love to be alone now, or with people whom i trully connect with in terms of things like intentions and focuses. Still its hard, i am forced to live with the people i could call family but choose to acknowledge as no different than others, in regards to identity, and its extremly difficult they sit and gawk at me, they attack me for my fearlessness, they cannot embrace what i change into because they are trapped by their inability to bring love into their existence. This i must leave, but right now I cant, Money is a nessecity, and i plan to save enough so that i can leave this way of life within 5 years. Its a trade off, that right now leaves this existence in a extreme states of experience, lol, anger, then hatred, to pure love and nothingsness, everythingness, its funny but im wearing out of personal energy, the masses are self-sufficient in their energy, I cant be, so they win mostly, still i will always have knowledge to guide me back once again, ill never loose my road map, that easily, thought some key points will get lost in the sand.
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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.
And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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"Gurus can give 10 times what we can, we just dont understand."
Giving relies on the person recieving and being able to recieve as does the person giving and being able to give.
I cant give you what you cant understand. I can't give you what doesnt fit in with the way you live.
I am simply giving the reasons why they cant give us all they have, simply because what they have does not correspond with what we can recieve. If the peieces dont fit the puzzle, it doesnt matter if a person gives you one or a billion peices, they all worthless, until the puzzle changes. I am sure a monks info would be great while living in a monestary. But will it work the same way when im with my family? Nop....I have seen this in a friend, who prior to the school year lived in a monestary. His existence was very different from just living in school university, after just one month, and i know this guy was not trully attempting to forget, its just that his mind adapts and tends to take on the emotional pattern of its surroundings making his emotional tendencies not those of the ones he experience in the monestary
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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.
And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Haha, let me re-phrase, Gurus can apply 10 times the ammount we can, we just dont understand 
I quite like your analogies though Jose
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I really enjoyed reading this. It definately rings with me.
I thought it was really nicely articulated.
Its interesting to note that qabalistically speaking Eheieh, which is Hebrew for "I am", is the highest divine name as it pertains to Kether on the Tree of Life. Also, Kether is the first emanation from the Ain, which is "Nothing".
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JoseLibrado said:
This is a critical thing that mooji does not take into account, i remember this one video of this girl talking about how she gets emotions from people....he answered with dont think much of it...he cant really understand because he most likely is always surrounded by people with non normalized beliefs about life, there is a dynamic at work that he does and cannot comprehend because of his way of life.
mooji lives in the heart of brixton which is one of the roughest parts of london!
when you are open the guru helps you, the Self does nothing but help itself to awaken, simply be open to it 
mooji says in reply to her "dont think too much..." because its when we interpret what is happening we fall into struggle, but it all mental contructs, just simple thoughts our attention gives power to, when we let life happen its amazingly graceful, even the most hurtful feeling if felt fully turns into bliss
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Shnezbit said:
I really enjoyed reading this. It definately rings with me.
I thought it was really nicely articulated.
Its interesting to note that qabalistically speaking Eheieh, which is Hebrew for "I am", is the highest divine name as it pertains to Kether on the Tree of Life. Also, Kether is the first emanation from the Ain, which is "Nothing".
Thanks, some people find my articulation condescending for some reason, i couldn't mean it that way at all if i tried! "I Am" is the first, but we are aware of i am, before even the first!
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"mooji lives in the heart of brixton which is one of the roughest parts of london!"
He probally doesnt work a 9-5 at an office though, with social formality and with people who dont let life happen.
I cant agree with what your saying, mooji spends his time experiencing a practicing his words most of his time, with people who are surely not compelltly walking 'asleep' in your words and with different beliefs, the common beliefs, in my words.
Although your sentence makes it all look very simple, its not always this way.
"when we let life happen its amazingly graceful, even the most hurtful feeling if felt fully turns into bliss"
The trouble is that when we are surrounded by people that have no notion of letting life happen, we tend to go along with them, for adaptation purposes, to escape pain. In any relationship, there is always compromise, of all things from feelings to thoughts.
Its just to difficult for mooji to understand that girl too, she is much more sensitive than him, mooji has. I believe we all have psychic abilities and believe me, when a person is very sensitive to emotional energy, any energy really, one person with a strong mental focus can easily throw you into living life in a way that we can understand is destructive and cyclic.
I am a sensative actually. From the looks of it, Mooji cant understand this that much, because he doesnt know the intensity of it, he cant experience it.
I believe we are awareness, it makes sense, what i also believe and am trying to come to terms with(its very difficult to accept that the people you always knew and enjoyed to relate to, feel awakward to be around) is that people change, in terms of the way you experience them when you change your beliefs about the world and especially your intentions for living. Can you understand what i mean brother? Can you feel what i say yet, maybe think back to rides on the bus from wherever you live in the city or a time you felt a really weird bad feeling and you turn quickly to see someone staring at you in a mischevious way?
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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.
And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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I just got the thought that awareness is not really synonymous with letting things happen for me. It involves awareness that my thought involve themselves in how things happen and how i feel about them...its like instead of being a passive awareness, we come to be actively aware of our thoughts and the reasons for our emotions, instead of just acting on them, we recognize their cause and retrieve something to make a desired effect, like a game with multi different colors to choose from, until you get your own paint mixing canister 
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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.
And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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I hear you man but i would have to disagree with saying mooji doesn't understand the intensity of pain etc as in his personal life if you read his bio alot of stuff happened to him like his son dying etc...he is human too im sure he understands strife, pain etc...
Whenever asked about pain & suffering he says they are only bad if we don't learn anything from them. Id agree 
I know this may come of as disciple defending guru but hes seriously so compassionate to peoples pain, thats why he gives satsang!
Concerning awareness id say just stay as the passive neutral awareness, keep your focus on the unchaning awareness that is ever present. I cant say more about it but simply "stay as the awareness" this is the best advice i received in my life
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Fuck it is so hard to communicate with people, i swear but its serious, its so hard to understand what we want from each others perspective...dammit.
I would have to agree, it seems like to say that Mooji feels no compassion, he would have to see others as different to him, but he ultimatly believes that we are all this awarneess and he will logically feel compassion.
However, i wasnt talking about him being that way - i was talking about the ability for humans to like give someone emotion, give someone hate, love, anything we can imagine by simply focusing our intentions to that.
For example, today i (i dont think this is coincidence) had tried to talk to my pool life gaurd about how they cannot ban my younger brother from the pool. Its against the rules, they can kick him out but they need a reason(anything that endangers the security of the people swimming in the pool). Well, I got extremly angry, really, like i have no been for a while, and I began shouting very loud trying to get across to the life gaurd and hoping she had what it would take to recieve it, that there is no law that sais he is to be banned for a period longer than a day and this already happened a week ago...we pay for the damn pool, if there is not problem immidiately there is no reason to kick someone out, unless extensive complaints are given and serious police type crimes are done. Well, long story short, my brother left the pool, i stayed even though she wanted me to leave, i refused and stayed for a swim for a half hour....
What i noticed was that she was attacking me emotionally, indeed i think she still is, unknowingly.By attack i mean transfering hate over to a person, intentionally, giving you that weak feeling in the legs and a overall sense of shittyness, im sure you know what i mean if you have ever argued with someone. Well, here's where it gets interesting, I was in the pool playing with some kids and I felt the emotional presence of an emotion i wanted nothing to do with, I instinctually look a specific direction, only to make eye contact with her, the life gaurd. I told her, please stop looking at me, stop directing your intention towards me, it makes me feel bad, like my heart is immersed in fear....
Well it would not stop, and I began to use my intentions against hers, low and behold the feeling began to dissipitate, the only problem was that i was the only GUY in the pool so everyone else in the pool, especially this fucking old lady, kept directing their intentions towards me...man was that ever the most annoying thing ever....damn holy, shit fuck jdhfkjsfoss olfiosflidsflis fjlfjoi.
FUCK.... alrite back.
oh man, the funny thin to is that this lady knew exactly what she was doing, indeed i felt her saying to me through feelings and encouraging me to feel a specific emotion that comes from believing that we are not the same, that we can be put to blame for our doings...it was like no matter how hard i tried to believe that stuff that would bring me the feelings i deserve, i couldnt, i was flabergasted and still am and this is what im talking about bro...we cant control it and these things effect us heavily. What i mean to say is that within this physical experience there are things we cannot control, there are things that influence us and we need power over them....a person can push you constantly and you may be fine for a while and be able to handle them by thinking about them in a way that doesnt anger you...but from my experience its not like this and the energy and emotional patterns that the people we are around are, eventually push us, because we lack full awareness about living in community with people with different beliefs...indeed very different beliefs....
Im not trying to bring anything you have said to a stand still, all i am noticing is that we cant control everything, even staying as the awareness, because our awareness can be distorted and is, from the interactions of our daily lives and the other people we live with.
Actually, i remember this other time at work, on the soccer field, as a soccer referee, that this parent who was angry at what he thought i was responsible for, began to try and instill those emotions into me(BTW im really experienced in this energy dynamics because of this job, it forces you to adapt and learn about what is happening because ill tell you the truth, your mind can only take you so far when it comes to staying with whatever you believe and not staying with others)This guy really had a lot of anger towards me and wow, was i ever pissed as well, my legs were really weak and shaking, i could hardly breath very well, and this started right when he was looking at me...now you could say i was afraid of what he was thinking about me, but honestly...nop, ive been doing this stuff for 9 years at the time, i was comfortable and could notice distortions easily. Well long story short, i was having a dream and this ghost came up to me in the dream and tried to paralyze me, sleep paralysis as many would say, though i experienced much differently, i can actually tell when the ghosts are trying to paralyze me and i can fight it, by doing this one instinctual sort of thing where i raise me energy and emotional vibration to a higher level.....well i figured it was this that this guy was using against my emotions to gain power over my existence and I basically CHARGED up, like massively, and then i just put the energy to hurt the guy, around his chest area, like to scramble his circuits and take influence of this existence back, and i ruined him....like complelty, his eyes were tired, he compleltly was drained out of energy, when i looked back at hime...i was doing this without even looking into his eyes, so yeah his energy was ruined, which i felt pride for doing then i realized that i didnt do it, then i realized that i did my best and i felt at peace again. But yeah this helped me alot and he eventually HAD to leave, he couldnt stay there, he had to leave and this all happened minutes after i did this...in a way i felt bad, but not really now...i did my best.
So chronic, i just would like to notice that there is alot more going on between people than meets the eyes, it is very influential in our existence and because of this, i concluded that monks do not face the same dynamics as everyday westerners and fail alot in trying to give us something good because they miss the societal component of energy dynamics and/or emotional patterns...This is probally why although there are so many books out there from really studied monks and dedicated people like mooji, it lacks a large component that need recognition if we are to trully experience what we seek to create as an experience.
I feel this way now, because i think about how many books ive read and what they taught me but there was literally something missing from them and incredible difficulties in living their messages that came from this realm of experience, i know now.
WOOH long one peace
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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.
And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
Edited by JoseLibrado (06/27/08 11:44 AM)
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Actually one thing that rings closely with this writing was the satsang where the girl asks him about this energy transfer from people at work...
At the end of the video was a most interesting thing - mooji, the guy who doesnt believe in the 'I" or "MY" eventually started saying "This is my way of..." "This is the way I look at it" And the truth about it was,judging by the expression on his face, that he really had no control over saying that and feeling that, something i was sure the girl asking the question connecting with him, was believing and feeling, with utmost certainty.
Thats the video.....fast forward to the last part of it, literally like the end of it, is where mooji begins to talk about it.
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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.
And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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watch the one where mooji is in a orange shirt.
It looks like him and a person to his right that he keeps looking at, are having difficulties merging qualities, it seems like there is a sort of negative quality to something specifically to his right....pretty cool actaully. this happens at the middle btw and after a good part in the middle its difficult to listen to him because he is trying to fix it with words not intention.
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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.
And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Chronic777
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alot of what you seemed to talk about was creating certain experiences & emotions, alot of what ive discovered through mooji is not trying to create any experience, to see whats here when we don't try to do anything, to recognize what doesn't ever change, then everything just kinda, happens, with or without my intention or interpretation
we will obviously still use term like "I went" "I did" "I do..." because thats just normal, but theres no belief in the I being an actual identity, everytime i say I now its like it throws me back on the Self & i watch what i say & do instead of being lost in the dream of identification
its really hard to talk about and on the boundary of words thats why i say just stay as the awareness of everything as thats the only constant throughout the changeful
thats what all seeing is, to eventually try to find who the see-er is
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"Now go and throw this emptiness also!"
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I understand what your saying, this makes sense to a certain extent, though. We still want to be around people, this is something that occurs and it shows a big problem in not believing in 'I'. You cannot just live in community with people without a sense of it, atleast even within the knowledge that it is ultimatly limited. For example, yes we can stay with the awareness that there is no 'i' but who is going to grow the crops, who is going to teach the children and in which way shall we raise the children? It seems inescable to try and create your reality, its intergral to what makes our experience reflective and what makes us talk.
Without a sense of I we will be lost when it comes to the future, now you could live like an animal does, with no sense of 'i', but when it comes down to it, is it better, does it work? Can we think within a lacking sense of I and let things happen when we are hungry, when the world is running out of resources? No, not at all actually...I believe we are creators of our reality and we flex this without choice, by nature...for example, you were living in a different reality before you met mooji and what words he had attained through living. You can probally verify that by reflecting on your experience previous the e-pattern, emotional patterns.
I guesse what makes sense to ask instead of poking at what i have extracted as your intentions is ; what make you believe your not creating reality when you are attempting to stay with an awareness about what you are and letting reality unfold by itself?
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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.
And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Chronic777
Awareness of "I Am"
Registered: 05/08/04
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Its just realizing that the I is the Self and not a personal individual being, so then compassion for all life is effortless.
We do create our realities through our thoughts, but where do our thoughts come from? Thoughts are like the programming of the human species we cling to auspicious thoughts and push away inauspicious thoughts, we identify with the most subtle thought "I Am the body" the real power is our ability to not touch any thought and recognize the silence that is here all the time, which isnt personal.
Thinking is designed for enquiry, enquiry into space & atoms, or direct enquiry into the source/Self, which you are! Real thinkers & seekers of truth enquire within until they discover truth.
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